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A couple desperate to be parents asks: Will you help us pay for fertility treatments?
Post Standard, Syracuse NY ^ | 1/21/14 | By Elizabeth Doran | edoran@syracuse.com

Posted on 01/21/2014 5:22:06 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Frustrated by their inability to have a baby, Roger and Jasmine Hill of Canastota are going public in their effort to conceive a child.

The young couple is asking for donations from the public to help pay for the costly IVF, or In-vitro fertilization, procedure they are hoping to try.

There are incentives for those who help: $100 gets you a copy of the sonogram and a photo of the newborn, $500 gets you in the baby book and $1,000 gets you a T-shirt plus all the other rewards.

Roger, who works at Walmart in Oneida and Jasmine, an accountant in Manlius, have set up a Go Fund Me site "Hope for a Baby Hill" where people can donate money to their cause. In the past two weeks since they started the site, they have raised nearly $900. Their goal is $10,000 by June, and they plan to save and contribute some cash of their own.

"We wanted a baby right away when we got married in June 2010, and nothing has worked,'' said Jasmine Hill. "My goal was to be a mom by 27, and that didn't happen."

Hill, 27, said they've tried fertility drugs and four cycle of (IUI) intrauterine insemination, which was covered by insurance. (IVF) in vitro fertilization -- isn't covered by their insurance and costs more than $8,000, plus follow-up visits. They hope to raise the cash and start IVF in June.

IVF combines an egg and sperm in a laboratory dish, and when successful it is combined with an embryo transfer, which involves physically placing the embryo in the uterus.

To chronicle their journey, the Hills also have started a blog.

The couple also has responded to critics who question their decision to go public.

"We both come from big families, and we really want a child,'' Jasmine said. "Roger has three siblings and I have four. So I got worried pretty quickly when I didn't get pregnant right away. I thought it would be easy."

After tests showed no clear obstacles, they were told they had "unexplained infertility," Jasmine said. She began taking medication to boost her fertility, with no luck and some unpleasant side effects.

"Roger and I have a lot to offer a child,'' Jasmine says. "We go to church, and we are both very active people. We feel like we could really give something to a child."

Roger, 29, agrees. "I love to hunt and fish, and we'd love to have two children to share that with,'' he said. "I'd really like to have a mini-me."

At Christmas, their families always asked about grandchildren. The Hills didn't share their struggle with their parents until they decided to go public.

"It's not just the financial support that matters to us, but it's all the emotional support we're getting by going public,'' Jasmine said. "My friends were against it, and it is a very private thing. But we wanted to do it.

"Infertility is viewed as a disease,'' she said. "But it doesn't mean we are broken. We need to make people more aware of that."

IUI, which they tried, was covered by insurance an has about a 10 to 20 percent success rate based on Jasmine's age. It also was invasive. "We counted and I had to give myself 69 shots for the cycles. Our bathroom was filled with medication and needles."

IVF's success rate is higher, more like 30 to 35 percent, the Hills said.

Although they consider adoption down the road, the Hills want to explore every alternative they can to have a child naturally. Still, they debated the public campaign.

"We had some qualms about doing this, but we both paid for college ourselves and we paid for our wedding and house on our own,'' Jasmine said. "To have to ask for help is hard, but we are so happy we are doing it."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: canastota; fertility; hill; roger
The Sandra Fluke generation. First we had to pay for their birth control, now they expect us to pay for their in vitro fertilization.

I would suggest these two adopt. However, their maturity level and sense of entitlement leads me to believe any kid is better off in a different home.

(Posted under "Culture/Society" per FR guidelines as part of a "Discussion of health.. welfare, drugs... humanity, sports, and other cultural and societal issues.")

1 posted on 01/21/2014 5:22:06 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

Upstate bump


2 posted on 01/21/2014 5:22:51 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Adopt!


3 posted on 01/21/2014 5:22:55 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I thought zero care paid for this.


