Skip to comments.U.S. Offers Russia High-Tech Aid to Thwart Sochi Terror
Posted on 01/21/2014 12:23:42 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
BRUSSELS The United States and Russia have opened discussions about using sophisticated American electronic equipment, developed by the Pentagon to counter improvised explosive devices in Afghanistan and Iraq, in a new effort to help secure the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi next month.
The potential for a technological exchange was part of an extensive discussion here Tuesday when Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, held his first face-to-face meeting with his Russian counterpart, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff.
The Defense Department would be willing to provide equipment designed to detect and disrupt cellphone or radio signals used by militants to detonate improvised explosives from a distance, General Dempsey said. But he cautioned that technical experts from both nations first needed to make sure that the American systems could be integrated into the communications networks and security systems being set in place by Russia.
In discussing the Pentagons technology to counter improvised explosives, General Dempsey noted that this was something that weve become extraordinarily familiar with. Homemade bombs planted by militants have been the leading cause of deaths and injuries to American service members in Afghanistan and Iraq. . .
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How about a website “ConnectWithTerrorists.com”?
They can have HHS manage it.
Let them have the Pressure Cooker Bomb Detector. It’s never been used.
What could go wrong?
But Obama chose to tell Putin to GSY with your info.
We’re thinking in the same track.
Like Russia doesn’t have that technology. Geez....are we that stupid?? Or do we just think we’re so much smarter?
It’s over twenty years since the fall of the old USSR and the end of the ‘’command economy’’. What in the world are we doing by proposing to give the Russians assistance to combat terrorism with high-tech systems? Haven’t the Russians developed their own by now? Any assistance we give them will more than likely end up being reverse engineered to their advantage against us at some point.
He noted in particular that Moscow remains a vital partner for supply lines for the NATO mission in Afghanistan, agreeing to allow the movement of nonlethal material to and from the war zone through Russian territory along a route called the Northern Distribution Network; that rail and road network is becoming increasingly important as protests in Pakistan choke efforts to use the more convenient supply line there.
General Dempsey said his Russian counterpart was deeply concerned about the potential for further instability in Afghanistan after the NATO combat mission there officially ends this year. General Gerasimov has asked for updates on the American and NATO effort to train, advise and equip Afghan National Security Forces, General Dempsey said, as well as Afghanistans ability to maintain and control transportation lines in and out of the country.
He is absolutely concerned, as I would be in his place, General Dempsey said.
Russia does not need the High-Tech Aid they will use Brute Force like it should be done!
“Havent the Russians developed their own by now? Any assistance we give them will more than likely end up being reverse engineered to their advantage against us at some point.”
Call it payment for ferrying our astronauts into space.
Beware, these Russia-related threads always bring out the Putin butt kisser ping group.
But Obama chose to tell Putin to GSY with your info.
Pretty much accurate.
Obama pretty much stupidly wants thing to go bad for Russia at the Olympics, question is, how much of the Russian government and military know the bad guy is Obama not the American people or military.
Seems some of the Russians know it.
You know, you say the stupidest things. First of all, Obama and your hero Putin are on the same geopolitical page, both basically seeking the same "new world order" goals.
Or brings out the Soros Funded stooges upset with Putin putting a crimp on Communist Globalism...like in Ukraine.
Putin is pretty taking on George Soros in Ukraine...whose Open Society is behind the pro EU riots. Obama and his fellow Communist Globalists want Soros and EU ton to take over Ukraine
Yes don’t trust Obama
And who might that be, you friggin jerk. In any case, Putin, putting a crimp on global communism?? What planet are you on? Russia under Putin supports and supplies arms to communist countries all over the world, including the ChiComs, North Korea, and various latin american marxist dictatorships. I think I've pointed this out to you now about 20 times. So you obviously aren't sincere about what you're saying, just off the wall nuts.
The Communists have all but lost their grip on China. Capitalism is alive and well there.
I’m not sure NK has bought anything new from Russia in quite some time.
