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Martin Luther King Jr. biopic dropped by Oliver Stone after script with adultery rejected
Post-Standard, Syracuse, NY ^ | January 20, 2014 at 7:14 AM | By Geoff Herbert

Posted on 01/20/2014 8:01:16 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Revolting cat!; GeronL
Will it depict St. JFK and St. RFK listening in on wiretaps of their lost brother St. MLK?


51 posted on 01/20/2014 2:06:43 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: ladyjane; Revolting cat!

They also sued the record companies that put out memorial albums of MLK’s inspiring speeches.

There were plenty of such albums in the wake of the JFK assassination and even the moon landing as well.


52 posted on 01/20/2014 2:08:15 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: RobbyS

It amazes me how much people don’t know.

Ralph Abernathy (MLK’s right hand man) wrote in his autobiography that Dr. King was less than a saint.

Author Taylor Branch delved into as best he can, the FBI records on surveillance are locked up until 2027.

Branch got FBI techinicians to tell him what they heard on the audio tapes.

And what the FBI found out about the adultery got all the way to the top in 1963. Jackie Kennedy was audio interviewed after her husband’s death callin MLK a “phony” and saying he was arranging for “orgies” before the March on Washington in the summer of 63.

Dr. King was human and he made mistakes just like JFK and ultimately just like myself.
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The story of his private life was being whispered around Washington courtesy of the FBI some 50 years ago this month.

The Kennedy Administration authorized the FBI spying and it continued into the Johnson Administration. CNN did a documentary a few years ago reporting on the tape that the FBI sent to MLK in 1964 that Mrs. King listened to of one of the adulterous encounters.

I THINK KING WAS SPIED ON BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WANTED TO KEEP HIM IN LINE FOR THE 1964 ELECTION. A SUSPENSION OF CIVIL RIGHTS PROTESTS WAS ANNOUNCED IN JULY 1964 TO HELP LBJ’S ELECTION.


53 posted on 01/20/2014 2:10:08 PM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
"The script dealt w/ issues of adultery, conflicts within the movement, and King's spiritual transformation into a higher, more radical being," Stone continued. "I'm told the estate & the 'respectable' black community that guard King's reputation won't approve it. They suffocate the man & the truth. I wish you could see the film I would've made. I fear if 'they' ever make it, it'll be just another commemoration of the March on Washington. Martin, I grieve for you. You are still a great inspiration for your fellow Americans--but, thank God, not a saint."
Obviously he's just another white-wing wacist! Thanks Behind Liberal Lines.
54 posted on 01/20/2014 2:20:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Nextrush

JFK and his administration tried to half the 1963 march on Washington. They also nixed plans to take the march to the White House.


55 posted on 01/20/2014 2:33:06 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: a fool in paradise

halt not half


56 posted on 01/20/2014 2:33:27 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

They decided to publish the legend, not surprising.


57 posted on 01/20/2014 2:40:04 PM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: newgeezer

Some black guy on ABC’s sunday morning rag said “Dr. Martin Luther is the finest man this country has ever produced”. BAHHHHHH


58 posted on 01/20/2014 2:47:13 PM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

the truth hurts

but on another note: Happy Robert E Lee Birthday everybody!


59 posted on 01/20/2014 3:30:23 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Well said. That is how I feel.


60 posted on 01/20/2014 3:35:20 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Nextrush

King should have had his own spies out to check on LBJ. Lyndon had more women than a sultan, and this was not covered up very well. All he had to do was talk to some Texas Observer reporters to get the dirt he needed.


61 posted on 01/20/2014 3:44:42 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: DungeonMaster

Well, he was a great man, but great men are often not good men. But even holy men attract women, as a magnet does iron filing.


62 posted on 01/20/2014 3:49:40 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: SisterK

My second favorite Civil War general. My favorite is George Thomas, of whom Lee was fond. If he had gone South, lordy! Thomas never lost a battle. His victory at Nashville, with a thrown together force, was a masterpiece, and with almost no casualties, he broke Hood’s army.


63 posted on 01/20/2014 3:55:45 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Not even committed leftist Oliver Stone can get a script green lit that depicts MLK as anything but a saint.

