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A New York State of Mind: Illiberal Liberal Values
Townhall.com ^ | January 22, 2014 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/22/2014 7:04:04 AM PST by Kaslin

On paper, "liberal intolerance" is something of an oxymoron, like "jumbo shrimp," "loyal opposition" or "conspicuous absence." But what makes oxymorons funny is that they are real things. There are jumbo shrimp. Absences can be conspicuous, opponents can be loyal, and liberals can be staggeringly and myopically intolerant.

Last Friday, in a public radio interview, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo offered the sort of potted analysis of the national Republican Party one would expect from an MSNBC talk show. But he went a bit further. After nodding to the fact that, historically, the New York state Republican Party has been the most ideologically gelded of the breed (it is the birthplace of Rockefeller Republicanism, after all), Cuomo proclaimed that "extreme conservatives" have "no place in the state of New York."

Who are extreme conservatives? People who are "right-to-life, pro-assault weapon, anti-gay."

It's an interesting -- and repugnant -- tautology: Extremists hold extreme views, and we can identify extreme views by the fact they are held by extremists.

Of course, Cuomo frames the matter to his benefit. Opposing same-sex marriage -- the mainstream Democratic position not long ago -- is now anti-gay. Being in favor of gun rights is pro-assault weapon (whatever that means).

Most vexing and revealing, however, is that Cuomo doesn't even bother to wrap opposition to abortion in scary adjectives. Simply believing in a right to life is extremist, and such extremists have "no place in the state of New York." Cuomo claims that he was being taken out of context. He was talking about "extreme" Republican politicians, not average citizens. Fair enough.

Still, given that Cuomo is the scion of one of the most famously Catholic families in America, it's a pretty remarkable statement.

Imagine how much smoke would emanate from the liberal outrage machine if, say, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said that "extremist" Democrats who support gun control or oppose gay marriage or abortion rights "have no place in the great state of Texas."

As my National Review colleague Kathryn Lopez notes, this is an extraordinary evolution from the time when Mario Cuomo occupied the governor's mansion. The elder Cuomo pioneered the notion that politicians could be personally pro-life while in all other ways pro-choice. In his famous (infamous to some) 1984 speech at the University of Notre Dame, he advised the Roman Catholic Church to be "realistic" on abortion in the same way the church had been in the 19th century on the issue of slavery.

"It is a mark of contemporary liberalism's commitment to abortion," Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book, "The Party of Death," "that one of its leading lights should have been willing to support temporizing on slavery in order to defend it."

As many pro-lifers suspected, being "personally opposed" to abortion but supportive of it in every legal and political way was always something of a rhetorical safe harbor rather than a serious intellectual position. In the time span of one generation, as the political climate became more supportive of abortion -- as it has in New York, thanks in part to the diligent work of the "personally" pro-life Cuomos -- the once-safe harbor of personal opposition to abortion is closed, at least rhetorically.

Of course, liberal intolerance isn't rhetorical or limited to hot-button issues; it is woven into mainstream liberal policymaking. The Supreme Court is now pondering whether nuns -- celibate, elderly nuns -- have the right to opt out of Obamacare's birth-control requirements.

New York City recently banned the use of e-cigarettes indoors as yet another "anti-tobacco" measure (in the words of Reuters), even though "vaping" involves no smoke, no tobacco and is often an invaluable tool for quitting real cigarettes. The real driver of the ban is the smug intolerance of a New York City Council that sees no reason to accommodate people who want to live in ways it disapproves of.

And it's not just policymaking either. Liberalism has a culture all its own. From cities like New York; Madison, Wis.; and San Francisco to countless college campuses in between, that culture can produce people as judgmental as the old Church Lady character from "Saturday Night Live." They'll be judgmental about different things, to be sure, but every bit as intolerant.

Tolerating opposing views and lifestyles is an abstract liberal value when politics demand it (which is why Cuomo will have a very hard time if he wants to run for president of a nation that doesn't see eye to eye with him). But given a free hand, liberal intolerance all too often ceases to be an abstract oxymoron and becomes a lived reality.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: andrewcuomo; cuomo; homonaziagenda; liberalfascism; liberalintolerance; liberals; prolife; regressive; regressives; regressivism

1 posted on 01/22/2014 7:04:04 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Most vexing and revealing, however, is that Cuomo doesn't even bother to wrap opposition to abortion in scary adjectives.

He "corrected" that yesterday so now instead of right-to-life the official term in the State of New York is anti-choice.

2 posted on 01/22/2014 7:14:55 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Kaslin

Not sure “liberal” is even a legitimate term anymore. “Progressive” and “communist” are more appropriate.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 7:18:43 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Kaslin

“that culture can produce people as judgmental as the old Church Lady character”
There is nothing or nobody as judgmental as liberals. The whole point of government is to judge how things should be and with liberals the more government the better. They judge what everybody should have. They judge that some people don’t have enough. They judge that somehow they have been cheated. athey judge that others have too much anbd then judge how much should be taken from them,
Government is force and control. And the execution of force and control is preceded by judgment.
Liberal do judge everythig. Consider that the Bible says judge not. How could it be otherwise than the antiGod forces being full time flouters of this commandment.