Actually Communist China is still quite Communist....it still is a one party state with the head of the party running the govt...along with a Politburo and Nomenklatura running day to day things. It has no real religious freedom. Communist China is more like a tighter Tito run Yugoslavia
Yes Russia has no dealings w N Korea...N Korea main partner is Communist China.
This way our stupidity won't be harmless.
"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
From April 22, 2012 (Lenin's birthday)...
China-Russia Yellow Sea naval drills begin
AP via Yahoo News ^ | April 22, 2012
BEIJING (AP) China and Russia launched joint naval exercises Sunday that highlight warming ties between their militaries and growing cooperation in international affairs.
"It's an excellent exchange for China to be able to drill jointly in such sensitive areas," Yin told CCTV.
Much of that cooperation takes place within the confines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a grouping of Central Asian states that seeks to check U.S. influence in the region and began holding joint drills in 2005.
Formerly Cold War rivals for leadership of the communist world, China and Russia have since found common ground in countering liberal democratizing trends across Asia and Eastern Europe and frequently vote against Western initiatives in the United Nations Security Council. ..."
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Chinese armored forces advance in Peace Mission-2013
Xinhua | 2013-8-10
A Chinese helicopter hovers the field for drill as Chinese armored forces advance during the Peace Mission-2013 China-Russia joint military drill in Chelyabinsk, Russia, on August 9, 2013. The 20-day Peace Mission-2013 China-Russia joint military drill began in Chelyabinsk on July 27. (Xinhua/Xian Yunqiang)
You have the FACTS smacking you right in your idiot face and still you are defending him (KGB Putin). Unbelievable.
Not "says me". Says the facts of their statements and actions.
They already have Snowden what more do they need
Lets rephrase that..... obamma gives high tech secrets to comrades in russia..obamma does not care, he already has his jihadis in place.
You should get yourself a book called “Dragonfly’’ It deals with the ill-concieved ‘’partnership between NASA and the Soviet space program. Here’s a part of the story: We were footing one hundred per cent of the money for the whole thing.
With enemies like you, Communists don’t need friends.
Putin to NSA:
Sure come on in, set up shop!
What the hell does that mean? You’re the one defending Russia and Putin who continues to this day supplying arms and support to communist nations.
By J.R. Nyquist
In discussions with former KGB and GRU officers you will run across two apparently contradictory statements. Sometimes you will hear them say that the former USSR is still run by Communists, suggesting that the rulers there believe in Communism. On the other hand, they will tell you to forget about the Communist label; that the rulers of the USSR never really believed in Communist ideology, which was a deception used to manipulate large numbers of unintelligent people.
Former KGB Lt. Col. Victor Kalashnikov recently wrote several paragraphs on this subject, and it is worth presenting. Kalashnikovs key point is that Communism is strategy, not ideology. Useful idiots believe in Communist dogma, while Communist strategists do not. Here is what Kalashnikov had to say on the subject:
Ideology as such has not ever been the real driving force guiding Russias rulers, from the Bolsheviks until the present. Ideological explanations are irrelevant. Consider the deeds of the Bolsheviks rather than the explanations or justifications given by them. Dont forget that criminals may be very eloquent and even well educated, and are capable of offering convincing-sounding rhetoric. The real problem is located elsewhere. A lot of people, those useful ones, will take that rhetoric seriously, giving it attention and respect, and even protection. Yet if we rely on Occams razor, we may remove the superficial misunderstandings caused by taking rhetoric seriously.
The Bolsheviks were basically nothing but professional gangsters and terrorists, killers and robbers, and that is unquestionably more relevant than all the ideological explanations provided by them. They were part of a broader terrorist spectrum which spread across Russia since the late 19th century and grabbed power and national wealth UNDER COVER of Marxist and Leftist-sounding slogans. They did so to mislead the Russians themselves and the foreign public the latter often longing for real socialism or communism.The slogans of the gangsters have varied substantially over time, according to the changing needs up until our day. Compare the types of Marxism preached and practiced under various general secretaries, even during different parts of their respective tenures. Marxism-Leninism was used in the USSR rather as a DECEPTION TOOL; whereas, in reality, the regime was a gangster-run state with all the unmistakable features of organized criminal activity.
