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New IRS rules would scuttle tea parties: 'All they did was shift tactics'
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 19, 2014 | Garth Kant

Posted on 01/20/2014 9:15:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Constitutional law experts tell WND the IRS hasn’t stopped targeting conservative groups, including tea parties. It’s just trying a different approach, one that may be impossible to stop.

Many have heard of the president’s repeated promises last week to bypass Congress to accomplish his goals, saying “I’m going to act on my own if Congress is deadlocked. I’ve got a pen, to take executive actions where Congress won’t, and I’ve got a telephone to rally folks around he country on this mission.”

But another effort to fundamentally transform the American political system has gone little noticed and barely reported by the mainstream media, and it has many conservatives alarmed about its possible effect on elections and free speech, because they are virtually powerless to prevent it.

On Nov. 29, 2013, the day after Thanksgiving, the IRS quietly proposed regulations that critics say would drastically change the nature of elections and severely limit the power of conservative grassroots organizations, such as tea parties, by redefining what is considered tax-exempt political activity.

The proposal would change the rules for a type of tax-exempt political organization called a 501(c)(4), which typically engage in citizen education and grassroots lobbying....

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fascism; irs; irsteaparty; irsteapartyscandal; obama; teaparty

1 posted on 01/20/2014 9:15:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ve shown some amazing forbearance thus far. Too much for our own good, probably.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 9:18:45 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
SATAN NEVER SLEEPS!!!
3 posted on 01/20/2014 9:19:31 PM PST by SierraWasp (Democrats these days are the "Glitches" in America's way of life and culture!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3mIrC7QsQ0


4 posted on 01/20/2014 9:31:59 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


5 posted on 01/20/2014 9:36:31 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

political organizing must not rely on the largesse of the government, but the dedication and committment of its believers and their willingness to back their ideas with their money. to heck with tax deductions


6 posted on 01/20/2014 9:36:37 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf
political organizing must not rely on the largesse of the government, but the dedication and committment of its believers and their willingness to back their ideas with their money. to heck with tax deductions

Agreed; but the uniparty intends to make it as difficult as possible to interrupt their vision for our future:

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7 posted on 01/20/2014 9:38:39 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The solution is:

Do NOT apply for tax exempt ANYTHING.

Just

Get

Er

Done


8 posted on 01/20/2014 9:45:15 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: silverleaf

Well said!

I agree with you! (See post #8)


9 posted on 01/20/2014 9:46:57 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Wall Street Journal has been doing a great job trying to educate us on this one. I think it was Kimberley Strassel who did the latest one, on how the changes in the regs were nonnegotiable during the recent spending-bill follies, no matter what the repubs offered to trade for their disappearance.

Shows how very important it is to the rats who are sitting pretty right now to kneecap us in this next election.

One of my favorite verses from Proverbs: “He who digs a pit shall fall into it.”


10 posted on 01/20/2014 9:56:57 PM PST by firebrand
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To: WildHighlander57

I haven’t understood why they need tax exempt status. Can’t they be a normal C corp and do political activity?


11 posted on 01/20/2014 10:00:43 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Aria

Good question about ‘why not just be a “regular” c corp’.

But I question having to form a corporation at ALL.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 10:27:49 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet “Organizing for America” — or whatever it is — gets a free pass.


13 posted on 01/20/2014 10:36:05 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: WildHighlander57; All

Who can train these conservative organizations on how to set up without tax-exempt status ..??

And .. people are going to be compelled to donate .. even if we are required to list their names.

Where can we get this info .. it has to be easy to read and easy to implement. We’re way behind the game and we need to get started right away.

LET’s BEAT THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME.


14 posted on 01/20/2014 10:42:41 PM PST by The Final Harvest (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: CyberAnt

Not sure what you meant by this part:

“And .. people are going to be compelled to donate .. even if we are required to list their names.”


15 posted on 01/20/2014 10:48:10 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

That will be the way to go during the Obama years. Don’t expect fair treatment from these people, cause if they don’t feel like respecting your legal right of assembly on tax free status, it won’t be happening. Fine, play your little games, why don’t you. We of The Tea will continue to form and develop our groups anyway. This duplicity and conspiracy of wrongdoing: only makes our task that much more urgent


16 posted on 01/20/2014 11:09:58 PM PST by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

don’t expect the Republican Party to life a finger


17 posted on 01/20/2014 11:34:41 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Save


18 posted on 01/21/2014 1:08:21 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Charles Martel

The silence on this is deafening,I expect Obama to do this,but the Republican establishment is complicit in their silence,does not surprise me,Republican establishment could have given the speech by New York’s Governor Cuomo,no conservatives welcome here


19 posted on 01/21/2014 3:35:19 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bookmark.


20 posted on 01/21/2014 4:25:31 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: firebrand

The original Tea Party folks didn’t have tax exemption.