Oliver just doesn't get it!

Well, here's a clue-by-four, Ollie ..... check out that statue of MLK on the National Mall. It's institutional Communist "ort" (that's what we call public eye-aborting decorations in Texas), the kind only North Koreans and Chicoms and hidebound Stalinists love.

And the sculptor was a dyed-in-the-wool Chicom.

MLK wasn't a Communist, but that won't stop American Communists from stealing him!

Get it now, Ollie?

64 posted on 01/20/2014 4:15:51 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Oliver Stone is a crackpot. He is an avant-garde agitator for the comintern. Therefore I dismiss anything he says, right or wrong, because he has no credibility.


65 posted on 01/20/2014 4:19:58 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: Vigilanteman

My, my... thank you, Vigilanteman. ! I had forgotten about those files. I guess everyone is “making hay” while they still can. :-)


66 posted on 01/20/2014 4:23:08 PM PST by floralamiss ("If anything, the new taboo is decency." --Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Not even committed leftist Oliver Stone can get a script green lit that depicts MLK as anything but a saint.

That's probably a good thing. MLK may well not have been a "saint", but his good works don't need the Hollywood pervert treatment, either. Good on his family.

67 posted on 01/20/2014 4:31:06 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I would suggest to Mr. Stone that he try writing a
script dealing with the questions of Obama’s record
and see what happens to him...


68 posted on 01/20/2014 4:52:37 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I can think of 50 Americans who are more deserving of a national Federal holiday than Martin Luther King. One would be Dwight D Eisenhower for winning WW2 and Henry Ford, the innovator of mass production.


69 posted on 01/20/2014 5:08:47 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: RobbyS

I haven’t delved into it too deeply.

LBJ liked to impress people and show off. He courted the media including calling them in for late night drinks including the female members of the media at the time.


70 posted on 01/20/2014 6:13:37 PM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: DJ Taylor

Oh, you betcha it would!! Now, someone call Glen Beck and tell him he’s on the left of Oliver Stone!


71 posted on 01/20/2014 6:58:10 PM PST by Segovia
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The real Black Democrat is portrayed best as #25 on Seattle SeaHawks


72 posted on 01/20/2014 7:16:19 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

MLK claimed to be working for liberty. and notwithstanding the egregious racial bigotry of his time, he should have completely rejected the murderous tyranny of Marxism and communism as an unacceptable palliative in ANY context.
I wish to make it clear that I think that Martin Luther King was a man of enormous courage, charisma, and intellect that profoundly altered the course of American history and made it a better country in so far has its promise of justice for all is concerned.

This does not mean however that his legacy to the Civil Rights movement has been one of unalloyed good. I believe much of his bequeathment resulted in an over reliance on big government statist solutions to problems within the black community that require individual initiatives to correct. Martin Luther King’s frequent references to this nation’s founding documents are well known. His reflections on Communism are much less well known and undoubtedly contributed to his general philosophy. We owe it to ourselves to examine the effects of this legacy and contextualize it so has to solve the problems facing the black community today.

While King himself was not a communist, he did business with communists and was influenced by them. This delicate subject, made more so given the martyrdom and subsequent lionization of King, should nevertheless be broached as a means of providing insight into some of the darker forces that worked their way into what was essentially a pro American, conservative, Christian civil rights movement.
King surrounded himself with communists from the beginning of his career. His closest advisor Stanley Levison was a Communist. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, formed in 1957 and led by King, had Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth as Vice President who was at the same time president of the Southern Conference Education Fund, an identified communist front according to the Legislative Committee on un-American Activities, Louisiana (Report April 13, 1964 pp. 31-38). The field director of SCEF was Carl Braden, a known communist agitator who was also involved in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which counted Lee Harvey Oswald, the communist assassin of President Kennedy as a member. King maintained regular correspondence with Carl Braden. Bayard Rustin, a known communist, was also on the board of SCLC.
Dr. King addressed the Highlander Folk School in Monteagle, Tenn., 1957, previously known as the Commonwealth College until the House Committee on un-American Activities sited it as a communist front (April 27, 1949). HCAA found that Commonwealth was using religion as a way to infiltrate the African-American community by, among other techniques, comparing New Testament texts to those of Karl Marx. King knew many communists associated with the Highlander school.
King hired communist official Hunter Pitts O’Dell, 1960, at the SCLC. The St. Louis Globe Democrat reported (Oct. 26, 1962) “A Communist has infiltrated the top administrative post in the Rev. Martin Luther King’s SCLC. He is Jack H. O’Dell, acting executive director of conference activities in the southeastern states including Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana.” Dr. King fired O’Dell when this became public but subsequently rehired him to head the SCLC New York office.