I can only confirm what Viktor Suvorov once told me about the GRU as applying to the KGB: namely, that if any faithful communists happened to penetrate the intelligence staff by chance, they would be filtered out. You may not entrust serious matters to the people believing in all that rubbish, Suvorov said. Take proletarian solidarity for example. When and how did it work? Or take pauperization of the imperialist states, or inter-imperialist wars, etc. What really remained untouched among all the Marxists in state power [was] the ever present and aggressive anti-Americanism. Why? Because the United States is reasonably regarded as an INHERENT OPPONENT of Leftist rule and policies. All of this also implies more power for the secret police to suppress dissent and opposition, along with the crucial role of BUREAUCRACY and all its perquisites like nepotism, corruption, etc. Thats where the COMMON DENOMINATOR with Russia is to be found. Such regimes are incompatible with normal countries and doomed to seek conflict rather than cooperation.
Anti-Americanism would probably be the most distinct and unifying feature among them so that you may take it as the only workable and articulated ideology of substance that they espouse. And, of course, Moscow supplies all anti-American forces worldwide with arms, training, secret police and subversion know-how, plus diplomatic and political cover. Clearly, the KGB and GRU have laid down firm foundations for such international alliances on institutional, material, financial and personal levels. The General Staff of the Russian armed forces has definitely integrated those Leftist regimes of Latin American into its strategic planning, including subversion, terrorism and various forms of soft power, targeting the United States and its allies. As already noted, the Marxist or so-named liberation ideology rather plays an operational role for the purposes of propaganda and deception.
The West seems to live with a self-made, or partly imposed from the outside, fairy tale about Russia. Im really getting tired of continually explaining this wherever I can. Probably, the Western culture and the overall state of mind are in need, for the sake of inner balance and comfort, of an alternative to a decadent Western society. This alternative is somehow thought to be Russia, which still belongs to the European realm with all its great writers and composers of the 19thcentury. This artificial idea about a Russia that never really existed, and by no means is Putins Russian Federation anyway, is eagerly supported in Moscow. In fact, the present-day Russia is engulfed by CULTURAL REGRESS which is increasingly apparent if you look straight at arts, literature, architecture, media or public life. However paradoxically, this regress may become an effective survival strategy for Russia. Remember that a mollusk can outlive every other thing on earth because of its simple adaptive abilities. That makes Putins Russia even more dangerous, and requires a truly fresh look at an ominous phenomenon.
Here we discover, in Kalashnikovs analysis, the keys to the whole puzzle. Not all Communists believe in the sense of religious belief. Their Communism boils down to a set of strategies. In practice, they are gangsters and terrorists. Their strategy was (and is) to destroy the United States in order to lay the entire world open to plunder. As Lenin once said, Communism is nothing more than the scientific management of human affairs. Of all sciences, strategy involves the mass manipulation and management of people. For a criminal, this manipulation signifies mass murder and mass robbery.
It is beyond doubt, of course, that the Cold War did not end in 1991. Inside the former Soviet Union we can discern criminal totalitarian structures at work behind the scenes. These structures appear to control the large Russian corporations, media and, at minimum, maintain a veto power over government agencies in former Warsaw Pact countries and former Soviet republics. If these structures are not Communist in a strict sense, they are Communist in the sense that their actual ideology is anti-Americanism (as stated by Kalashnikov).
In terms of global strategy, these structures aim at the elimination of American power. Furthermore, these structures no longer require Marxist-Leninist ideology to function (though they do require anti-Americanism). At the same time they successfully make use of those Marxist true-believers in the West who still dream of socialist revolution.
When we look at Russian support to Venezuelan arms production, or to Russian support for Nicaraguas new military preparation, it appears that global communist revolution is still supported as part of this anti-American strategy. Kalashnikov would say that this is part of the deception. Effectively, it doesnt matter whether the FSB/KGB and the Russian General Staff believe in Marxism-Leninism or not. Their behavior is objectively the same as Marxist-Leninist behavior only without the attending ideological clichés.
