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Study: Nearly half of black men, 38 percent of white men arrested at least once in US by 23
FoxNews ^ | Jan 20, 2014 | AP

Posted on 01/20/2014 5:37:37 PM PST by Innovative

Nearly half of black men and 40 percent of white men are arrested at least once on non-traffic-related crimes by the time they turn 23. That's according to a new study.

The estimates published this month by criminologists at the University of South Carolina and the University at Albany didn't rely on arrest records but on an annual federal survey of 7,000 young people who answered questions from 1997 to 2008.

The authors found that by age 18, 30 percent of black men, 26 percent of Hispanic men and 22 percent of white men have been arrested.

By 23, those numbers climb to 49 percent for black men, 44 percent for Hispanic men and 38 percent for white men.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arrested; blackmales; crime; felons; males; moraldecline; newgeneration; whitemales; youthcrime
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I think this should not be a race issue -- whether it's 38% or 49% is/should not be the issue -- the real issue is that there is something really wrong when nearly half of young men are arrested at least once by age 23 -- for doing something criminal. Not to mention how many are doing something criminal that don't get arrested.

This is a sign of a country in decline -- this is our new generation.

The next presidential candidate need to run on lifting the country's moral compass to teach young kids right from wrong and help them strive for goodness and morality.

1 posted on 01/20/2014 5:37:37 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Haha...I was 27


2 posted on 01/20/2014 5:38:41 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Innovative

Not me!


3 posted on 01/20/2014 5:39:17 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Innovative

Net out Marijuana and see what’s left


4 posted on 01/20/2014 5:40:17 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Innovative

Not me. I didn’t do it, nobody saw me, you can’t prove a thing.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 5:40:27 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Innovative

There are so many laws now, each of us probably breaks a few each day without even knowing it. There should be a requirement that for every new law that’s passed, legislators should be required to repeal five existing laws.


6 posted on 01/20/2014 5:41:29 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Innovative
Here's the perfect way to change this appalling statistic.

And here's some more great advice!

7 posted on 01/20/2014 5:42:45 PM PST by Maceman
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To: AppyPappy

“Haha...I was 27”

Late bloomer?


8 posted on 01/20/2014 5:43:52 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Innovative

Police state.


9 posted on 01/20/2014 5:44:09 PM PST by twister881
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I don’t believe that 38 per cent of white men are arrested by 23. I think they fudged that number so it doesn’t look as bad for non whites.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 5:44:11 PM PST by willywill
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To: CrazyIvan

Running a party that got out of hand.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 5:46:44 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Innovative

That means there is a 50% chance that Obama has an arrest record that has been hidden.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 5:47:24 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Innovative

Well I had my rights read to me 3 times but never got arrested.

Did almost get shot a couple times, nearly blown up, and kidnapped by north korean spies. Oh and there was the really sexy NK spy who tried to seduce me.

The I got out of the air force.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 5:51:19 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AppyPappy

I was going to say.

What a bunch of pikers. Most of my friends were arrested at least once by 18 and we were rural redneck kids.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 5:52:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Innovative
40 percent of white men are arrested at least once

BS. I will bet anything they are double and triple counting those with multiple arrests and not accounting for it in their percentages. No way it is that high.
15 posted on 01/20/2014 5:52:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Oliviaforever

No, 43.5%


16 posted on 01/20/2014 5:52:42 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Innovative

“This is a sign of a country in decline — this is our new generation. “

It’s also a sign of a growing incarceration industry.


17 posted on 01/20/2014 5:52:52 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Innovative

As a former CJ Instructor it isn’t a statistical race issue, it’s a fact issue. Black on Black crime is much higher, then it’s black on white crime, and at the lower numbers white on white crime, or white on black crime. Now with the immigration influx of Hispanics, more issues.

The UCR is published yearly by the FBI (2 yrs behind), and is more about the crime and the numbers relative to a key population component of say 500 per 100,000 people. All counties/cities of a certain population are to report a breakdown of all crimes nationwide.

However the racial component in the breakdown of the crime is what this Admin is trying to remove, by calling all of this racial profiling....it isn’t profiling. Only if a particular law enforcement person only focuses on blacks in all crimes or traffic stops, regardless.

