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Democrats must decide how far to bend on immigration
The Hill ^ | 1/20/14 | Russell Berman

Posted on 01/20/2014 6:18:08 AM PST by jimbo123

Congressional Democrats and advocates for immigration reform will have to decide how much to bend as they await proposals from House Republicans that are likely to fall far short of what they have demanded.

House GOP leaders plan to release as soon as next week their principles for rewriting the nation’s immigration laws, a document that could be followed by a series of legislative proposals.

The principles are expected to be broad-brush in nature and emphasize border and interior security measures, but they are likely to include a first-ever official House GOP endorsement of legal status for many of the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants, according to people familiar with the deliberations.

Left-leaning advocates say they are encouraged by the move and view it as another critical step in the GOP’s shift on immigration over the last several years.

“We feel like the dynamics in the House are definitely tilting in our favor right now,” said Marshall Fitz, director of immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; chamberofamnesty; chamberofcommerce; gopamnestysummit129; johnboehner; permanentratmajority
Call your GOP rep this week in advance of their Jan. 29th Amnesty Summit in Maryland and tell them to tell Boehner, Rove, Bush and the Chamber of Commerce: NO AMNESTY! NO 3X INCREASE in H1B VISAS!
1 posted on 01/20/2014 6:18:08 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

In the “lyin’ king’s” case, bending over would be until he touches his skinny ankles.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 6:21:36 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: jimbo123

Democrats need to explain to the army of unemployed democrats just WHY they’re bringing in illegals to compete with them for jobs.


3 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:47 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: jimbo123

Who is this writer kidding. The ‘Rats already have 90% of what they wanted from the surrender party.

They’ll double down a few years down the road.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 6:25:14 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: jimbo123

Stop the madness!


5 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:08 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: jimbo123

I expect the Dems to bend like cast iron.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 6:29:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: GOPJ

“Democrats need to explain to the army of unemployed democrats just WHY they’re bringing in illegals to compete with them for jobs.”

That’s not necessary. Democrats don’t need reasons for the Democrats-In-Chief’s actions. They only need instructions on how pronounced their goose-stepping should be in support of the fifth-column illegal alines.

IMHO


7 posted on 01/20/2014 6:31:40 AM PST by ripley
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To: jimbo123

If anything like this passes, Obama will ignore the security measures and expand the amnesty portions of the law.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 6:32:01 AM PST by BinaryBoy (RINOs: Not one dollar, not one vote.)
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To: jimbo123

Interesting that the LA times did this.. Lou Dobbs reported this on CNN and it cost him his job. The only network we would see this on would be FOX.. All the others are staying away from it. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican this should be of great interest to you!

Just One State - be sure and read the last part..

This is only one State.................If this doesn’t open eyes, nothing will!

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .

We are fools for letting this continue .

This is only one State...............If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!


9 posted on 01/20/2014 6:33:27 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: jimbo123; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE; GeronL; Travis McGee; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE: “House GOP leaders plan to release as soon as next week their principles for rewriting the nation’s immigration laws, a document that could be followed by a series of legislative proposals.
The principles are expected to be broad-brush in nature and emphasize border and interior security measures, but they are likely to include a first-ever official House GOP endorsement of legal status for many of the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants, according to people familiar with the deliberations. “

OH-OH,
But I still have yet to hear a single Dem say that they would a support an immigration bill that has no citizenship in it.

We will see what Dems say if the House GOP does this PR conference and it has no citizenship in it.

Getting more Dem voters voting is the Dems golden calf.

10 posted on 01/20/2014 6:41:19 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: jimbo123

RIP GOP.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 6:41:26 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: jimbo123

When they say “democrats”, they are including boenher, mcconnell and the rest of the gop/d? That’s right “/d”. They are dims in reality if not in name. No reason to continue to lie to ourselves... even if they continue to do so.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 6:46:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Don Corleone

Let the 11 million illegals in. Let them live in California, NY and every other blue state.

There still will not be enough votes to sway any elections. California will still be blue. Blue states will still be blue. Businesses will still leave for red states which will create new jobs and new revenue for red states.

If the illegals come to a red state, make sure they are not welcome. No benefits and if caught are driven to the nearest blue state and dropped at the border.

Create a new business association, the CAL, commerce league of America. I am sure Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A would want to be charter members. Do the same as the opponents of the AARP did for seniors.

What this will do is hasten the Detroitification every blue city in America. We are going there anyway. Might as well speed up the process.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 6:47:24 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: jimbo123

Even though I have done this.. It will do no good.

They know we don’t want it.

They know big business does.

We don’t matter.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 6:47:45 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: GOPJ

Democrats have to “bend”?