What does Putin actually believe? Since Marxism itself is a deception aimed at a specific audience, Putin must sound like a Marxist when speaking to Marxists, but must sound like a non-Marxist when interfacing with Western leaders. In the year 2000 Vladimir Putin was asked by Larry King about the cross he wears around his neck. Putin was evasive and refused to acknowledge a belief in God. When King pressed him for an answer, he said, I believe in the power of man. He had to give this answer because true-believing Communists in dozens of countries were listening, and he could not let them down.
When Putin first visited Cuba a journalist asked if he was still a Communist. Putin said, Call me a pot, but heat me not. The thing that is most difficult to understand and to relate to readers is that Marxism is two things with regard to two sets of people. Marxism is a lie a deception strategy for the strategists. At the same time, it is a religion to the true believers.
When a Communist revolution succeeds, the regime organizes everything around the concept of maximizing strategic power. Society itself is transformed into a tool of strategy. The true-believer always finds that the final end is not Communist revolution but strategic dominance to the point of universal tyranny. This produces the actual phenomenon of so-called Communist states. And this is, in fact, what Communism actually signifies in practice.
You're such a great analyst, figure it out.
Youre the one defending Russia and Putin who continues to this day supplying arms and support to communist nations.
It might be a good idea for you to go back and read this thread and note who mentioned Putin and when, as well as who defended either and when, then shoot your big mouth off.
Consider this: let's just assume that the EU wants influence (and there's some truth to it), and that this is BAD. Meanwhile, GasPutin and his cronies seek to establish a Russian-run, Eastern European Co-Prosperity Sphere. And this is GOOD somehow. The hypocrisy is monumental.
Moscow Puts the Soviet Squeeze on Neighbor Nations
By Jeremiah Jacques
Putins goal of reversing the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century underpins the bulk of Russian policy. Europe is taking note.
The European Union will hold a summit in Lithuania on November 28 to offer several former Soviet nations economic and association deals under its Eastern Partnership program. Russian President Vladimir Putin wants these nations to instead join the Eurasian customs union that Moscow created with Belarus and Kazakhstan. And he is not above bullying them into joining up.
In August, Russia halted all Ukrainian imports crossing the Russian border for tedious customs examinations. After a week the Kremlin removed most of the restrictions, but said it might permanently reinstate them if Ukraine accepts the EU deal.
Armenia has long been dependent on Moscow for security, and the countrys President Serzh Sargsyan was apparently reminded of this during a September meeting with Mr. Putin. He emerged from the talk saying Armenia would ditch years worth of efforts it made toward joining the Eastern Partnership program, and instead join Russias group.
Meanwhile, in Georgia, Russian forces have worked over the last few months to build barricades along the border of South Ossetia, the breakaway region that Putins forces have occupied since the 2008 war. Georgia sees the barricades as a gradual annexation.
Last month, the Kremlin banned Lithuanias dairy products, and temporarily doubled up customs inspections on the nations other goods. Since Lithuania is already an EU member, the moves are apparently just punishment for its decision to host the upcoming summit.
Then theres Moldova. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin recently said it would be a grave mistake for Moldova to try to build warmer ties with Europe. The impoverished nation is completely reliant on Russian gas for heat, and Rogozin threatened to cut off that supply, adding, We hope that you will not freeze. Russian then outlawed Moldovan wine and brandy, some of the nations chief exports, and said it may ban apples and other produce too. Rumors have also circulated that tens of thousands of Moldovans who hold jobs in Russia may be kicked out, severing the financial lifeline for myriad Moldovan families.
The 20th Centurys Greatest Catastrophe?
The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 reversed a development that had been in the works since the 17th century when the Russian Empire first emerged. This development was the systemic integration and centralization of Eastern Europe, Central Asia, Siberia and the Caucasus. Its core was Moscow. Its goal was challenging European powers.
Although economically brittle, Russian forces were militarily powerful enough to heavily contribute to Napoleons and Hitlers defeats. Russia even held its ground for more than four decades against the mighty United States during the Cold War.