4 posted on 01/21/2014 5:23:09 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: cableguymn

Zerocare only provides for the prevention or destruction of life.


5 posted on 01/21/2014 5:24:15 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Did dumBO overlook this one in zerOcare?


6 posted on 01/21/2014 5:24:19 PM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

3D printer to make fetus dolls
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24484189/3d-printer-to-make-fetus-dolls


7 posted on 01/21/2014 5:24:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

50 years ago - they could have adopted.

Now, pregnant teenagers keep their babies and make the their kids’ live miserable.


8 posted on 01/21/2014 5:24:49 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"I'd really like to have a mini-me."

all about me

9 posted on 01/21/2014 5:25:08 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan
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To: caver

+1 it worked for my parents and their parents.


10 posted on 01/21/2014 5:25:28 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The directly previous story on the FR forum page:

FAMILY WITH RARE MEDICAL CONDITIONS DENIED OBAMACARE COVERAGE, NOW STRUGGLING

11 posted on 01/21/2014 5:26:36 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

NO! Agree with above, ADOPT


12 posted on 01/21/2014 5:30:27 PM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

lots of kids already in existence need parents that want kids.

i have thought adoption was special because of how God adopts us to be His children.


13 posted on 01/21/2014 5:31:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Let’s take a look at the wife. If she’s hot, I’m pretty sure there’s some guys who’ll help with the “fertility problems”.


14 posted on 01/21/2014 5:31:53 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Post useless without pictures.

Probably a lot of young single men around who would be glad to put something into that fund, and help her out.

15 posted on 01/21/2014 5:32:50 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Get a divorce. Move to California. Claim to be homosexual. Hire your former wife as a surrogate. Get IVF and make a baby. Rinse and repeat for as many kids as you want. Leave California for someplace sane. Re-marry. Live happily ever after.


16 posted on 01/21/2014 5:33:15 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

They sound like lefties. They should adopt a black baby from Africa. It’s all the rage on the left. And Melissa Hyphen-Hyphen won’t bother them if they really are lefties.


17 posted on 01/21/2014 5:34:02 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Not at the top of my list.

No healthy kids available for adoption?


18 posted on 01/21/2014 5:39:51 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
IVF: murdering 6-10 little babies so you can manufacture one.

It's all about adults' wants, not babies' needs.

19 posted on 01/21/2014 5:41:17 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Where have all the flowers gone?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I wonder if she had an abortion at one time....

Having one can make getting pregnant harder....


20 posted on 01/21/2014 5:41:54 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Tell them to eat sweet potatoes like the amish.


21 posted on 01/21/2014 5:52:32 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: KosmicKitty
Now, pregnant teenagers abort their woulda-been firstborns, and second-borns too. And yeah, a lot are still opting to parent without a husband.

That's why there seemingly aren't any newborns available for adoption except for man-on-man partners... apparently the high bidders.

Amazingly, a lot of subfertility is caused by relatively minor hormonal and even nutritional deficiencies. I hope this couple has checked out NaProTech - Natural Procreative Technology, which addresses underling health issues and results in successfully achieving pregnancy naturally.

It costs a tiny fraction of what IFV costs,it doesn't kill your embryonic offspring, and it addresses women's health in a holistic way. It's the kind of advance that actually respects human beings.

22 posted on 01/21/2014 5:55:17 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Where have all the flowers gone?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
feh...
23 posted on 01/21/2014 5:58:03 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

adopt a baby if you are that desperate to have a child


24 posted on 01/21/2014 6:03:21 PM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: KosmicKitty

“Now, pregnant teenagers keep their babies and make the their kids’ live miserable.”

While MTV cameras follow them around...


25 posted on 01/21/2014 6:13:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

4 years later: “Please help us pay for our children’s needs”
6 years later: “Please help us pay for our children’s education.”
Etc.,etc...


26 posted on 01/21/2014 6:18:26 PM PST by jughandle
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If you’re from New York, you don’t even have to donate to help them out financially. Your turn comes when they’re on welfare.


