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Can a gun protect India's women from rape and violence?
The Guardian ^ | January 19, 2014 | Jon Henley

Posted on 01/20/2014 1:26:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Named after the 23-year-old who was raped and killed in Delhi in 2012, the Nirbheek pistol has been designed for women. But it has drawn fierce criticism from women's groups and anti-gun campaigners.

The Nirbheek gun designed for women: comes in a bejewelled maroon case.

It weighs barely 500g, is slim enough to slip into a purse, features an attractive darkwood handle on a black titanium-alloy body and comes in a bejewelled maroon case. Engraved on its barrel is the name Nirbheek: Hindi for fearless, and a synonym for Nirbhaya, the name given to the unnamed 23-year-old Delhi woman whose torture, gang rape and, ultimately, death at the hands of six men in December 2012 sparked national and international outrage.

The launch by India's state-run Indian Ordnance Factory of what is billed as the country's first handgun for women, and named after the victim of such a horrific murder, has drawn fierce criticism from women's groups and anti-gun campaigners who say it is an admission of state failure and an insult to Nirbhaya's memory. But Abdul Hameed, the factory owner, told the BBC the gun would increase women's confidence and deter attackers: "We believe that women who carry this gun will feel fearless," he said.

Despite tough new laws against rape, a greater police presence and the launch of dedicated women's helplines in several cities, shocking attacks on women – such as last week's gang rape of a 51-year-old Danish tourist in New Delhi – remain commonplace in India: general violence and homicides using guns may be falling, but levels of reported sexual crimes have increased significantly in recent years. Figures from the National Crime Records Bureau suggest one rape is committed every 22 minutes....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; india; nirbheek; women
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To: Vaquero

Someone said .32 was the caliber.


21 posted on 01/20/2014 1:45:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I love the look and feel of handguns, but this is one ugly piece of machinery. I'd rather have a Ruger LCP anyday.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 1:45:10 PM PST by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: Vaquero

Most professional assassins and hit men (government, mafia, gang, shadow organizations, etc.) use .22 LR almost exclusively, usually with a silencer of some kind.


23 posted on 01/20/2014 1:47:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Ugly but workable .. but not at the price quoted ... If it is double action they need to lose the hammer spur and smooth all the corners... I agree with revolvers for newbies though ... .22 or .32 works and keeps the weight down.

If the quoted price is accurate someone needs to go into the pepper spray and taser business over there...


24 posted on 01/20/2014 1:53:47 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

For that price, they could buy a 3d printer, print out multiple liberator pistols (by defense distributed). Then sell them for much lower price to the women.

A group of Israeli reporters tested the gun with 9 mm (34,000 psi) so a .45 ACP or .380 ACP should work as well.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 2:03:56 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It won’t unless she aims and pulls the trigger.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 2:05:30 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: RightOnTheBorder
That is the real problem with the weapon. The article says the gun costs 1200 BP ($2000USD) which is roughly what the average Indian makes in a year. Sounds like Rossi and Taurus need to start shipping 6 shooters to India.

That's just nuts. A S&W LadySmith is just $470 at Cabela's. You can get a Taurus .380 for $230. They are marketing a low-quality-looking gun at premium prices. A bunch of people must be taking huge kickbacks.

27 posted on 01/20/2014 2:11:52 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Note that the woman activist who opposes this gun does so because she wants to remake society to destroy its macho nature. A few thousand dead or wounded would-be rapists would be a good start to that remaiking.


28 posted on 01/20/2014 2:12:01 PM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: rcofdayton

I’m betting she lives in a guarded building, works in a secure office and might even have a bodyguard.


29 posted on 01/20/2014 2:14:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Except that probably most of the radical deconstructionists known as feminists are conditioned by their “critical theory” education to actually believe that “hormonal inequality” really is the source of most human violence and unfair oppression.

Put the common threads together. They are: deconstructing football because it glorifies that hormonal inequality (same with the military), deconstructing heterosexual marriage because it perpetuates differentiated sex roles, deconstructing reproduction itself via “abortion rights” because women should have the same pleasure-to-consequences ratio as men. It’s only “fair.” Etc.

So at bottom, it’s a multifaceted deployment of the core Marxist credo of equality of outcomes in as many dimensions as possible. A society with no contrast, no color, no life. Peaceful? Maybe. Peaceful as the grave.


30 posted on 01/20/2014 2:16:42 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Brand new Hi-Point C9 9mm semi-automatic w/lifetime transferable warranty, $145 all day long.


31 posted on 01/20/2014 2:17:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Needs to be a .30 caliber or larger.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 2:18:10 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

They’re saying it’s a .32 caliber revolver.


33 posted on 01/20/2014 2:18:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Figures from the National Crime Records Bureau suggest one rape is committed every 22 minutes.

365 days a year x 24 hours a day x 60 minutes per hour / 22 minutes = 23,891 rapes per year. I call BS. The US, with 1/4 the population, has 84,000 rapes per year. I suspect most rapes (90+%) in India don't get reported for the usual honor-related reasons.

34 posted on 01/20/2014 2:37:44 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

.32 S & W Long


35 posted on 01/20/2014 2:41:06 PM PST by njslim (actice)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Yeah, it appears to be .32 S&W Long aka 7.65X23

http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/3.htm


36 posted on 01/20/2014 2:41:54 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: man_in_tx

I know a few women who associate themselves with the “women’s group” movement thinking. They may be women by age, but mentally they act and think like children. They demand “equal rights” but refuse to do things they think men “should” do. Essentially, they want to be treated like a perpetual victim.


37 posted on 01/20/2014 2:41:56 PM PST by matt04
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To: Celtic Conservative

India has ridiculous gun laws. (Story changed a little bit but close enough, to protect the family) I have an Indian friend who was high up on the political scale who had a neighbor family that had murdered his associates and threatened him. He was one of the few in the country that qualified for a pistol permit. He went through years of processes and finally was approved for a .32 caliber wheel gun that cost nearly $3000. He is only allowed a certain number of bullets and each bullet and casing must be accounted for by a police chief miles and miles away. He was only allowed to carry in certain areas as long as he reported to each region when he was there. In other words, after spending thousands to protect himself, his property, and his family it was still next to impossible and ended up being cheaper to hire a full time Sikh guard with an ancient 303 enfield.

When he visited in the USA I took him out to the shooting range and showed him an arsenal of guns available just in our neighborhood gun store and local gun club. He was amazed.

The pistol looked no more modern that the 1900 Webleys.


38 posted on 01/20/2014 2:44:04 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Rapist Rights crowd realizes its hard to rape with a bullet in the brain.

Everyone should have the right to defend oneself


39 posted on 01/20/2014 2:48:11 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Ultimately, we have to challenge the culture of domination and violence through nonviolence, not through introducing more tools of violence."

Can anyone name me one time where this has worked against violence?

And if anyone brings up Ghandi I am going to slap them and then point out he died from being shot so "nonviolence" didn't work very well in his case now did it.

40 posted on 01/20/2014 2:54:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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