When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Western world rejoiced, heralding it as a victory for liberty, a triumph for democracy, and evidence of the supremacy of capitalism over socialism. Most of the former Soviet nations were optimistic and inspired by goals of rebuilding and democratizing.
But not everyone saw the collapse as a positive event.
[T]he demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century, Putin said in 2005.
The aftermath of the collapse presented hardships, not just for Russia, but also for several of the former Soviet states that initially rejoiced when the ussr fell. Those countries without energy to export suffered a colossal decline in standard of living, followed by a period of economic stagnation.
The strain was enough to nudge some of these nations back into Russias arms, as demonstrated most plainly by the establishment of Putins Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan trade union. Mr. Putin intends the partnership between these three countries to be a permanent feature within the sphere of the former Soviet Union, and is bent on absorbing other nations into it.
Under Mr. Putins reign, Moscow is laboring to recreate the geography of the Soviet Union, and to reassert Russias influence in the region. The goal of reversing the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century undergirds almost every facet of the Kremlins foreign policy. And Russias focus is not lost on Europe.
The Spark to Unite Europe
An increasing number of European leaders recognize Putins determination to recreate the Soviet Unions former glory. Last week, 6,000 nato soldiers participated in drills in Estonia to defend the nation against invasion from a fictional country called Bothnia. The fact that the drillnatos largest in seven yearstook place in one of only three former Soviet states now in the EU demonstrated Europes ongoing suspicion of Russia.
The nato exercise came weeks after Russian troops simulated fending off an invasion of Belarus, a former Soviet country still under Russias sway.
Russia and Europe wield critical influence over each other, which forces them to choose either to respect each other as friends or to compete as foes. For now, the two are mostly cooperating, but Europe is increasingly anxious about the squeeze Russia is putting on its former satellites. This anxiousness was evident in the drills in Estonia. The more pushy and power-thirsty Moscow grows, the more the European nations feel forced to forfeit political and economic autonomy in exchange for the EUs militarily assurance.
What Russia is doing will be the spark to bring the heads of nations in Europe together with the Vatican to form a United Nations of Europe, wrote Herbert W. Armstrong (co-worker letter, Jan. 23, 1980).
Russias belligerence is spawning fear among Europeans that will hasten the rise of a European Union sufficiently unified to confront Vladimir Putins Russia. The more Putin squeezes the former Soviet states in his quest to recreate the former empire, the greater Europes urgency toward this unification will become.
Putin said the re-creation of the Soviet empire is inevitable. ..."
>>>Consider this: let’s just assume that the EU wants influence (and there’s some truth to it), and that this is BAD. Meanwhile, GasPutin and his cronies seek to establish a Russian-run, Eastern European Co-Prosperity Sphere. And this is GOOD somehow. The hypocrisy is monumental<<<
It is called checks and balances. Works in international relations too.
Except that what you are describing is not a check, or a balance. If it is bad when the EU does it, then it is bad when Russia does it.
>>You have the FACTS smacking you right in your idiot face and still you are defending him (KGB Putin). Unbelievable<<
What facts? You are citing unrelates news and quoting lunatics to build up your agenda, which is not actually coming out of said ‘facts’.
It looks like a combination of schizophrenia and senile agitation.
Maybe ETL is a screen name for Juan McCain?
All of your ‘friggin jerk’, ‘idiot’.....I have no idea why are you still tolerated.
You got it all wrong. Let them both do it. Both EU and Russia has legitimate points and they both wrong sometimes. In case of Baltic states and Poland EU influence is good, in case of Ukraine it is bad, because the vast majority of population are pro-Russian etc. Same about EU-Russian trade disputes.
What the hell are you talking about? I've posted dozens of pieces on these various Russia-related threads proving what a piece of crap your boy Putin is. How Russia under him continues to arm and support our enemies. How he has an army of former KGB agents working for him in his administration. How he admires mass murderer Stalin. How he thinks the collapse of the Soviet Union was, at best, a bad thing. How he "eliminates" his political opponents in the media and elsewhere. Why don't you and your fellow Putinites move to Russia if you think it's so great. Or are you already living there?