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The insanity of Baltimore's 'disrespect' killings
Baltimore Sun ^ | 1/19/2014

Posted on 01/20/2014 7:32:45 AM PST by Altura Ct.

Two years after someone fired 18 bullets into his body, we finally know the reason Gregory McFadden died such a brutal death at the age of 27 in West Baltimore. He turned his back on a guy.

It was disrespect, a malady that inflames the male ego and makes young men do terrible things. Disrespect has been around for centuries, of course, but its consequences have been particularly lethal in the age of the high-powered handgun. Killing someone because he disrespected you is a phenomenon that no amount of police power or community vigilance can seem to stop.

Some interventions — Safe Streets in the Leon Faruq days — have been effective when beefs between young men became known. But what do you do to stop a killing like McFadden's?

All of the following facts come from testimony in a murder trial last week in Baltimore Circuit Court. The shooting occurred on Tuesday night, Nov. 15, 2011, in Harlem Park.

McFadden was part of a group of young men on the street at 11 p.m. in the 700 block of N. Carrollton Ave., near a beautiful old stone church.

Maybe it's not a good idea to be on Carrollton Avenue at that hour, but until we declare martial law, a citizen is allowed to visit with friends on the sidewalk. That's what McFadden was doing.

The problem developed when a couple of guys approached him on the sidewalk.

McFadden had flirted with the girlfriend a couple of weeks earlier, and now Baker wanted to have a word with him about that on Carrollton Avenue.

McFadden declined the opportunity for conversation and turned his back.

Baker took offense. So did Moore.

They felt they had been disrespected.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; gregorymcfadden; maryland; westbaltimore
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1 posted on 01/20/2014 7:32:45 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

I don’t believe this is a new thing; it’s been around for a long time, and in many other cultures. In the hispanic community it’s called machismo.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 7:34:48 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Altura Ct.

I hear this utter garbage in my office weekly

“She doesn’t respect my role as father”

She disrespected me

I don’t have a clue what it even means except that he didn’t get his way


3 posted on 01/20/2014 7:38:16 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: COBOL2Java

4 posted on 01/20/2014 7:38:55 AM PST by Tax-chick (I don't want to set the world on fire.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Only took them 4 sentences to blame it on the Evil Gun.

They mentioned “1000s of years”... I am sure the Evil Gun is far worse than the beheadings aand burning at the stake and the lion pits that some experienced in the “1000s of years”. (rolleyes)

Blame it on the gun.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 7:44:04 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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6 posted on 01/20/2014 7:45:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Altura Ct.

In the United States, this is almost exclusively an ethnic thing. For instance, it is found most often in the black and hispanic communities. I’m going on 63, and I’ve lived in quite a few places over my years, and I have never seen “disrespect” play such a key role among whites. Just saying.


7 posted on 01/20/2014 7:46:29 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: yldstrk

I am guessing this man you speak of has testicles? Or have they been lost to his whiney emasculation?


8 posted on 01/20/2014 7:46:55 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: Altura Ct.

” until we declare martial law . . . “

The left continues to tell us their intentions.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 7:47:47 AM PST by CheneyClone
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To: Altura Ct.

They’re just expressing their african tribal roots and traditions. Tribal animals and nothing more. Africa has been a tribalized crap hole forever; central and south american tribes as well. When you still maintain a stone age tribal/clan mentality this is what you get. Repatriate them all to africa and see if they can survive as real africans. Most won’t.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 7:51:48 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: CheneyClone

The choice of the word “until”, instead of “unless”, is unsettling.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 7:53:20 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: ought-six
I’m going on 63, and I’ve lived in quite a few places over my years, and I have never seen “disrespect” play such a key role among whites. Just saying.

It seems like blacks generally have incredibly fragile egos. At least the street thug variety.

12 posted on 01/20/2014 7:54:48 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Altura Ct.

Interesting that this writer is saying that this disrespect idea is common among young men, but he’s not willing to discuss the racial angle of this cconcept. The concept of disrespect is a part of ghetto culture.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 7:58:40 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (Interesting)
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To: Altura Ct.

“It was disrespect, a malady that inflames the male ego and makes young men do terrible things. Disrespect has been around for centuries, of course, but its consequences have been particularly lethal in the age of the high-powered handgun.”

Would they have felt better if the victim had been stabbed rather than shot 19 times. Sheesh! Did the guy ever read Shakespeare about how the Montagues & Capulets would go at it in the streets with rapiers?


14 posted on 01/20/2014 7:59:50 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Future Snake Eater

Can’t say I’ve really seen the age of the “high-powered handgun” present itself either.


15 posted on 01/20/2014 7:59:56 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: envisio

Seriously a “high-powered handgun.”? Where can I get me one of those death-ray handguns that could take down a satellite if your not careful?


16 posted on 01/20/2014 8:01:18 AM PST by Patriot95
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To: COBOL2Java

What did machismo ever do to deserve being compared with this kind of base slavery to egotism?

There was some kind of respect for family and society tied up with machismo. It knew chivalry. This... it makes even macho look virtuous.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 8:02:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And worrying inordinately about being dissed is ultimately a love starvation problem. It’s viewed not as “what ever is wrong with him?” but “what ever is wrong with me?” And the answer supplied by Satan is... “you didn’t express your dominance well enough, so take care of it by killing him.”

