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BART: Officer fatality first in agency's history
miamiherald.com/ ^ | Tuesday, 01.21.14

Posted on 01/21/2014 6:05:48 PM PST by BenLurkin

Authorities say a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer accidentally shot and killed a fellow officer Tuesday in the first on-duty fatality in the department's 40-year history.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist

1 posted on 01/21/2014 6:05:48 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Sad


2 posted on 01/21/2014 6:07:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BenLurkin

Confused about taser vs. gun?


3 posted on 01/21/2014 6:08:20 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: BenLurkin

“...Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer accidentally shot and killed a fellow officer...”

“...officers were conducting a probation search at a home in the East Bay city of Dublin when the shooting occurred...”

Transit cops searching a home?


4 posted on 01/21/2014 6:11:47 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: BenLurkin

What is a “probation search” anyway?


5 posted on 01/21/2014 6:12:28 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I’m confused, how do you accidentally pull and then shoot?


6 posted on 01/21/2014 6:13:05 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: BenLurkin

But, they’re trained. How could this happen?


7 posted on 01/21/2014 6:16:05 PM PST by raybbr (I weep over my sons' future in this Godforsaken country.)
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To: BenLurkin

Fresh out of Dogs to shoot?


8 posted on 01/21/2014 6:16:17 PM PST by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory, lasts forever.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Probationers are typically subject to warrantless searches without probable cause.”


9 posted on 01/21/2014 6:17:41 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

“This is a Taser. This is my Gun.
The Taser is for Humans.
The Gun is for Dogs.”


10 posted on 01/21/2014 6:18:16 PM PST by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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To: Paladin2

OK - I found this:

To assist probation officers and parole officers with their supervision and to aid in the general law enforcement need to curb recidivism, many states require parolees and probationers to agree that their conditional release will be subject to curtailment of their normal Fourth Amendment protections. Typically, the released convict agrees to submit his person, property, and residence to warrantless, suspicionless search and seizure by any correctional or law enforcement officer for the duration of the probationary or parole term.


11 posted on 01/21/2014 6:20:12 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Dunno, but it sure sounds like they weren’t on BART property.


12 posted on 01/21/2014 6:21:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: smokingfrog

SO if there was a probation violation at the time — will this probationer get charged under the “felony murder rule”?


13 posted on 01/21/2014 6:24:01 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Blue on blue, must be confusing for you...


14 posted on 01/21/2014 6:24:26 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: null and void

LoL


15 posted on 01/21/2014 6:29:36 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: BenLurkin

Beats the heck out of me.


16 posted on 01/21/2014 6:29:39 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BenLurkin

What is a transit cop doing conducting probation searches?


17 posted on 01/21/2014 6:33:18 PM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Fido969

No one handcuffed, unarmed, and lying face down on the ground to shoot in the back?


18 posted on 01/21/2014 6:36:22 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: BenLurkin
Unexpected.

...

It's not like it's happened before.

19 posted on 01/21/2014 6:40:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Transit cops searching a home?

Obviously you don't live in the People's Democratic Republic of California, it's routine here, unless you have the Gay exemption.

20 posted on 01/21/2014 6:43:41 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: BenLurkin

At least it’s another officer and not a random bum on the platform.


21 posted on 01/21/2014 6:49:45 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Autonomous User
Fresh out of Dogs to shoot?

Maybe the guy who pulled the trigger felt the other one dissed him obliquely.

22 posted on 01/21/2014 6:51:27 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: BenLurkin
will this probationer get charged under the “felony murder rule”?

That would be a logical result. 20 years ago it would not but now it would.

23 posted on 01/21/2014 6:53:32 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: BenLurkin

what a frickin genius


24 posted on 01/21/2014 6:53:54 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: null and void

Double LOL


25 posted on 01/21/2014 6:56:03 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: BenLurkin

disarm the police, dogs and innocent people will live safer.