;)


21 posted on 01/21/2014 5:24:46 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

That’s that natural result of a lawless, self-serving government.

The people start ignoring its edicts and start getting things done in spite of it.


22 posted on 01/21/2014 5:26:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: lee martell

Yep, like I said in my other post,

” the original tea party folks didn’t have tax exemption..”

Why should we?

I’m thinking of that line from Wargames:

“The only way to win is not to play the game”

And part of the solution is in plain view.....

we are citizens of a free republic (whether 0 and his minions like it or not)


23 posted on 01/21/2014 5:32:38 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Break it down to cells like the French resistance. Small groups operating on their own but communicating with other groups.


24 posted on 01/21/2014 5:35:22 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Meanwhile, the usual moths from Congress....


25 posted on 01/21/2014 6:11:34 AM PST by onedoug
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To: firebrand
The Wall Street Journal has been doing a great job trying to educate us on this one. I think it was Kimberley Strassel who did the latest one, on how the changes in the regs were nonnegotiable during the recent spending-bill follies, no matter what the repubs offered to trade for their disappearance.

HA! Do you really think that the republicans actually tried to do anything about this? They hate the tea party more than the democrats!

hahahahahahaa

funny. Pull the other one.

26 posted on 01/21/2014 6:47:50 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: WildHighlander57
” the original tea party folks didn’t have tax exemption..”

But they also did not have an income tax, so in a sense everybody was exempt back then.

Not playing the game would be nice, but also tricky. The IRS and the FEC play their side of the game while armed.

27 posted on 01/21/2014 8:00:10 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: WildHighlander57

liability protection is the usual reason for having a corp.


28 posted on 01/21/2014 9:25:36 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: silverleaf

“political organizing must not rely on the largesse of the government, but the dedication and committment of its believers and their willingness to back their ideas with their money. to heck with tax deductions”

Exactly. Also, I would think that if, for instance, the Tea Party, whatever that is, would have taxable income if they show a profit. I would think that if they did then “they” should pay taxes. But, why would such an organization ever show a profit? I’m sure no tax lawyer, but if at the end of the year the “tea party” has excess contributions left over wouldn’t that be income as far as the IRS is concerned?

Or, does 501 designation have nothing to do with taxable income?

If that is the case then, Never Mind.........


29 posted on 01/21/2014 10:23:29 AM PST by saleman
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To: zeugma

Tell Kimberley Strassel. She’s the one who reported it.


30 posted on 01/21/2014 1:28:14 PM PST by firebrand
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To: lee martell

Yes, it’s like an unsuccessful coup. We just go forth and multiply in other ways. You can’t kill the truth.


31 posted on 01/21/2014 1:35:18 PM PST by firebrand
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To: WildHighlander57

If you get non-profit status, you don’t have to list your donors. One of the main reasons the Tea Party groups wanted to go that route.

However, if they just file as a political group - they will have to list all the names and the amounts donated .. which will require the group to compel people to donate .. just because they will not have non-profit status.

Does that clarify it ..??

As an aside .. are you really a “highlander” .. because I am. Mom’s family came from Scotland. Plaids are black watch and Royal Stewart.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 7:45:12 PM PST by The Final Harvest (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: CyberAnt; Aria

My point was, why file any kind of status at all; for profit, non profit....

File neither one.

As for liability insurance, what exactly is going to be sued about?

If someone from a group says “go to media site A and see what candidate B said, and compare that to what the constitution says” is there anything candidate B can do?

We do it here all the time.

All it costs is our cablemodem/internet access, and we buy that anyway.

If people meet at a restaurant and pay their own way, no worries about somebody slipping on the sidewalk in front of the house.

(Side note to cyberant: yup I’m Highlander Scots on one side of the family also; clan Donald from the isle of Skye )


33 posted on 01/23/2014 8:16:34 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party lives only in the minds of its members. It cannot be destroyed by mere tinkering with campaign finance laws. No matter what the Left tries, its opposition will always be there.


34 posted on 01/23/2014 8:21:15 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: saleman

-— but if at the end of the year the “tea party” has excess contributions left over wouldn’t that be income as far as the IRS is concerned? -—

“Non-profits” hide their profits in high salaries and lavish digs. Harvard has a $30 billion endowment, yet doesn’t make a “profit.” It’s quite a scam. And it buys a lot of loyalty to the government.


35 posted on 01/23/2014 8:29:35 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: WildHighlander57

I’m pretty sure it has to do with raising funds.

You have to be able to account for the money - if it’s for political activity.

but, the dems (in the IRS) are using the profit/non-profit status as a way of keeping the Tea Party repubs from raising funds and being able to keep their donor list private. The reason for keeping donors private is because the dems are known for harassing or targeting repubs who support the Tea Party groups.

As for “liability insurance” .. I don’t have a clue what was said about that .. it wasn’t included in my comments.


36 posted on 01/24/2014 6:55:01 PM PST by The Final Harvest (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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