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The Minnesota starvation experiment
BBC ^ | 19 January 2014 | Janet Ball

Posted on 01/20/2014 11:12:53 AM PST by Sawdring

In 1944, 26-year-old Marshall Sutton was a young idealist who wanted to change the world for the better. As a conscientious objector and Quaker, he refused to fight in the war but he still craved the chance to help his country.

"I wanted to identify with the suffering in the world at that time," he says. "I wanted to do something for society. I wanted to put myself in a little danger."

That danger came, unexpectedly, in the shape of a small brochure with a picture of children on the front.

"Will you starve that they be better fed?" it asked. It was a call for volunteers to act as human guinea pigs in a medical experiment at the University of Minnesota.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: starvation; wwii

1 posted on 01/20/2014 11:12:53 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring




showing again the deep understanding of real world matters by doped up "progressive" dreamers
2 posted on 01/20/2014 11:39:52 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: Sawdring

There once was a farmer who decided he could save money and increase efficiency by getting his horse used to eating less and less every day. So he steadily decreased the daily rations given to the horse.

The experiment would have worked too, if the horse didn’t die on him.


3 posted on 01/20/2014 11:43:33 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Sawdring

What is fascinating is that the diet that they were eating - low in fat, low in protein, high in carbohydrate.

Exactly what the government is recommending for “healthy” weight loss.

For them, it lead to depression, insanity, and self-mutilation. On 1800 calories/day. Far more than is recommended by many of our “safe” weight-loss diets.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 11:46:20 AM PST by jdege
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To: MeshugeMikey

bump


5 posted on 01/20/2014 11:49:13 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: jdege

Well now we know who “ Billy Bob “I reckon” Thornton’s dad is...


6 posted on 01/20/2014 11:51:52 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jdege

If I don’t eat my peas... someone in Africa will starve?

The logistics never made sense when I was a kid and still don’t


7 posted on 01/20/2014 11:52:50 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Like Brad Pitt’s charity using non-chemical treated “treated” lumber with a 40 year warranty to build porches and decks in New Orleans. They said the lumber saves the environment.

After 3 years they are rotting.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 11:56:08 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Sawdring

Just wow.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 12:00:49 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Sawdring

My father in law was an AF POW in Poland when they were liberated by the Russians he weighed a 105#.

He was a legend in the PLAV, it was reported that most of the newly born children in North Central Poland, born shortly after the war were his.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 12:01:38 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: GeronL

You would think that if you didn’t eat your peas, demand would be lower and with lower demand the price should go down for the Chinese and enable a starving Chinese child to eat cheaper.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 12:03:50 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring; KC_Lion; Darksheare
If everyone in America refused to eat peas, we could end hunger on Earth!

We need to launch a "Don't Eat Peas" petition and campaign

12 posted on 01/20/2014 12:05:37 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Little Bill

In the article it says when you starve you lose all sexual desire. Was his legend status before or after he entered the camp?


13 posted on 01/20/2014 12:05:37 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
After, the Russians turned them loose to find their way to Memel where they would be picked up by the US.

He is Lithuanian, speaks Polish like a native. As my pal Big Al said one time, “You think I'm crazy and Mitch is your father in law, I'm not in the same league.”

14 posted on 01/20/2014 12:12:57 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Resolute Conservative

indeed. Its all for Peace ya know


15 posted on 01/20/2014 12:14:33 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: GeronL
they do this n Iran too..but its state enforced...


16 posted on 01/20/2014 12:15:39 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: Little Bill
My father in law was an AF POW in Poland when they were liberated by the Russians he weighed a 105#.

During WWII the Japs would allow some POWs to send a card home, saying they were well treated by their captors. One of the Bataan survivors wrote his folks saying that he was indeed, well treated, and now weighed almost as much as cousin Jimmy. Cousin Jimmy was 14 and weighed 110 pounds.

17 posted on 01/20/2014 12:23:58 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka
During the Depression, thousands of Finns from Minnesota immigrated to the Soviet Union to help build a socialist paradise. About half of these almost immediately returned to the US after they found out what happened to the Ukrainians.
18 posted on 01/20/2014 1:07:40 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Sawdring

“...conscientious objector and Quaker, he refused to fight..”

SOB. He should be made to enlist and at least work in the rear in support or the like; otherwise, deport that ba$tard—anywhere.


19 posted on 01/20/2014 1:26:58 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: GeronL

I think you were supposed to APPRECIATE that you had peas to eat while children in Africa, China, etc., were starving. It wasn’t that your eating somehow would prevent their hunger.


20 posted on 01/20/2014 1:33:21 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious

I was a kid, it was confusing... :p


21 posted on 01/20/2014 1:35:08 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Sawdring

Interesting story. I’ve been reading a lot of WWII books lately. Quakers were mentioned several times for outstanding work as combat medics.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 1:38:53 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

That wasn’t lumber. It was a composite material, essentially particle board.

Like pretty much all such composite wood materials, it doesn’t react well to moisture, I don’t care what it’s treated with.


23 posted on 01/20/2014 1:44:29 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sawdring

This was a perfectly valid scientific experiment, with the laudable goal of determining how best to help victims of starvation recover.

Some of the comments here are odd. There was no political slant to these experiments and the participants were all volunteers.


24 posted on 01/20/2014 1:49:47 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t think I could do that to myself if I had access to food at home or at work. I agree with your sentiment, but don’t you just start feeding people that are starving and let nature take its course?


25 posted on 01/20/2014 2:29:58 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

The idea was to determine what the physical and psychological effects of starvation were and how to address them most effectively.

It’s been known for a loonnnggg time that if starving people are just suddenly permitted to start eating all they want, many of them will die.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 2:54:54 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Gus Hall was a Finn from Minnesota. That’s right, folks! Minnestoopid gave us the longest running Commie candidate for President. Now we have a Commie in the White House.


27 posted on 01/20/2014 4:04:45 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Fred Hayek
Gus Hall's actual name was Hallberg. He abbreviated it to Hall because he thought it sounded too Jewish for his Communist buddies.

I knew a nephew of Gus’ in Minnesota who told me a funny recollection. He said the family could always tell when Uncle Gus was about due in town by the sudden appearance of telephone repairmen, up on utility poles at various locations and in local coffee shops where Gus was known to visit.

28 posted on 01/20/2014 6:14:11 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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