The gospel is the answer. Not saying it’s trivial to sell, but who has a better choice than carpet bombing the regions? Missionaries are needed. To the inner cities.


18 posted on 01/20/2014 8:06:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Disrespect has been around for centuries, of course, but its consequences have been particularly lethal in the age of the high-powered handgun.

Age of the high-powered handgun? WTF? Talk about ignorance on display and total credibility killer. Which high-powered handgun would they be referring too? 9mm, .38, .357 mag, .44 mag, .40, .45ACP, .22, .22L, .380, .32..... Which ones are new in this "age"?

In the "olden" days of which I assume the author is thinking, back when there was no gun violence (or maybe in the wild west where cowboys squared off in the dirt streets on a daily basis at high noon), there were guns that were just as lethal as today.

(I know there were not duels in the "wild west" except on very rare occasions.)

19 posted on 01/20/2014 8:07:54 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: Altura Ct.
“high-powered handgun"? I guess I don't understand the term, “high-powered handgun”
Handguns can shoot a fast and/or big round. Is the writer referring to something like a Walker Colt? A pretty “high-powered handgun”, since it fired a big round with a large powder charge but was relatively slow moving. Or is he talking about high speed ammunition like the .22LR? A small round that is pretty darned fast with a supersonic plus speed. Supersonic being over 1100 or so feet per second. Or maybe he is referring to something like a .40 S&W which can shoot a large bullet at supersonic plus speeds.
So, does a gun have to be big or fast or big&fast to be considered a “high-powered handgun”? maybe "high-powered handgun" is similar to Bill O'Rielly's "Heavy Rifles".
20 posted on 01/20/2014 8:09:19 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Altura Ct.

“...the high-powered handgun...”

Is there a low-powered handgun that is less lethal?

Sensationalism by journalism.


21 posted on 01/20/2014 8:12:40 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: rightwingcrazy

LMAO!


22 posted on 01/20/2014 8:14:40 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: ought-six
In the United States, this is almost exclusively an ethnic thing. For instance, it is found most often in the black and hispanic communities. I’m going on 63, and I’ve lived in quite a few places over my years, and I have never seen “disrespect” play such a key role among whites. Just saying.

It's gotten worse since we stopped executing murderers within 3 years of conviction, and a revolution in combat medicine (mainly from the Vietnam War) significantly improved the odds of shooting victim survival in emergency rooms. Aggravated assaults per capita have almost tripled, but homicides per capita have remained flattish since 1960.

23 posted on 01/20/2014 8:16:17 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Altura Ct.

BS......... disrespect was not involved, it had to do with sex and genetics.

In the jungle, males fight over the right to reproduce.

The urban black community is as near the primevil condition as any place on earth


24 posted on 01/20/2014 8:17:34 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: COBOL2Java

Self worth from the outside in. Very codependent. Some people get their sense of worth and value from within themselves, some don’t. Those who don’t get it from within themselves (and connection with Christ) will have to get it from others. Withholding it from them drives them frantic.

Institutionalized narcissism.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 8:21:35 AM PST by CPO retired
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To: Zhang Fei

Executed or no, someone in prison can’t get involved in dissing incidents on the street. As for lack of survivors, ever hear of family feuds?

You do have a helpful note in your tag. Faith in God needs to be found by every generation. The previous generation can not just bequeath it to them willy nilly, though it can try to teach and preach it. Anyhow, the difference between these losers of life living like this and being saved could be only a missionary and a decision away.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 8:22:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Altura Ct.
The black urban culture is just Lord of the Flies writ large in macrocosm.
27 posted on 01/20/2014 8:25:11 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: CPO retired

“Codependency” is a hazy term as used today. Precisely, it has to do with the maladaptive behaviors expressed by the close associates to someone who is hooked on a destructive habit. It is one of the patterns in which sin expresses itself. We must be careful not to be either extremely liberal about it (where everyone is seen as victim of society) or extremely conservative about it (where everyone is held responsible, without being told patiently of the grace of God, to pull himself up by his own bootstraps).


28 posted on 01/20/2014 8:25:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: muir_redwoods
The black urban culture is just Lord of the Flies writ large in macrocosm.

It ain't all culture. Apartheid-era South Africa had 1/20 its current murder rate. They used to hang murderers within a few years of conviction. They don't execute murderers any more.

29 posted on 01/20/2014 8:29:18 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett
Can’t say I’ve really seen the age of the “high-powered handgun” present itself either.

I guess it came after the age of the "low-powered handgun."

30 posted on 01/20/2014 8:29:50 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Altura Ct.

This epidemic of insane violence is what happens when two sets of gonads produce a product outside a stable core family group. It will never improve until we go back to the idea that children belong in a loving family with a father and mother who instill discipline, respect of the proper kind and morality grounded in traditional Judaeo-Christian values.

In no way is this an excuse for the perpetrators. They deserve to be locked up forever as the primal animals they have become. But the end product can be laid at the doorsteps of its creators.