27 posted on 01/21/2014 6:21:22 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Granted, he’s working at WalMart but she’s got a job in MANLIUS as an accountant!!!

And they’re begging for money to help with in vitro?

If they managed their finances better, they’d be able to manage that.


28 posted on 01/21/2014 6:22:25 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I don’t think we would ask for donations, and all of that stuff is expensive. We had a brutal year of medical expenses, and we recovered, but our parents lent us 10k a few months ago. We paid them back last week. My wife is pregnant with twins. Its been a emotionial few years. She had a horrible hernia operation when she was a toddler and corrupted one of her tubes(we found that out together, she was crushed ) When your wife wants a child, you might do anything to give her that expierence of child birth. And we are in the midst of adopting a baby from S. Korea(Mrs. Jrzguy is from S Korean). All I know is we are so excited to have three children in our home within the next 7-15 months. I hope these folks find peace with however the events unfold.


29 posted on 01/21/2014 6:28:53 PM PST by guyfromjrz (fresh breath, it speaks for itself.)
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To: piroque

When they split and she goes after the donor for child support?


30 posted on 01/21/2014 6:39:07 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Hell NO!!


31 posted on 01/21/2014 6:48:11 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

no because obviously they can’t afford it


32 posted on 01/21/2014 6:54:56 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: HonkyTonkMan
"I'd really like to have a mini-me."

all about me

And I'm sure he'll name the poor unfortunate "Jr." Have you ever noticed that women almost never name their female children after themselves? No, it's a male ego thing, pure and simple.

33 posted on 01/21/2014 7:05:11 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: caver

Yes my thought also, adopt! There are so many children in need. Oh and I want a Ferrari, I wanted one as soon as I got my license but Al Gore had not invented the internet yet, can I still ask other people to buy it for me? And I was thinking maybe I might even put in some money of my own.


34 posted on 01/21/2014 7:28:16 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: All
Lots of Ignorance on Parade in this thread. Perhaps you simplistic "adopt a kid" posters might want to look up the costs of adopting in the States and Internationally. Wait, I'll spend the extra 30 seconds and do it for you.

According to adoption.com: Agency and private adoptions can range from $5,000 to $40,000 or more depending on a variety of factors including services provided, travel expenses, birthmother expenses, requirements in the state, and other factors. International adoptions can range from $7,000 to $30,000.

Oh, and let's not forget we're dealing with government agencies who often have the best interests of the biological parents (and occasionally the kids) when people try to adopt. You know, the same government agencies that are regularly lambasted on this site.

Spare us your cliched and unhelpful responses. And unfortunately, the racist comments in this thread didn't help either.
35 posted on 01/21/2014 7:43:06 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: tenger

My wife and I adopted a child three years ago through the state. He was just turning 3, and it cost us virtually nothing.

Sure, if you want that white new born, it will cost you.
If you just want a child to love, it is a lot easier than you might think.


36 posted on 01/21/2014 7:52:10 PM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: Mrs. Don-o
IVF: murdering 6-10 little babies so you can manufacture one.

Have to disagree with you.

Most reputable clinics will not treat the babies with anything but tender care. Implantation does not always take but that is part of nature.

The days of implanting numerous babies in the hope that one takes is a thing of past for reputable places.

And as someone who is trying to adopt I can tell you that it is expensive and risky. Adopting from overseas is even more expensive and risky.

37 posted on 01/21/2014 8:09:55 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: MrNeutron1962

Wife and I both agree. When we adopt the child will be potty trained.


38 posted on 01/21/2014 8:13:36 PM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Call that crazy octomom. She’s probably let a few go about now.


39 posted on 01/21/2014 8:26:48 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: KosmicKitty; caver

I looked into adoption very seriously when my husband and I were trying to have kids, and found that KosmicKitty is exactly right. It’s quite difficult to adopt these days unless you’re willing to take an older child, usually with issues of some kind, or go out of country. (I admire people who will take a kid with issues but frankly that idea scared me to death.) It’s expensive to adopt, as well. When people told me, “You should ‘just’ adopt!” I knew they had never taken five minutes to find out the realities of adoption these days.