King himself expresses a Marxist outlook in his book “Stride Toward Freedom” when he stated, “in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis, Marx had raised some basic questions. I was deeply concerned from my early teen days about the gulf between superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and my reading of Marx made me even more conscious of this gulf. Although modern American capitalism has greatly reduced the gap through social reforms, there was still need for a better distribution of wealth. Moreover, Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system”

King, unfortunately, didn’t understand that it was Capitalism and freedom that was responsible for the successes the African-American community already had achieved in his day and the key to future success. By “better distribution of wealth” King meant state control over the economy. His contempt for “the profit motive” was unfortunate given that African-Americans should’ve been encouraged by their leaders to seek fair profit to the best of their ability. King’s leftist ideas contributed to an opening of the floodgates to such radicals as Stokley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, as well as the burning and looting of African-American neighborhoods, the institutionalizing of poverty perpetrating welfare, the destruction of the family, drugs, violence, racism, and crime.

In “Stride Toward Freedom” Dr. King states “In short, I read Marx as I read all of the influential historical thinkers from a dialectical point of view, combining a partial yea and a partial no. My readings of Marx convinced me that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth. Historically capitalism failed to see truth in collective enterprise and Marxism failed to see the truth in individual enterprise. The Kingdom of God is neither the thesis of individual enterprise nor the antithesis of collective enterprise, but a synthesis which reconciles the truths of both.”

King, like Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, had “a dialectical point of view.” The goal of the dialectic is authoritarianism. A nation, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, cannot be half free and half slave. By advocating socialism, King chose an imperious stand toward his own people in contrast to a stand for genuine freedom, self-rule, self-sufficiency, private ownership, and the accumulation of capital. King did not advocate the American system of free market capitalism. Instead, he stood for a system that has stunted the growth of African-Americans as well as the rest of us.

All Marxists believe in Hegelian Dialectics. This is a belief that “progress” is achieved through conflict between opposing viewpoints. Any ideological assertion (thesis) will create its own opposite (antithesis). Progress is achieved when a conclusion (synthesis) is reached which espouses aspects of both the thesis and antithesis.
For example, Hitler had a dialectical point of view. He rejected Marxist class warfare, but embraced the basic socialist idea of the insignificance of the individual compared to the collective state.

This belief in dialectical progress is why liberals and “progressives” pit the rich against the poor, old against young, black against white, men against women, homosexuals against straight, ad nauseam.

This issue is somewhat clouded by what Dr. King wrote in his 1957 book “Stride toward Freedom: the Montgomery story”, in which he wrote the following devastating critique of the sort of communism practiced in the Communist super state of the Union of Soviet Socialist republics.
“During the Christmas holidays of 1949 I decided to spend my spare time reading Karl Marx to try to understand the appeal of communism for many people. For the first time I carefully scrutinized *Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto. I also read some interpretive works on the thinking of Marx and Lenin. In reading such Communist writings I drew certain conclusions that have remained with me as convictions to this day.
First, I rejected their materialistic interpretation of history. Communism, avowedly secularist and materialistic, has no place for God. This I could never accept, for as a Christian, I believe that there is a creative personal power in the universe who is the ground and essence of all reality-a power that cannot be explained in materialistic terms. History is ultimately guided by spirit, not matter.
Second, I strongly disagreed with communism’s ethical relativism. Since for the Communist there is no divine government, no absolute moral order, there are no fixed, immutable principles; consequently almost anything-force, violence murder, lying-is a justifiable means to the ‘millennial’ end. This type of relativism was abhorrent to me. Constructive ends can never give absolute moral justification to destructive means, because in the final analysis the end is pre-existent in the means.
Third, I opposed communism’s political totalitarianism. In communism, the individual ends up in subjection to the state. True, the Marxists would argue that the state is an ‘interim’ reality which is to be eliminated when the classless society emerges; but the state is the end while it lasts, and man is only a means to that end. And if man’s so-called rights and liberties stand in the way of that end, they are simply swept aside. His liberties of expression, his freedom to vote, and his freedom to listen to what news he likes or to choose his books are all restricted. Man becomes hardly more, in communism, than a depersonalized cog in the turning wheel of the state.
This deprecation of individual freedom was objectionable to me. I am convinced now, as I was then, that man is an end because he is a child of God. Man is not made for the state; the state is made for man. To deprive man of freedom is to relegate him to the status of a thing, rather than elevate him to the status of a person. Man must never be treated as means to the end of the state; but always as an end within himself.”
Martin Luther King Jr., *Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story* (New York: Harper and Row, 1957), 92-93