If you have a crime and the victim says it’s a black male, 6’ and weighing approx 200 lbs...why would you stop a white, 5’ 5” male weighing 150 lbs, or a Hispanic, if you see a suspect fleeing or acting suspicious? Do you see the problem with what they are claiming is profiling?

Again the issue does have something to do with poverty and unemployment in some areas, but that is not the fault of the police department. How many crimes will you solve, if you can’t investigate the right description of the suspect? This is not like traffic stops at a road block.

Mistakes are made all the time, so I feel if the person, no matter the color, does not have any evidence on them or in their vehicle...let them go. Just get pertinent info to follow up on later, if necessary.

Where you can see the relevance to crime is in zipcodes, through city data details that break down race % and crime. There is talk of doing away with that too...so people moving to an area seeking better schools and safer neighborhoods will not be able to tell which ones are best.


18 posted on 01/20/2014 5:55:42 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: RKBA Democrat
It’s also a sign of a growing incarceration industry.

I think that's a big part of it combined with a government that never saw a new law it didn't like.
19 posted on 01/20/2014 5:55:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Innovative
I don't think I know anyone who has ever been arrested.

Of course, I'm a Republican and a conservative. I hear tell that life is wilder on the other side.

20 posted on 01/20/2014 5:56:01 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Innovative
I *should* have been arrested.

Does that count?

21 posted on 01/20/2014 5:56:04 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: willywill

I believe they calculate non blacks as anyone else. Everyone else in the US are whites except the bothers.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 5:56:29 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: GrandmaPatriot

Oops bothers = brothers


23 posted on 01/20/2014 5:57:23 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: RKBA Democrat
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957 "...

fullyinformedjuries

24 posted on 01/20/2014 5:57:46 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Innovative

None of the young men I know have ever been arrested. Can’t think of one. I’ll have to look at the study, stats have to be off.


25 posted on 01/20/2014 6:01:15 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Innovative

Wow. That is a scary statistic.

I can’t imagine being arrested. I think I would crumble and die on the spot.


26 posted on 01/20/2014 6:08:00 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Innovative

Tell any male under the age of 21 who is arrested for a non-violent crime that all charges will be dropped if he has a vasectomy.


27 posted on 01/20/2014 6:08:33 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Innovative

never arrested, never done anything to warrant arrest.


28 posted on 01/20/2014 6:11:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Innovative

Sounds like “kids will be kids” to me. Lots of young people first learn respect for others until the cell doors clang.
behind them.

Also a society that won’t let young people afford a family is a society that will make those young people criminals.


29 posted on 01/20/2014 6:12:07 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: KoRn

they pass so many laws to use the law as a weapon against people who are not by definition, lawbreaking criminals. the lawful can’t be arrested because they don’t break laws. so those that want to target the law-abiding pass laws that turn the law-abiding into criminals.


30 posted on 01/20/2014 6:14:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AppyPappy

I feel I’ve missed out.

In my 40’s and never arrested.

Now I’ve got the money to get out of most anything, but when I was a young man...?


31 posted on 01/20/2014 6:14:57 PM PST by warchild9
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To: Red in Blue PA

i agree. white guys aren’t breaking the law at that high of a rate. probably multiple arrests of the same people.


32 posted on 01/20/2014 6:15:35 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Thank you for pointing that out.

It’s always about money.


33 posted on 01/20/2014 6:16:03 PM PST by warchild9
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To: Innovative

DUI probably accounts for a good many.


34 posted on 01/20/2014 6:16:19 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Innovative

What matters is TYPE of crime.

Violent? Non-violent? Writing a bad check or beating up and old person?

Yeah, it matters...


35 posted on 01/20/2014 6:16:31 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: informavoracious

the article says “non-traffic-related crimes “


36 posted on 01/20/2014 6:19:47 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: warchild9

I’ve been arrested twice. Never been cuffed though.


37 posted on 01/20/2014 6:20:59 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Innovative

I was arrested before the age of 23, was also married, a father, served 2 years in the Army, and held a technical job too before age 23.

This is not an article with actual statistics. It is based on estimates, and makes no comparisons to other years, other times.

So all in all, rushing to make a big deal out of this, is not persuasive.

Plus given all we see of the police these days, I’m inclined to believe they arrest MORE now, and warn LESS.


38 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:48 PM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Agree. I was just going to post one of my “I call Bull....” posts on this thread. Not even that high.