31 posted on 01/20/2014 8:32:33 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: ought-six

Well, it used to be a big thing in the Southern white community. One reason we made a big thing about being polite was that people did take offense easily. Glen Campbell told a story about making a movie (True Grit?) about objecting to a line in his script which had his character speaking disrespectfully to another character, who then just argued back. Where I come from, Campbell said. this other character would have just punched me in the face. “Fighting Words”.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 8:33:22 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Well, we used to use six-shooters! :)


33 posted on 01/20/2014 8:35:30 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Altura Ct.

Maryland!


34 posted on 01/20/2014 8:38:13 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Altura Ct.
feh...
35 posted on 01/20/2014 8:38:14 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Patriot95

I am constantly amused over the uproar about “high-powered” guns. If I sit and think about cases of people I have actually known or known of who were killed with a gun it was in many cases a little .22 rimfire “squirrel gun”. It really comes down more to where the bullet strikes rather than the actual size or speed of the projectile. In fact if you are hit in a certain way you may be better off to be shot with a .45 than with a .22. A strike in the outer part of the rib cage, for instance, may mean a couple of broken ribs with a .45 but a survivable wound because it passes right on through while a .22 in the same spot may enter the rib cage and travel around inside the vital organs causing a quick death because it lacks the power to break through and exit the ribs.

On the other hand if you are shot in the head by a professional hit man you are maybe 99% certain to die regardless of the caliber but the case of Phineas Gage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage proves that a person may survive being shot through the head with a 1 1/4 inch diameter steel projectile weighing 13 pounds and longer than his arm.

All the commotion about bigger and more powerful handguns remind me of the way some people think you need a monster engine in a pickup truck to pull a trailer. Having hauled a lot of loads with a relatively underpowered engine I found that my biggest worry was how to stop the load that my medium sized engine would pull, I don’t think I ever wished for a stronger engine, just better brakes. An antique pickup with an eighty horsepower, six cylinder engine will pull a considerable load faster than it is safe to travel. Heaven forbid that some inexperienced driver should be given a 400 horsepower pickup truck to drive pulling a heavy load.


36 posted on 01/20/2014 8:53:18 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
“I have never seen “disrespect” play such a key role among whites. Just saying.”

“Disrespect” is just another way of saying “I'm a violent thug and I'm going to f*** up anyone I want anytime I want.”

No intelligent or responsible people act like that. It is part of a mentality that is unfortunately becoming much more common among young people.

37 posted on 01/20/2014 9:07:35 AM PST by detective
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To: ought-six
In the United States, this is almost exclusively an ethnic thing.

What about the white ex-cop who shot a white veteran in a movie theater last week over a disagreement because the guy was texting his babysitter?

38 posted on 01/20/2014 9:15:16 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: Altura Ct.

The author, Dan Rodricks, has promoted every liberal policy over the course of his journalistic career and now he finds himself perplexed at the effects of those policies?


39 posted on 01/20/2014 9:23:05 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: RJS1950
They’re just expressing their african tribal roots and traditions. Tribal animals and nothing more.

According to Dr. Thomas Sowell, it does not have its roots in Africa, but in the white 'red-neck' culture of the old American south.

40 posted on 01/20/2014 9:51:02 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Altura Ct.

This culture believes they are deserving of respect because they can choose life or death. So they are due the respect of a ruler.Those they prey upon can choose to do the same thing.


41 posted on 01/20/2014 10:08:54 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: SgtHooper
LOL.

The leftist Presstitutes are always trying to use scare tactic words about guns.

I suspect that if someone got shot 18 times with a "low powered" handgun (whatever that is in this Prestitute's mind), they would still be dead.

Beating them over the head 18 times with an empty "low powered" handgun would also probably have the same end result.

42 posted on 01/20/2014 10:27:16 AM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Tenacious 1

475 Linebaugh or S&W 500 Magnum. The Magnum Research BFR in 45-70 is satisfactory too. Honorable mention to S&W 460 Magnum. The rest are CCW items.


43 posted on 01/20/2014 11:05:54 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Tenacious 1
600 Nitro TC Encore
44 posted on 01/20/2014 11:14:15 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: ought-six

Yep. It is a savage thing.


45 posted on 01/20/2014 11:31:54 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: SgtHooper; Dr. Pritchett; Future Snake Eater
Is there a low-powered handgun that is less lethal?

This here wind-up model is all 'bang-bang' and no 'you're-dead'.


46 posted on 01/20/2014 11:55:37 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Ditto

On this one, Sowell is wrong.


47 posted on 01/20/2014 11:58:08 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950
"On this one, Sowell is wrong."

I think he's 100% right.

48 posted on 01/20/2014 12:26:10 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Your opinion, you’re welcome to it.


49 posted on 01/20/2014 12:47:39 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Albion Wilde

“What about the white ex-cop who shot a white veteran in a movie theater last week over a disagreement because the guy was texting his babysitter?”

He shot the guy because the guy threw a box of popcorn at him (and I in NO WAY see that as a legitimate reason for him to shoot the guy). But I don’t see that as the popcorn guy “disrespecting” him.


50 posted on 01/20/2014 6:15:29 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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