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Swiss Guard veteran claims existence of 'gay network' at the Vatican
Guardian ^ | 1/20/14 | Lizzie Davies

Posted on 01/20/2014 6:21:47 PM PST by madprof98

A former commander of the Swiss Guard, the small force of men whose job it is to protect the pope, has said there is "a network of homosexuals" within the Vatican, the latest in a series of claims about gay priests working at the heart of the Roman Catholic church.

Elmar Mäder, who was commandant of the Guard from 2002 until 2008, said his time at the heart of the Vatican had given him an insight into certain aspects of life there. "I cannot refute the claim that there is a network of homosexuals. My experiences would indicate the existence of such a thing," he told the Swiss newspaper Schweiz am Sonntag.

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A working environment in which the great majority of men are unmarried is per se a draw for homosexuals, whether they consciously seek it out or unconsciously follow an urge," he said.

"The Roman Curia [the Vatican's bureaucracy] is exactly this kind of environment."

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Mäder, while he said he did not have a problem with homosexuality, said he feared that a network or secret society of gay people within the Vatican could pose security problems. He added that he would not have promoted a gay man in the Guard – not because of his sexuality but because "the risk of disloyalty would have been too high".

Mäder said: "I also learned that many homosexuals are inclined to be more loyal to each other than to other people or institutions," he said.

"If this loyalty were to go as far as to become a network or even a kind of secret society, I would not tolerate it in my sphere of decision making. Key people in the Vatican now seem to think similarly."

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; holysee; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; romancatholicism; vatican
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I think this point about loyalty has been demonstrated repeatedly in America in recent times, particularly in what were once considered conservative circles.
1 posted on 01/20/2014 6:21:47 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98

such “networks” are a sign of rot and decadence. Its seen again and again, from Chinese dynasties to Rome to the Vatican.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:21 PM PST by PGR88
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To: madprof98

the govt agency i worked for did not hire homosexuals. they drummed them out of potential candidates. now they do. to their detriment.


3 posted on 01/20/2014 6:29:48 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PGR88

How long before the Pope says homosexuality is not a sin? Remember, he IS God’s representative on Earth so I’m sure God could give him a new verse.

It’ll become one of those “More will be revealed later” type of things.


4 posted on 01/20/2014 6:31:17 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: madprof98

Because you see the problem isn’t homosexuality - it’s Catholicism.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 6:34:42 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: madprof98; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; ..
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6 posted on 01/20/2014 6:35:56 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: madprof98

A former commander of the Swiss Guard, the small force of men whose job it is to protect the pope, has said there is “a network of homosexuals” within the Vatican, the latest in a series of claims about gay priests working at the heart of the Roman Catholic church.


What gave them away... a hand on a leg, a pat on the butt, a swishy diphthong?...


7 posted on 01/20/2014 6:39:17 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: andyk

The problem is not celibacy...it’s homosexuality.

Actually non-Catholic ministers and people who are around children like relatives and teachers have higher incidents of pedophilia.

You must not be aware that the seminaries in the U. S. were cleaned out by Pope Benedict XVI. They are bursting with young straight men wanting to be priests.

Please get the correct information before you post again.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 6:40:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: andyk
Non-Catholic Abusers
9 posted on 01/20/2014 6:42:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Please reread my post. Think again before posting.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 6:43:52 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Salvation

If I wasn’t on my phone I’d send a let me Google that for you, directed toward the definition of sarcasm. Hard to believe it wasn’t intuitively obvious to you.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 6:46:29 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

>> Hard to believe it wasn’t intuitively obvious to you.

Regrettably, it’s not that obvious lately, and a few likely agree with the text of your post.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 7:10:43 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: madprof98

In the world of priests, celibacy only includes sex with women. Any other forms are fine.
Which is why they have so many problems.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 7:12:46 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Salvation

Bursting? Really? That flow of priests coming must be the reason that priests travel to parishes like a 1900’s circuit court judge.

Or why they close down parishes that have been active for more than 100 years.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 7:15:10 PM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Gene Eric

The first three words of my post made it a dead giveaway! Really though, would I last for 15 years here as a troll?