Don’t forget that the above was written in 1957, a period in which the oppressions of the Soviet Union are painfully evident, evidenced by the brutal repression of the Hungarian uprising in 1956. At the time Stride toward Freedom was written, domestic attitudes toward communism could not have been more hostile. Toward the end of Dr. Martin Luther King’s life, the counterculture revolution of the sixties and the leftist tinted civil rights movement made favorable considerations of communism generally more palatable.
• King wrote in Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? “I am now convinced…the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed measure: the guaranteed income.” But “to ensure that the guaranteed income operates as a consistently progressive measure” it “must be pegged to the median income of society, not the lowest levels of income” and “must automatically increase as the total social income grows.” So far, his proposal was not materially different from Huey Long’s Share Our Wealth program. This was from his later works, but he had voiced support for “a modified form of socialism” for some time. While accepting his Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, King told the press, “We feel we have much to learn from Scandinavia’s democratic socialist tradition and from the manner in which you have overcome many of the social and economic problems that still plague far more powerful and affluent nations. “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.”

• “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.”; and
• “Within common law we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs.”

While Martin Luther King Day should be one of reflection and appreciation for what has been accomplished, and a reckoning of what still needs to be done, it should also be a day of understanding, in terms clear of emotionally driven rhetoric, where the civil rights movement went wrong. A major key to this understanding, I would contend, is the destructive effects that communist ideas and outright infiltration has had on the African-American community. Communists tried to use African-Americans as cannon fodder by stoking hatred and racial division. A predominantly white left-wing establishment promoted Black communists in order to preserve an informal system of oppression.
The fact is that he WAS a socialist and that goes to the heart of what went wrong with the civil rights establishment after the legal battles against codified discrimination were won.

I am a black man who has been getting calluses on my dome from butting heads with those in my community who refuse to relinquish big government statist solutions for the problems plaguing the black community in favor of free market solutions that are far more appropriate today. These forces frequently cite Dr. King and use his exhortations to government to lead the way. They specifically cite his socialist outlook as justification for their continuance. The two parent black family was destroyed by LBJ’s welfare state. That was the worst cultural calamity to EVER befall the black community in the US, and the most destructive force in its cultural life notwithstanding the imposition of Jim Crow law via the Supreme Court’s Plessy v Fergueson decision. MLK was a leading proponent for expanding the welfare state, whose baleful effects were just beginning to be seen in the black community.

MLK was a man of enormous charisma and courage and certainly a pivotal figure in the civil rights movement. There is much about him that I admire. An assessment of his life could creditably yield the adjective of great. Despite that, he does not deserve to be the ONLY American with his own holiday named after him. That honor should be reserved for only one person in American history, the greatest of all Americans, George Washington. More so than any other SINGLE figure in our history, he was the “indispensable man.” Without his courage, acumen, honor, and integrity, the US would simply not exist, and if it did, it probably would have been as a monarchy and certainly not as a constitutional republic.