I have not seen the least bit of flexibility on their part since the halcyon days of Ted Kennedy’s “reforms” in 1965, as a part of the program that was included in Elbie Jay’s Great Society. It has always been “their way or the highway”, as they failed to even enforce the law as it was written back then.

A later tweak of the provisions of that law allowed greater numbers of “refugees” to enter, under the ever watchful gaze of Jimmy Carter, at which time, the illegal immigration began to explode.

When numbers of illegal immigrants crept up to some 2.7 million in 1985, Ronald Reagan signed a bill that granted them amnesty, in exchange for a much more strict limit on actual immigrations. Well, guess what, this was a HUGE incentive to break the law even more frequently, as “the Americans won’t care”, and there would be no prosecution.

We have dumb and dumber on immigration “reform”.

Build the cuffing fence.


15 posted on 01/20/2014 6:55:00 AM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: ripley
You're probably right.

WE should go talk to on-the-street Democrats and ask them how they feel... Maybe they don't want 20 million new people to compete with for the few jobs available.

16 posted on 01/20/2014 6:56:04 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: jimbo123

Congressional Democrats and advocates for immigration reform will have to decide how much to bend as they await proposals from House Republicans that are likely to fall far short of what they have demanded.


Replace the third person with first person and this sentence looks like it was written by Harry Reid.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 6:56:42 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Bring back American jobs.

American jobs.

Bring back jobs, to America.


18 posted on 01/20/2014 6:56:54 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: jimbo123
What part of massive unemployment don't these jokers understand? Are they being paid to advocate for the American people or for the Mexican people?

Never mind deporting the illegals, perhaps we should deport congress. It seems they are far more dangerous for this country.

19 posted on 01/20/2014 6:57:43 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

It’s not just Mexicans. The Chamber of Amnesty also need more H1B Visa slave labor imported from India.


20 posted on 01/20/2014 7:01:13 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: alloysteel
We saw how willing they were to bend back in 2007 when John Cornyn, not exactly a conservative stalwart U.S. Senator, proposed an amendment to exclude any gang members and convicted felons from any amnesty. Every Democrat and several RINOs voted it down.

Their slogan "You Can't Deport Everybody" really means that "You Can't Deport Anybody."

21 posted on 01/20/2014 7:02:33 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jimbo123

“It’s not just Mexicans. The Chamber of Amnesty also need more H1B Visa slave labor imported from India.”

Red China as well; they’re everywhere.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 7:03:57 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: GOPJ
Democrats need to explain to the army of unemployed democrats just WHY they’re bringing in illegals to compete with them for jobs.

No they don't. No one will ask them to.

23 posted on 01/20/2014 7:06:29 AM PST by skeeter
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To: jimbo123

The Uniparty wants it, the Chamber of Horrors wants it, the MSM wants it. It will be hard to stop.


24 posted on 01/20/2014 7:07:19 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Chamber of Horrors

So true.
25 posted on 01/20/2014 7:10:31 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123; All

Here’s the problem .. as soon as the repubs agree to an immigration plan, the dems will find some way to alter it.

After all, we know why the dems want the immigration plan to go through - DEMOCRAT VOTERS.

Sooooo .. suppose everybody agrees on a plan to legalize all these immigrants .. but not give them citizenship .. how many dems will begin caterwauling the very next day .. IT’S NOT FAIR !!

Why will they do that ..?? SO OBAMA CAN TAKE HIS PEN AND MAKE THEM ALL CITIZENS WHO ARE ABLE TO VOTE.

Anybody who believes that any of these immigrants are going to be massive REPUB VOTERS .. is living in LA LA LAND.

Remember when Bush got elected the 2nd time ..?? Remember what the difference was in the vote from 2000 ..?? It was over 4 MILLION PEOPLE. When the dems saw that number; they knew they would not be able to win elections if all the repubs voted .. SOOOOOOOO THE ONLY SOLUTION IS AMNESTY ..!!


26 posted on 01/20/2014 7:12:07 AM PST by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: sickoflibs
OH-OH,

Aren't you the guy who keeps saying nothing will happen and that immigration reform is dead in this session of Congress? I have been trying to warn you.

But I still have yet to hear a single Dem say that they would a support an immigration bill that has no citizenship in it.

Au contraire, For Obama, Congress, a last grasp at immigration"

"But some advocates of reform are beginning to rally around an idea to grant immigrants legal status in the U.S. and leave the question of citizenship out of the legislation. In other words, they can work, but not vote.

"I don't think this is a good idea because citizenship is important, but I don't think it is a big deal breaker either," Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., a leading congressional advocate for overhauling U.S. immigration law, said in a speech last month. "Right now we have to stop the deportations that are breaking up families. And if we do not get citizenship this year, we will be back next year and the year after that."