P.s., my catholic school years made government schools a cakewalk. :)


15 posted on 01/20/2014 7:17:24 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Stay tuned...they are in the seminary!


16 posted on 01/20/2014 7:25:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Secret Agent Man

when I was in the Army homosexuals were chaptered out asap


17 posted on 01/20/2014 7:28:05 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

The Vatican commander in this article describes the type of male culture at the Vatican.

“”A working environment in which the great majority of men are unmarried is per se a draw for homosexuals, whether they consciously seek it out or unconsciously follow an urge,” he said.

“The Roman Curia [the Vatican’s bureaucracy] is exactly this kind of environment.””


18 posted on 01/20/2014 8:13:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: madprof98

2.4 or 5.0 ghz?


19 posted on 01/20/2014 9:11:43 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
How long before the Pope says homosexuality is not a sin? Remember, he IS God’s representative on Earth so I’m sure God could give him a new verse.

Sorry, the teaching model just plain doesn't work like that. (See a certain religious group headquartered in Salt Lake City for a different approach, however.)

God doesn't change his mind, and he especially doesn't change his mind about stuff like the moral law.

However, I'll quibble a bit: "homosexuality" is not a sin, it's a predilection toward a particular set of sins, just as "kleptomania" is a predilection toward sins of theft.

Homosexual *acts* are grave sins. Always. Without exception. So is any other use of the sexual faculty excepting only marital congress that is open to conception.

20 posted on 01/20/2014 10:18:06 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: madprof98

There were such allegations around the time of the Swiss guard murder/suicide case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057916/Pope-told-investigate-Vatican-murder-suicide-amid-claims-cover-up.html


21 posted on 01/20/2014 10:21:24 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: madprof98

“Franco Grillini, chairman of Gaynet, added: “Statistically, gays are the least violent group in human society...”

Utterly, completely, and in all otherways false.

These fanatical extremists have to be called on this kind of lie.


22 posted on 01/20/2014 10:26:49 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Whoa-ho-ho! Can you tell what agency you worked for?


23 posted on 01/21/2014 3:51:16 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: VerySadAmerican

One of the bishop’s the Pope assigned has already said being gay’s a sickness, & he said the Pope agrees with him,


24 posted on 01/21/2014 3:53:21 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: dsc

I was going to ask. Should have known your last line.


25 posted on 01/21/2014 3:56:56 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: ansel12

this “married” “unmarried” crap is a canard

Catholic marriage is for the purpose of creating and raising a family not for sex. In fact if a spouse uses to other to scratch their itch only, the “marriage” breaks down el pronto.


26 posted on 01/21/2014 4:58:05 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: andyk

no genius the problem is evil


27 posted on 01/21/2014 4:59:07 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: andyk

If you are so almighty smart, you should know to put a sarc tag on your posts


28 posted on 01/21/2014 5:00:17 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: AppyPappy

What drug are you on


29 posted on 01/21/2014 5:00:43 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NetAddicted

I am guessing the military

gays were chaptered out


30 posted on 01/21/2014 5:01:57 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Just sayin;’


31 posted on 01/21/2014 5:06:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: yldstrk

There was a time when we didn’t use sarc tags here.


32 posted on 01/21/2014 6:09:20 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

One of the problems with sarcasm is that it is hard to discern when a comment is sarcastic.


33 posted on 01/21/2014 6:19:15 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Salvation

I think it will take one hundred years to recover from the damage. And I am serious about that. Generations of lost priests, followed up by generations of young, inexperienced priests. It will take generations to fix this.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 6:24:31 AM PST by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: madprof98
Mäder said: "I also learned that many homosexuals are inclined to be more loyal to each other than to other people or institutions," he said.

I had a gay relative in the entertainment industry. Gays prefer to work with other gays, will give fellow gays advance inside notice of employment opportunities, will watch out for each other, etc. Once an organization reaches a tipping point, it will quickly be dominated by gays.

35 posted on 01/21/2014 6:25:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PGR88
such “networks” are a sign of rot and decadence. Its seen again and again, from Chinese dynasties to Rome to the Vatican.