The fact that MLK, Jr. has come to represent the ENTIRE face of the Civil Rights movement is a slap in the face to scores of people who accomplished much, those that were trying to do the right thing without necessarily seeking personal glory for themselves, let alone martyrdom to try to equal Christ, which is blasphemous on its face.
What of the heroic Republican federal officials from Reconstruction, for which almost nobody can name today ? Those men had NOBODY to pave the way for them. Even a Black Republican minister and Congressional candidate from Chicago, the Rev. Archibald Carey, Jr., who delivered the “Let Freedom Ring” speech before the 1952 Republican National Convention, has been forgotten (a speech largely plagarized by MLK, Jr). Nobody knows who Rev. Carey is today or what he spoke.

MLK’s birthday holiday was a sop to PC and a reflection of the DemocRAT Congress that voted it. The depth of MLK’s association with the most anti-freedom ideology (Communism) of our time will prove to very discomfiting when it is fully revealed. Additionally, MLK’s legacy to the modern day civil rights movement is a socialist bequeathment that of looking to big government solutions for many of the behavioral problems in today’s black community. MLK continues to cast a long shadow over most of the modern day civil rights establishment and black politicians who largely reject free market, educationally based solutions to the unique problems plaguing the black community.


73 posted on 01/20/2014 8:38:39 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Damned. The nutcase Stoned wants to tell some of the truth about Dr. King Jr. and Hollywood goes into coverup, fire-his-ass mode. Well golly gee whiz! I’ll be knee high to a horned toad.

The shit has hit the fan and a lot of people are ducking. Problem is, nobody will tell the truth about King.

He was many things, some great, some good, some not so good. You’ll find a little about his shady side in David Garrow’s “The FBI and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.”

The problem was that Garrow, a respected left-liberal historian/professor, found things that he didn’t know about, didn’t understand, and didn’t research further.

He stumbled upon the FBI’s most successful Soviet penetration operation in history, “Operation Solo: The FBI’s Man in the Kremlin”, (the book), by my late friend John Barron, Regnery, 1996. He could have blown the operation wide open but Barron finally got permission from the Bureau to write a real history of “Solo” and company. This prevented Garrow from exposing the deep penetration operation before it could be wrapped up and the people inside gotten out to safety.

Barron helped expose the Soviet/Communist Party USA backgrounds and allegiances of two of King’s top advisors - Stanley Levison (KGB money handler for the Party, CPUSA member, King’s financial and political advisor) and Jack O’Dell (Hunter Pitts O’Dell), CPUSA National Committee Member as of 1961 (See: “Structure and Organization of the Communist Party of the United States”, Part 1, Hearing, House Committee on Un-American Activities, nov. 20, 21 & 22, 1961, p. 576.

O’Dell was King’s personal secretary/advisor, a member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference organization (New York Chapter), then he became Jesse Jackson’s top man as the head of the much-needed (sarc) “International Department” of Operation Breadbasket (Jesse’s first conjob), then its successor, Operation PUSH, and then the Rainbow Coalition.

O’Dell was involved deeply in the “Hanoi Lobby” and the “Anti-Defense Lobby”, including the 1982-83 Nuclear Freeze/Mobilization for Survival protests against the cruise missile and Honest John missiles for Germany to prevent any Soviet invasion.

O’Dell was also a US delegate/member of the KGB/Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union “peace” front, the World Peace Council, from at least 1977-1980, according to ther “List of Members 1977-1980” book.

In this book, O’Dell was described as “Associate Editor, “Freedomways” Magazine (the CPUSA’s magazine aimed at the American black population); International Affairs Director, “People United to Save Humanity” (PUSH)”.

O’Dell was one of the communists behind Jackson’s trip to Syria in 1983 to “bring back” an American pilot shot down over Lebanon/Syria (Goodman), and turn it into an anti-American propaganda operation.

I wonder if all of this would have been in Stone’s movie. Guess we will never no.

Re Dr. King’s “adultery”, it was reasonably well known within the King family that he was “fooling around” (but the extent to which has never been made public). Our new FBI director Comy referred to wiretaps on Dr. King (they were mainly for internal security reasons because of his extensive contact with CPUSA/KGB operatives (some of whom he probably didn’t know were such, as they used and played him like a second-hand violin).

Comy said that he didn’t the Bureau to ever do to anyone what they did to Dr. King. Comy is full of crap. Perhaps he should read all the files on Dr. King. he might learn a few things about subversion along the way.