26 posted on 01/21/2014 7:02:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BenLurkin
proof only cops should have guns... wait, nevermind

but on the bright side, at least ONE of them got to go home safe that night

27 posted on 01/21/2014 7:06:52 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Fido969; Repeal The 17th; smokingfrog
Better info from SFGate.com

Nelson said the shooting happened after several BART officers went to an apartment in a modern complex of three-story buildings to perform a search for a man suspected of committing a series of robberies on BART property.

According to law enforcement sources, the suspect was already in custody, having been arrested recently.

The officers - all of whom wore bulletproof vests, but were not part of a SWAT team - forced entry into the apartment, Nelson said, before "one officer fired a shot which fatally struck another officer.

28 posted on 01/21/2014 7:11:01 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: Repeal The 17th; FreedomStar3028; smokingfrog; BenLurkin; Fido969; Navy Patriot; MrShoop
Post 28 by Mr. Shoop explains more. "Nelson said the shooting happened after several BART officers went to an apartment in a modern complex of three-story buildings to perform a search for a man suspected of committing a series of robberies on BART property."
29 posted on 01/21/2014 7:29:38 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: BenLurkin

No.


30 posted on 01/21/2014 7:31:08 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Chode

I don’t see a bright side here.


31 posted on 01/21/2014 7:32:51 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: arthurus

+1


32 posted on 01/21/2014 7:41:45 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Respond Code Three
According to law enforcement sources, the suspect was already in custody, having been arrested recently.

You're not helping.

33 posted on 01/21/2014 7:41:53 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: MrShoop
The officers - all of whom wore bulletproof vests, but were not part of a SWAT team - forced entry into the apartment, Nelson said, before "one officer fired a shot which fatally struck another officer.

Dog-faced officer got shot? Or maybe the officer was laying on the floor so his back was an enticing target.

34 posted on 01/21/2014 7:48:53 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Respond Code Three
unfortunately, my point was all too often we hear after a needless/reckless shooting/killing of an innocent civilian/bystander that "You & your partner went home safe - that's all that matters!"
35 posted on 01/21/2014 7:51:23 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: BenLurkin

BART PD has been famous in the Bay Area for about 6 or 7 years for being a Troubled Department.


36 posted on 01/21/2014 7:58:24 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

New Years Day BART shooting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKKQ-gzc_Yw

They unprovokedly shoot a guy proned out on the floor.


37 posted on 01/21/2014 8:00:03 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

looks like he thought he drew a taser...this is why you might want to consider not carrying the taser on the same side as the one that goes bang.


38 posted on 01/21/2014 8:22:25 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: gaijin
BART PD has been famous in the Bay Area for about 6 or 7 years for being a Troubled Department.

BART PD has been "troubled" with reckless killing since the day they were created.

One of their first public services was to shoot a local world class neurosurgeon through the head in the Daly City station because he had a holster on his belt.

His cellphone, in the early days when they were fairly large.

BART started out killing San Francisco's finest.

39 posted on 01/21/2014 8:39:30 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I was drawing attention to the information which explained why BART officers were searching a home.

It might not have been known to the officers that a suspect was already in custody, but even then, there could have been evidence at the home linking him to the crimes. A phone call to a friend could have resulted in the disposal or destruction of evidence. When they entered the house, they could not know whether or not there might be someone else in the house.

40 posted on 01/21/2014 11:11:12 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Chode

Sorry then. I didn’t interpret it as sarcasm. It would have been small comfort for someone to tell me that “at least you can go home tonight” if I had shot someone who was innocent. I would have regretted it, and relived the image, every day for the rest of my life.


41 posted on 01/21/2014 11:17:33 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three
proof you are an honest and moral man...
42 posted on 01/22/2014 4:44:19 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: BenLurkin

He was probably “resisting’ by asserting he was a BART police officer. He was being ‘uppity.” He probably expected them to stop their attack on him which riled up the cops. One positive - there were no seeing eye dogs on the platform to shoot.


43 posted on 01/22/2014 4:51:48 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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