Coming soon to the US military.

36 posted on 01/21/2014 6:25:30 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: VerySadAmerican

“Remember, he IS God’s representative on Earth so I’m sure God could give him a new verse”

If you’re going to say nasty things about Catholicism, it would be intellectually honest to learn something about it first.

‘A new verse,’ as you called it, is one of the things that the Holy Father is categorically, unconditionally, and in all other ways prohibited from producing.


37 posted on 01/21/2014 8:22:29 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Campion

I was talking about Joseph Smith’s edict.


38 posted on 01/21/2014 8:57:14 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: NetAddicted

Tell that to DSC.

From what I’ve read, and I’ve read it a lot, the Bible is very plain about not adding to or taking away from the Bible. That hasn’t stopped organized religions from doing it.


39 posted on 01/21/2014 8:58:24 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: PGR88

Yes..as Malachi Martin exposed, the devil has thoroughly infiltrated the religions of the world. And it is largely the ban on marriage for priest that is to blame in Catholicism.


40 posted on 01/21/2014 9:00:36 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
And it is largely the ban on marriage for priest that is to blame in Catholicism.

I've heard that argument and it is ridiculous. It can be summed up as - priests are so horny, if they don't have women to have sex with, they will doodle little boys instead. Nonsense.

41 posted on 01/21/2014 9:15:33 AM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88

It has made the temptations greater. That is a fact...to put a mechanical restriction on men whose innate desire is to have a family is evil!


42 posted on 01/21/2014 9:27:13 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: PGR88

Actually, the report verifies Scripture.

Reread Romans 1:say vss 19-the end of the chapter.

Use a KJV or something close to a word-by-word translation,...the Living Bible misses it.

We see where God the Father will make Himself known to some people who still will reject Him, and they will go so far as to try and make Him a lie, even when they know Him. He in turn may simply turn them over to vile lusts and homosexuality.


43 posted on 01/21/2014 9:36:07 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: yldstrk

vThanks for cussing while being religious, but while you claim that sex isn’t a part of Catholic marriage, except for the mechanics of procreation, that isn’t what the Vatican commander is revealing, he is describing a naturally built in climate for homosexuality at the Vatican and all Catholic leadership.

He is bringing up a denomination built on men who vow to never touch a woman, to stay above women and live and work only among men, their exclusiveness is largely based on rejecting any contact with nature’s inborn imperative of interacting with females as romantic mates.

For the Catholic leadership there will be no stooping to being husband, or dad, naturally this is very attractive to men who adore the male and reject the female, men who vow to reject the female as lover and mate, and wife, the Vatican soldier is describing an organization that will always be a magnet to homosexuals.

The issue will always be to what level can the homosexuality be suppressed or controlled, the Commander knows that they will always be signing up to enter the Catholic leadership as priests.


44 posted on 01/21/2014 10:03:09 AM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

no comprende


45 posted on 01/21/2014 4:27:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

You must have understood elements of the post, which ones did you understand?


46 posted on 01/21/2014 7:45:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

priests vow to give up sex period, not just sex with a woman

so by your argument all male organizations are magnets for homosexuals?

fraternities?
Order of the Moose?
unions?

what is your problem


47 posted on 01/21/2014 7:53:06 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

You think the male leadership of the Catholic church are husbands and boyfriends and dads, just like the men who are members of an all male fraternity or lodge?

The leadership of the Catholic church vows to never go home to a woman as a mate, to never know a woman, the only other male clubs that come close to that, are homosexual clubs, and I doubt if they require an oath, they would just be a little puzzled if one of their gay members had sex with a female.


48 posted on 01/21/2014 8:23:19 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

no
they vow no sex

not no sex with a woman

why can’t you get the distinction


49 posted on 01/21/2014 8:32:40 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I understand that, we all do, now read post 44 again, it is natural for homosexuals to be drawn to that culture.

The past commander at the Vatican has some thoughtful insights that you should try to understand.


50 posted on 01/21/2014 8:35:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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