He might also learn about something that reportedly happened overseas that could have exposed him to Soviet blackmail and/or would have wrecked his marriage and his organization. Or so my source told me, and he should know.

No wonder Hollywood had a leftist shitfit when Stone actually proposed telling some of the truth about Dr. King in his planned movie.

As Harvey Weinstein and other wealthy leftists would say, “We don’t need no stinkin’ truth in our movies. Lies and coverups will do just as fine”.

Gee, I can hear the papers burning at FBI headquarters right now. The King files up in flames. Crackle, crackle, crackle.

Sometimes the “truth will not out”.

In the old days you could be in the mix on internal security issues if you knew the right people and they trusted you. And I knew some of the right people, yessire’.
Good men, good patriots. Sorely missed!(Bill, Ray, Ray, and Richard, among others).

FReepers. You can try to guess who these men were, if you want, or just trust me, they were in the “know”.


74 posted on 01/20/2014 8:42:43 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Repeat Offender
The Rosa Parks incident was setup. Another girl was selected to be the "Rosa;" however, the teenager "fell pregnant" while unmarried and was deemed unsuitable. The whole event was staged to provide a catalyst for a pre-planned boycott of the bus lines.

I hadn't heard that before but it makes it somewhat similar to the Lawrence v. Texas case then. From DAY 1 they said they would challenge the arrest up to the Supreme Court to have same sex sodomy laws overturned.

75 posted on 01/20/2014 8:43:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: IronJack

Jefferson did not have a “relationship” with Sally Hemmings. It was apparently his brother, according to DNA samples tested over the past 10-15 years ago.

Google “Robert Turner and Thomas Jefferson” to see the articles Prof. Turner has written about this allegation. He disproves it in an academic and intelligent manner, something which the Left has tried to keep covered up in order to discredit Jefferson as not only a slave owner, but a slave screwer.

Don’t let the Left get away with anything that you can disprove. Do the research and write about it, either in letters to the editor, columns, on talk shows, or here at FR. We can then spread the “documents” facts around, unlike the Left’s smearing bullshit lies around.

That is how you kick the Left in the nuts, with facts and intelligence. They hate that.


76 posted on 01/20/2014 8:47:33 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Revolting cat!; GeronL
Frankly, I care less about whether the MLK movie talks about his serial adultery than I do about it acknowledging his ties to Communism. The way I see it, Oliver Stone’s version was going to be a hagiography with a little adultery sprinkled in, but whitewashing the things that made King truly dangerous. There were plenty of Civil Rights heroes that weren’t Communists that we should honor before honoring MLK.

Oliver Stone was probably going to CHAMPION King's later Marxist "labour party" talk and cite that as the reason "the US government" had REVEREND King killed.


77 posted on 01/20/2014 8:52:34 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: JimSp

Not everything King did was wrong or associated with Communists. He really did believe in the goodness of man and of brotherhood, but like a couple other key figures in American history, he was sandwiched between Soviet operatives and pushed leftward into the Communist Party orbit (Highland School for one. His anti Vietnam speech of 1967, for another. Need to know who wrote it, but it was reported as written in Harry Belafonte’s home, which may open another can of red worms).

Even Ralph Abernath, after a stint with the Soviet propaganda machine of the World Peace Council and other fronts, turned away from them and joined a national anti-communist organization. I got that from its head, a well known American political figure.

King was Greek opera figure of both good deeds and tragedies due to personal flaws.

If you understand this, then you will begin to understand the complexities of the man and how he was exploited by the Reds. It happened to Oppenheimer, Einstein, and even Eleanor Roosevelt until the Congress/FBI told her the truth about some of her associations, which she publicly dropped and denounced as Communist fronts.

Welcome to the wonderful world of subversion, which leads today, right to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW, DC.


78 posted on 01/20/2014 8:59:53 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: DMZFrank

To DMZFrank: Extremely well written and documented post about King’s early years and Communism. Ironically, I hadn’t seen your comments when I wrote mine, which appeared in the next post position.