40 posted on 01/21/2014 10:15:34 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

After they give birth, then they’ll want the public to pay and pay and pay. I note that they haven’t tried prayer.


41 posted on 01/22/2014 5:21:54 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("When leftists don’t get their way, they start shooting people and bombing buildings." - rr)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Clinics dispose of human embryos in two ways: by multiple fertilization, and then (sometimes)multiple implantation. Even if a particular clinic does not do multiple implantations, they ALL do multiple fertilizations. They have to. They can't have the buyer go through this very burdensome process, paying all that money, without hyperovulation, multiple fertilization, and embryo selection --- so you can select the best embryo and then discard or cryopreserve the rest.

I know what you mean by the daunting difficulties of adoption. We went through a very frustrating process with it, and finally adopted from Russia. The cost? I always tell people "As much as the new siding and windows on our house," which gives them a ballpark figure.

It's very understandable why people are tempted to do IVF, but it's really morally unjustifiable. It demeans the beginnings of life into a commercial transaction and a lab project. The law has already ruled (in the Maryville case) that the embryos are property: the first time human beings have been considered "property" since the Civil War.

42 posted on 01/22/2014 6:53:21 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Where have all the flowers gone?)
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Our adopted son was mostly potty trained. Daylight hours went OK, sleeping, well it was about another year before he was 100%.

We have two older, high school aged children as well. Both are from my first marriage, but my current wife has adopted both of them as well.

43 posted on 01/23/2014 5:34:12 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Clinics dispose of human embryos in two ways: by multiple fertilization, and then (sometimes)multiple implantation.

I understand that. I don't get the objection to multiple fertilization as long as the parents is planing on having them implanted until they are all born.

Most of the time when you are dealing with female fertility issues you are not going to get that many eggs to fertilize.

In the case of male fertility issues I understand they fertilize only some they don't want to have more then can be reasonably carried to term and the rest are frozen. I will admit I don't know that many people in the industry but the ones I do know are quite careful about making sure that the embryos are not discarded but have every chance to grow and live.

There are other clinics that have no problem killing the babies for whatever reason. They are an entirely different kettle of fish.

It demeans the beginnings of life into a commercial transaction and a lab project.

I understand your feeling but have to disagree. It does not demean any more then having a hospital delivery, which is also a commercial transaction, demeans the birth.

The law has already ruled (in the Maryville case) that the embryos are property: the first time human beings have been considered "property" since the Civil War.

Sadly no. People have been considered property for one reason or another many times since the civil war. We move away from the idea and then backslide rather often.

44 posted on 01/23/2014 12:37:48 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
We both deplore the concoction and the disposal of multiple human embryos which is so common in the IVF industry, so we have that in common.

However, with the other issues, you seem to be saying, "OK, it is demeaning, and it does treat the human embryo as product, a commodity, a form of property, but (shrug) that happens a lot, so...?"

(I'm trying not to exaggerate or misstate your comments, but you do indeed say that sometimes childbirth is accomplished in demeaning circumstances --- and human lives are often reduced to property... and... well?

"It [IVF] does not demean any more then having a hospital delivery, which is also a commercial transaction, demeans the birth"

Paying a midwife or OB/GYN for obstetrical services is not in itself demeaning at all. What would be demeaning, is treating either the birthgiving woman or the baby as an object. An embryo not in vivo is treated as if it were a tissue sample, to be evaluated and, if it fails to satisfy certain quality control criteria, discarded. It can't be denied that zygotes are evaluated and, if suboptimal in any way, disposed of. If this were not so, nobody would do IVF.

"People have been considered property for one reason or another many times since the civil war. We move away from the idea and then backslide rather often."

We can move away from it by moving away from IVF.

45 posted on 01/23/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("But is it human?" -- The true test of "humanity" is how humane we are to each other.)
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