Skip to comments.Brazil's Teenage Flashmobs Are A Lot More Serious Than They Sound
Posted on 01/20/2014 6:15:46 AM PST by blam
Brazil's Teenage Flashmobs Are A Lot More Serious Than They Sound
Brian Feldman, The Wire
Jan. 20, 2014, 7:43 AM
Over the past week, flashmobs have been occurring all over Brazil as a form of protest, drawing thousands of participants and sometimes turning violent. The rolezhinos"gatherings of predominantly poor, black youths who party in malls usually occupied by mostly wealthy, white consumers"have been so effective in garnering attention that even the country's president is paying attention.
The protests, according to The New York Times, "involve large numbers of dark-skinned teenagers" and cast an eye on public space in Brazil, where parks are a scarcity in urban areas. One Brazilian academic told the Times, Kids from the lower classes have been segregated from public spaces, and now theyre challenging the unwritten rules.
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Security for the Olympics should be fun!
“involve large numbers of dark-skinned teenagers.....sounds racist
At least they aren’t “youths,” like in France.
For decades Brazil has had issues with feral youth of all colors; I remember John Paul II speaking out against police executions of young criminals. Brazil is a huge country with massive resources and potential, but it is almost ungovernable. Brazilian soccer players have bodyguards for their families, who live in compounds, because of the kidnapping for ransom potential. Black Brazilians have long derided the public proclamations that they have achieved a “post-racial” society; too many blacks are still at the bottom of the economic ladder.
Yeah, can you believe the Times said that?
I had always heard that Brazil, although it has a rigid class system, really didn’t have “a color line”. Maybe that was never true.
All of Latin America countries have a similar problem. They were settled by people from countries who had no history of human rights or democracy. The men were there for generations before they brought over their carefully segregated women. In those early generations a lot of “mestizos” were generated making a middle class of people who were descended from the indigenous people but always the color was important - who had the lightest skin etc. I had a long conversation (he speaking what he called Castiliano with me understanding about 10% of it) with my sister in law’s former father in law in Peru. One of the most openly racist people I have ever met. But he so obviously had a lot a Indian in him with a profile like a pre-columbian Inca pot. Short and dark. His wife was tall and light skinned but her ancestors were from northern Italy, not SA. In the settling of North America, our ancestors for the most part brought both their women and their values from northern Europe. I have a couple of native american women ancestors but for the most part they were all European and I’m looking back to the 17th century. This probably sounds racist but that’s was I have observed both living briefly in SA and learning from my SIL who lived there for probably 20 years.
Is it genetic or something ?
The publication’s focus is on “large numbers of dark-skinned teenagers” — apparently a LOT of Nazis made it to Brazil after WWII.
Not saying the author is one, though.
There today, here tomorrow.
MOST of Brasil does not have a color line......because 95% of all Brasileiro’s are mulatto and a mixture of native indian, black and European.
BUT, there is a hard color line in the top levels of business and government, where only Europeans (mostly Portuguese, Italians and Germans) rule - and that like is harder than anywhere in the USA.
I have yet to meet a Brasileiro who knows this (I used to spend a lot of time there all over the country and was fluent enough that they thought I was Brazillian), but there is a reason for most Brazillian’s being mulatto.
The Portuguese enslaved the native indians and killed most of them. They then began importing blacks from Africa as slaves. Brazil imported 5 times as many blacks as America did. And they too were killed by horrible slavery.
The king of Portugal and the Pope were horrified at this, and got together to come up with an idea to stop the killing.
They came up with an incredible idea: to pay a huge amount of money to Europeans in Brasil who would intermarry with the indians and blacks. To a large extent it worked, and the result is nation that is a mulatto people of mixed races...this is why Brazillians are different from all other South American peoples, who are mostly native indian in blood.
I studied the history of Brasil before I went there ......
Does "party" mean "get drunk and play loud music," or does it mean, "assault, steal, and vandalize"?
It’s a wonder the NYT didn’t refer to them as ‘African-American Brazilians’.........................
“protests”? It more sounds nobama-like redistributions.
The World Cup is there this Summer.
But vast areas are impenetrable jungle and/or extremely sparsely populated.
Sounds like you are well informed.
Now... is it Brasil or Brazil ?
The next two Olympics are going to be a hoot. Between the Chechen Muslims (Rebels) and the Brazilian Blacks (Teenagers), we’re going to hear all kinds of Ambiguous media contorting.
I guess Brazil is a single nation measuring success against urban crime in killed and wounded, not arrests and charges.
Police and military are moving tanks&air support to fight street gangs and they are actually losing aircraft over ghettos.
In Sao Paolo wealthy people are travelling by choppers from their homes in gated communities to helipads on skyscrapers they are working in.
Brazil also has a helluva lot of teeangers. The bulk of their population is under 35.
In portuguese it is Brasil, english Brazil
I love it when people ask the ugly questions that get to the heart of the matter.
With improving conditions for the lower classes, the flashmobswhich involved running, shouting, flirting and singingare also an opportunity for the adolescents to show off their nice clothing and other signifiers of affluence.
However, it's a small step from that to assault, vandalism, and theft.
Wait, wasn’t there a movie about that scenario recently?
Portuguese is spelled “Brasil”.
Pronounced more like English “s” ... As in the word “seal”. But with a bit of “z” in it.
English is “Brazil”.
So anybody who notices the demographics of the underclass is a Nazi?
It’s called epigenetics, where behavior triggers certain genes, which then pass those behaviors on to future generations.
Americans spell it Brazil. The natives spell it Brasil. Below is the national seal:
I read about a 'compound' of 30,000 (a little city actually) that is enclosed in walls that are patrolled by a 1,200 member private security force. (they work for and are paid by the residents).
You must have a residence pass or a special type of security pass for service workers.
All non-residents are subject to a complete search on entering and departing.
It is mostly White but not exclusively so....it appears to be a separation by class and economics.
I do not think that other European countries, particularly France or England, had any better notion of human rights when it came their turn to colonize the Americas. In fact, although it had had little practical effect, Charles V of Spain Spain seems to be the only European monarch that seriously debated the issue of whether native americans had any rights that a European was bound to respect. See The Council of Vallodolid.
Epigenetics, a very interesting area of study.
(I think my parents passed on some of their Depression Era trauma to me, lol)
I was briefly in Brazil about 25 years ago. I was a thousand miles up the Amazon River in Manaus.
Then, the stats were 90 % of the population was under 30 yeas of age for the whole country. -Tom
I did not realize Brazil had a large black population. That explains a lot.
I’m beginning to believe that.
Thanks for your replies.
It is interesting how much intermarriage went on in Latin America, much more than here.
I read a very interesting piece a while ago, about the almost unknown plague that severely impacted the Native American population before the white man really started coming here. (The gist of the piece I read was that had that not happened perhaps the whites would not have been able to defeat the indians and settle across the continent.)
Maybe there just weren’t enough people here for that to happen.
I believe there were a number of plagues. My guess is that most haven't any idea how many...
"The epidemic of cocoliztli from1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1).In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague..."
I've read that in North America the (European) diseases preceeded (by decades) the western advance. When the westerners reached certain areas and asked who built such and such...no one knew...so many old people died that any base of historical knowledge died with them. The usual answer was 'the ancient ones.'
Thank you for the info and your comment.
The only reason I brought it up is that you seemed to be INCONSISTENT in the way you spelled it in your original comment.
I guess I was inconsistent as I was going back and forth from the Portuguese spelling to the English spelling. Initially it was to make the point that in Portuguese it is Brasil. Then, without noting the change, I reverted to English spelling.....