You’ve done a good job assessing the times and context of Dr. King in the 1950’s, esp. he comments about communism. By 1957 or so, Stanley Levison had wormed his way into King’s confidence because he helped him get out of southern jails. Thus the KGB got their man “in the door” of an up and coming young black preacher and civil rights leader.

This is how they worked. Then they got Jack O’Dell, one of the CPUSA’s top southern organizers, in as his secretary. (I wonder if Shuttlesworth was the insider on this, or Bevel?)

Either way, King ended up in the infamous “Communist Sandwich”, with, in the slightly rearranged words of “Steelers Wheel”, “Communists to the left of me, Commies on the Right, here I am stuck in the middle with you”.

Could your “DMZ” be up north in I Corps? If so, I never got there. A typhoon wiped out our flights. Did get to Panmunjean in Korea. Well, one DMZ out of two ain’t back, but the real story was in Nam.

Keep writing. I like your approach to telling the truth.


79 posted on 01/20/2014 9:09:34 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: vette6387

“they are finally suffering death at the hands of non-Blacks who have had enough,”

You know, they had their chances over decades ago. Nine white males passed in favor of school integration and white politicians forced integration so frankly I don’t think these blacks had any right to grievance for a long long time. I’m tired of it; we can’t win and I honestly see the black community spiraling out of control. Not just riots, but something else is eating away at their minds; it’s like they’re lashing out more and more and more and seem determined to take the rest of this nation down with them.


81 posted on 01/20/2014 10:27:46 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Not only that but
Reagan wasn’t a minister, like king.

Can’t have the truth come out, oh no. None of that.


82 posted on 01/21/2014 12:41:36 AM PST by ~Pandora
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To: DMZFrank

Great analysis. Thanks for posting.


83 posted on 01/21/2014 1:54:01 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

When I was in grad school, I had a vet student tell me his dad was an FBI agent assigned to protect MLK in Dallas during some march back in the 60s. He caught MLK and some number of his entourage having an orgy in MLK’s hotel suite. He stated the entire room was full of naked Africans. We have seen similar pictures in national geographic. Go figure.

I have to ponder,which Affie preacher will be the next in line to have a national holiday declared in his honor? Sharpton, Jackson, or Wright?


84 posted on 01/21/2014 6:55:00 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: floralamiss
For your reading (and/or listening) Enjoyment:

"We, Negro Americans, sing with all loyal Americans: My country 'tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, Land of the Pilgrims' pride From every mountainside Let freedom ring! That's exactly what we mean – from every mountainside, let freedom ring. Not only from the Green Mountains and White Mountains of Vermont and New Hampshire; not only from the Catskills of New York; but from the Ozarks in Arkansas, from the Stone Mountain in Georgia, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Let it ring not only for the minorities of the United States, but for the disinherited of all the earth! May the Republican Party, under God, from every mountainside, LET FREEDOM RING!"

Archibald Casey, Jr. (1952 GOP Convention)

Link to full 17:30 rare audio recently discovered at the Eisenhower Library

85 posted on 01/21/2014 7:11:11 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Not even committed leftist Oliver Stone can get a script green lit that depicts MLK as anything but a saint.

Pretty much the same strictures apply to the way MLK is discussed and portrayed in the media here as applied to portrayals of Lenin and other "heroes of the revolution" in the Soviet Union.

86 posted on 01/21/2014 7:38:03 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Michael.SF.

I think the family wants some epic journey of a movie....with only pure thoughts of the guy, and a likely oscar-status for the movie and actor. Naturally, money would come out of such results.

The problem is...the deeper that you dig into the character....you have a man who is deep into the thought of where things are going. He’s not pure and clean. He has a message which generally stays the same from day one on. The minute you hint of some affectionate “other gal” in the story....things go downhill with the image.

The odds of any movie made in the next decade? Zero chance. Maybe when all of the current children are gone, and the next generation are the decision-makers....it’ll change. Eventually, the foundation will come into some battle situation where decisions are made because of serious cash flow problems.


87 posted on 01/21/2014 7:52:27 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Neoliberalnot

Being an urban Southerner, I have always been amused to find people are shocked when an urban minister is discovered to be adulterous.