4 posted on 01/22/2014 7:19:04 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: KarlInOhio

With this New Climate Change Cumo is going to lose more and more people.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 7:19:45 AM PST by scooby321
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To: Kaslin
On paper, "liberal intolerance" is something of an oxymoron

Only if "liberal" isn't just a label the left slapped on a can of communist.

6 posted on 01/22/2014 7:20:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin
Liberalism has a culture all its own. From cities like New York; Madison, Wis.; and San Francisco to countless college campuses in between, that culture can produce people as judgmental as the old Church Lady character from "Saturday Night Live." They'll be judgmental about different things, to be sure, but every bit as intolerant.

Liberals ARE the ones they've always hated...

7 posted on 01/22/2014 7:23:04 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Kaslin

The article is unfortunately absolutely right on the money. I am reminded of the Biblical passage from Romans 1:28-32 -

“And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

We are in serious trouble when even those who profess belief in God advocate acts and behavior that is adamantly against His moral law.

I doubt seriously that Cuomo really believes in God and just uses his Catholicism for voter appeal, but there are many, many others who go to church, even attend theologically conservative churches, who believe the same things Cuomo believes regarding abortion and homosexuality, and, particularly gun-control.


8 posted on 01/22/2014 7:23:16 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Kaslin
Liberalism has a culture all its own. From cities like New York; Madison, Wis.; and San Francisco to countless college campuses in between, that culture can produce people as judgmental as the old Church Lady character from "Saturday Night Live." They'll be judgmental about different things, to be sure, but every bit as intolerant.

Liberals ARE the ones they've always hated...

9 posted on 01/22/2014 7:23:24 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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10 posted on 01/22/2014 7:24:54 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kaslin


11 posted on 01/22/2014 7:36:00 AM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

This picture is so real, in an unreal sense.

But look at the real thing, from the Virginia legislative session a few years ago.

Yes, the new face of the democrat party: http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/795041.jpg


12 posted on 01/22/2014 7:40:39 AM PST by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: ryan71
“Progressive” isn't even an appropriate term. They are regressive. They type of society they worship would make Europe's feudal system look “Progressive” by comparison.

Oh, there would be more freedom to flaunt your sexual perversions, for sure, but far less economic freedom than what your typical serf, circa 1400, enjoyed.

13 posted on 01/22/2014 7:44:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Exactly. So-called “progressives” want society to “regress” to Ancient Rome.


14 posted on 01/22/2014 7:53:47 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Kaslin

How sad for New York. This year we Floridians will welcome the influx of large numbers of disgruntled New Yorkers increasing our population larger than that of NY State.
P.S. 6-7% sales tax,no income tax,excellent hospitals and healthcare,stand your ground law,and the only time you need a shovel is after you shoot.


15 posted on 01/22/2014 7:53:57 AM PST by managusta (The first sign of maturity is the discovery that the volume knob also turns to the left.)
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To: ryan71

I never use liberal anymore, the ‘rat party hasn’t been “liberal” in decades. They are leftists to one degree or another, but they are not liberal.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 7:54:30 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

Their faces are always filled with hatred and anger.


17 posted on 01/22/2014 7:54:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Iron Munro

Who runs the Church in New York? Why have we not heard from them?


18 posted on 01/22/2014 8:11:40 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: ReformationFan
Even Ancient Rome was more "progressive" that what many of today's progressives worship. For one thing, their engineering was excellent. Look at the Appian Way or the Roman Coliseum.

Can you imagine anything the Stalinist progressives have built still being in similar condition in 2000 years?

Modern "progressive" Gods are more on the level of Molech or Baal.

19 posted on 01/22/2014 8:20:16 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: edcoil

Your point is well taken. Cardinal Dolan and his bishops have the unpleasant but necessary duty to speak truth to power. They might want to read the biographies of Thomas Becket and Thomas More to see how it was done. When they accepted high
ecclesiastical office, they accepted the duty to confront such behavior for the good of the Church and to show proper example to the faithful.


20 posted on 01/22/2014 8:25:51 AM PST by allendale
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To: ryan71
Not sure “liberal” is even a legitimate term anymore. “Progressive” and “communist” are more appropriate.

I pulled this quote off of a recent thread:

Whether you label it “progressivism,” “socialism,” “communism” or “fascism,” it’s all just the same collectivist tyranny, varying only by degrees of bloodshed and fashion choices. - Kurt Schlichter

21 posted on 01/22/2014 8:59:46 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: ryan71

Yeah ... “progressive”, as in cancer is a progressive disease.


22 posted on 01/22/2014 9:03:56 AM PST by glennaro
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To: VRW Conspirator
Whether you label it “progressivism,” “socialism,” “communism” or “fascism,” it’s all just the same collectivist tyranny, varying only by degrees of bloodshed and fashion choices. - Kurt Schlichter

+1

23 posted on 01/22/2014 10:10:14 AM PST by ELS
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