"If successful, an immigration compromise could restore some luster to Obama's agenda, tarnished in 2013 by failures on gun legislation, bipartisan pushback on his efforts to take military action against Syria and the disastrous enrollment start for his health care law."

We will see what Dems say if the House GOP does this PR conference and it has no citizenship in it.

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.

And once they are legalized, the Dems will use the need for citizenship as a weapon against the Reps. The Dems get legalization and they still have the issue to use as a club against the GOP.

The legal immigration system brings in hundreds of thousands of future Dem voters every year. With 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually, we essentially have an amnesty every ten years in terms of Dem voters. Amnesty with citizenship just hastens the process.

27 posted on 01/20/2014 7:22:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
RE “OH-OH,
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Aren't you the guy who keeps saying nothing will happen and that immigration reform is dead in this session of Congress? I have been trying to warn you. “

Hey dude, I am pinging you on these amnesty updates so we can follow them together, You got me quote that I been looking for, do you have a link to it???

I think the GOP doing this now is bad idea. Obama already has his deferred thing.

28 posted on 01/20/2014 7:29:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs
I gave you the link in post #27 that quotes Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill) who is the leading Dem in the House on immigration reform.

I think the GOP doing this now is bad idea. Obama already has his deferred thing.

The fix is in. The Reps are going to make a deal to legalize the status of the lawbreakers in exchange for a doubling of the guest worker program, something the GOP's corporate paymasters want desperately. Once legalization occurs, the game is over.

What many don't seem to realize is that even without citizenship, the Dems are well on their way to becoming the permanent majority party due in large part to legal immigration. The status quo on immigration is a loser for the GOP, which should be calling for reduced legal immigration numbers to protect American workers. The GOP would rather do the bidding of the corporate elite than support an immigration policy that serves our national interests.

The GOP should impeach Obama over his "deferred thing," which is unconstitutional and exceeds his authority. Obama has legalized the status of over 500,000 Dreamers and issued them work permits. The numbers are still increasing and could approach nearly 2 million. Reps like Goodlatte are talking about legalizing the status of the parents using existing laws. Then we are near 6 million with legalized status.

29 posted on 01/20/2014 7:45:05 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
RE :”The fix is in. The Reps are going to make a deal to legalize the status of the lawbreakers in exchange for a doubling of the guest worker program, something the GOP’s corporate paymasters want desperately. Once legalization occurs, the game is over. “

This is just hypothetical but what if the GOP put up a bill that just makes law Obama’s deferred program?

They have to register for short term legalization but they never get permanent legalization or citizenship. That would put the Dems in a tough situation and it wouldn't change anything.

I saw a post that says that few are even signing up for that because its a risk.

RE :"The GOP should impeach Obama over his "deferred thing,"

Not a chance that will happen. In fact it was interesting that when Cruz was asked about impeachment he replied :"The GOP doent have enough votes in the Senate for that"

30 posted on 01/20/2014 7:57:39 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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31 posted on 01/20/2014 8:12:01 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Bring back American jobs. American jobs. Bring back jobs, to America.

Yes sir! Where do I start?

32 posted on 01/20/2014 8:12:54 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jimbo123; rktman; GOPJ; BenLurkin; WashingtonSource; ClearCase_guy; ripley; BinaryBoy; ...
We can both stop the amnesty push and go on the offensive:
How to Stop the ‘Immigration’ Bill via States

(The problem is we need a governor with some balls.)

33 posted on 01/20/2014 8:58:41 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jimbo123

In November, contrary to conventional wisdom, the Republicans will have a stunning defeat.

And when it’s all over, you can trace it back to the Republican House elites, Boehner, Cantor, and Goodlatte, endorsing amnesty for illegals.

The American people no longer have anyone representing them in Washington - certainly not the Democrats, but also the Republican establishment which looks upon Americans with condescension and conservatives with contempt.

Pandering will get them a handful of Hispanic votes, and cause millions of conservatives to stay home.


34 posted on 01/20/2014 9:20:44 AM PST by oldbill
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To: OneWingedShark

(The problem is we need a governor with some balls.)


we need more than one.


35 posted on 01/20/2014 5:06:00 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: GOPJ

WE should go talk to on-the-street Democrats and ask them how they feel... Maybe they don’t want 20 million new people to compete with for the few jobs available.


The bulk of them likely get a check from Obama and don’t care to hold a job.


36 posted on 01/20/2014 5:07:10 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: oldbill

In November, contrary to conventional wisdom, the Republicans will have a stunning defeat.


Conventional wisdom around here (FR) says they will loose.


37 posted on 01/20/2014 5:09:48 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: cableguymn
we need more than one.

True; but I think we'd only need one to "get the ball rolling" for others to polarize to one side or the other.

38 posted on 01/20/2014 5:10:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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