We are shocked when they are NOT adulterous. It’s an open secret that successful urban pastors like to “get busy”, sometimes with women, sometimes with men. Show me a successful charismatic urban reverend and I’ll show you a man that likes to get a little, every now and again.
Jimmy Swaggart, please pick up the courtesy phone.


88 posted on 01/21/2014 8:05:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: RobbyS
"I am of two minds. Is Andy Young telling the truth, just protecting the vested interest of the King family, or is Hollywood so vested in sex that they want to make adultery the centerpiece of his career?"

I'm wondering the same thing. Is there evidence of MLK adultery or is this just wishful thinking by hollywood. I'm surprised they didn't try to make him gay.

89 posted on 01/21/2014 8:20:41 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: RobbyS
"I am of two minds. Is Andy Young telling the truth, just protecting the vested interest of the King family, or is Hollywood so vested in sex that they want to make adultery the centerpiece of his career?"

I'm wondering the same thing. Is there evidence of MLK adultery or is this just wishful thinking by hollywood. I'm surprised they didn't try to make him gay.

90 posted on 01/21/2014 8:20:41 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I know its fashionable to love MLK and blabber on and on about white guilt like it is sophisticated and all, but in honest truth George Washington means more to me than MLK. MLK day has an expiration date that is soon coming up, it had great partisan use that is coming to an end. Washington will still be in the history books front and center MLK will be in the bargain rack.


91 posted on 01/21/2014 10:23:42 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: tomkat

LOL!!


92 posted on 01/21/2014 4:52:22 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon
d:^)
93 posted on 01/21/2014 5:36:59 PM PST by tomkat
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To: AppyPappy

Anecdotal examples of one or two is insufficient evidence to condemn the entire lot, imho. Were you a victim?


94 posted on 01/22/2014 6:54:25 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I guess you missed all of them. How many would be enough for you? Or is this just one of those examples of “I don’t want to see it therefore it doesn’t exist”.


95 posted on 01/22/2014 7:41:48 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy

So, are you one of them too? My take is, without exception, there are good and bad people in every profession. If I were to condemn a profession, it would be lawyers. Ask what profession has put this country in such a mess?


96 posted on 01/22/2014 9:07:42 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Impy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj
>> "The script dealt w/ issues of adultery, conflicts within the movement, and King's spiritual transformation into a higher, more radical being," Stone continued. "I'm told the estate & the 'respectable' black community that guard King's reputation won't approve it. They suffocate the man & the truth. I wish you could see the film I would've made. I fear if 'they' ever make it, it'll be just another commemoration of the March on Washington. Martin, I grieve for you. You are still a great inspiration for your fellow Americans--but, thank God, not a saint." <<

Yikes. Now is the insane liberal conspircy theorist loon Oliver Stone has written a MLK Jr. biopic that actually sounds pretty historically accurate and compelling (at least on paper). I never thought I'd agree with Oliver Stone's version of history. I'm not sure what's more jarring -- this or Vladmir Putin standing up for western civilization against Obama.

97 posted on 01/22/2014 2:47:24 PM PST by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: BillyBoy

Looks like Stone will have to pursue another avenue.


98 posted on 01/22/2014 10:18:13 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: RobbyS
Well, he was a great man, but great men are often not good men. But even holy men attract women, as a magnet does iron filing.

It seems to me that he might have had a dream that blacks could legally apply for any job they wanted with a fair chance of getting it based on qualifications. I think he'd be pretty disappointed at the direction his dream has taken.

99 posted on 01/24/2014 2:37:34 PM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: DungeonMaster

Not quite sure. I did think at the time that his thinking was indeed closer to that of Booker Washinton and A.Phillip Randolph, which was to ensure that black men could obtain dignified employment and thus be able to earn equal status in American society. In other words, to be able to do what poor white Southerners were just then becoming able to do in the post-war period. I think it was LBJ’s aim to break segregation because the poverty that had gripped the South since the Civil War could now be set aside and indeed ought to because it caused whites to spend too much time worrying about dividing a small pot of money. Unlike Obama, for instance, LBJ did want to grow the economy and expected it to grow. The problem was he was too optimistic,


100 posted on 01/24/2014 11:32:13 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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