39 posted on 01/20/2014 6:24:16 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Innovative

Why would criminologists conduct a study when the FBI collects and publishes comprehensive hard statistics on crime? Too much work crunching all the numbers?


40 posted on 01/20/2014 6:24:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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"didn't rely on arrest records but on an annual federal survey of 7,000 young people who answered questions from 1997 to 2008"

"The authors found that by age 18, 30 percent of black men, 26 percent of Hispanic men and 22 percent of white men have been arrested. By 23, those numbers climb to 49 percent for black men, 44 percent for Hispanic men and 38 percent for white men."

To get from 22% arrested to 38% arrested in 5 years would require 3.2% of young white men to be arrested each year. IMO, they either questioned a non-random sample of 7000 males, or moved a decimal point!

According to the FBI, http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/persons-arrested/persons-arrested:

Definition The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The UCR Program collects arrest data on 28 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. (Please note that, beginning in 2010, the UCR Program no longer collected data on runaways.) Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested; rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.

The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2012 was 3,888.2 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 166.3 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 528.1 per 100,000 inhabitants. (See Table 30.)

I think it's very unlikely that it's a completely different 3.9% that's getting arrested every single year -- so IMO, this study must be bogus!

41 posted on 01/20/2014 6:26:43 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Innovative

Idle hands are the devil’s playground.

Young men need to work, be physically active, and physically exhausted by dinnertime. I played football, baseball, and ran track. It was rare that I could stay up past 10 on a school night.

The move by many school districts away from recess and mandatory PE class has really hurt boys. Of course the pharmaceutical industry has seen great windfalls from it. Gotta dope them boys up to get them to sit still don’tcha know.

That being said, take those stats and remove misdemeanor possession of marijuana and minor in possession of alcohol. That would be a better indicator.


42 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:48 PM PST by Tailback
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To: informavoracious
DUI probably accounts for a good many.

That's what I was thinking. My son, and a number of his friends, got misdemeanor DUI. As they lower the threshold for DUI, and increase the penalties, it only stand to reason that more young people (especially young men) would be caught up in it. My son had to do 3 days in jail (plus massive fines +loss of license) for his first (and only) DUI because the thresholds and penalties had just changed.

43 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:51 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Government actions ALWAYS have unintended consequences...)
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To: Innovative

http://www.ccjs.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Paternoster/Ray

http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LiBUfSUAAAAJ&hl=en
http://www.albany.edu/scj/shawn_bushway.php


44 posted on 01/20/2014 6:30:39 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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I found the actual article, haven’t read it yet:

http://cad.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/12/18/0011128713514801.full.pdf+html

In Crime and Delinquency magazine.


45 posted on 01/20/2014 6:31:03 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Sooth2222
◾Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 12,196,959 arrests in 2012. Of these arrests, 521,196 were for violent crimes, and 1,646,212 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.) ◾The highest number of arrests were for drug abuse violations (estimated at 1,552,432 arrests), driving under the influence (estimated at 1,282,957), and larceny-theft (estimated at 1,282,352). (See Table 29.)◾In 2012, 69.3 percent of all persons arrested were white, 28.1 percent were black, and the remaining 2.6 percent were of other races. (See Table 43.)
46 posted on 01/20/2014 6:34:49 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: huldah1776

I’ve got a very strong feeling this figures in municipal citations and similar non-criminal issues as “arrests.” Underage drinking, disorderly conduct for some minor issue.

I wonder if it would count a buddy of mine who got a disorderly conduct ticket after we were shooting BB guns behind his house in the People’s Republic of Madison.


47 posted on 01/20/2014 6:37:08 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Innovative
When I was 27 or so, I let my 3-month-old puppy off his leash in a public park. He dived into the lake in futile pursuit of a Canada Goose, who I'm pretty sure just laughed at him.

But the episode was witnessed by the Park Police, and I got a citation.

I hope this counts as having an arrest record, because I need to build up my street cred.

48 posted on 01/20/2014 6:38:06 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("The power to tax is the power to destroy." -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819)
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To: Tailback

wonder how they compare if you norm it for single parent households?


49 posted on 01/20/2014 6:39:02 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Innovative

Those are crazy statistics. There is not a single person I know that has ever been arrested. Maybe I just hang out with the right people.


50 posted on 01/20/2014 6:40:30 PM PST by SamAdams76
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