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Grenades, .50 caliber machine guns on U.S. border
WND ^ | Jan. 20,2014 | F. Michael Maloof

Posted on 01/22/2014 7:31:23 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

WASHINGTON – Mexican drug cartels are “killing each other” with .50-caliber machine guns and grenades just across the U.S. border with Mexico, sources have told WND.

The gun battles are occurring near Fort Huachuca, Ariz., which is the location of the U.S. Army Intelligence Center and school.

The Army center is 15 miles from the Mexican border, but the installation runs up against the border.

A source associated with the center said that only a “three-strand barbwire fence” is keeping any spillover of heavily armed cartel members out of the compound.

Students at the post have had only basic training and haven’t handled weapons beyond the M-16, which shoots a 5.56 mm round, roughly equivalent to a .223 caliber, which is less than half the size of the .50 caliber.

The episode is the latest flare-up in what American ranchers living along Arizona’s southern border say is a virtual war zone.

Mexican drug lords rule in the U.S. border regions and “we’re living by the law of the cartels,” one American rancher said.

The ranchers recently blasted the federal government for failing them, warning that the chaos spilling from Mexico is “putting U.S. national security at risk.”

Mark J. Dannels, sheriff of Cochise County in Arizona, said border security “should be a primary issue even before we talk about immigration reform.”

Dannels has spent 25 years in law enforcement along the border.

In a Facebook report on the latest incident, Dannels said the violence is occurring in Agua Prieta Sonora, Mexico.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aguaprieta; aliens; banglist; borderwars; grenades; huachuca; maduce
“Reports of the death toll range from 8-13 people, none of whom are listed as U.S. citizens.”
1 posted on 01/22/2014 7:31:23 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: HiJinx

ping


2 posted on 01/22/2014 7:36:11 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Big cartel fight coming, that is for sure, and the ‘losers’ will flood north and the winners will, too.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 7:39:07 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SwinneySwitch

Not sure if it’s that bad, but Texas has it’s own problems with violence across the border.


4 posted on 01/22/2014 7:41:06 AM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

“.223 which is less than half the size of a .50 BMG.”

Should I laugh or cry? To illustrate the difference between these state the difference in mass—the 50 cal is 10x’s more massive. Or one can talk about penetration, where the 50 can pass through 6 residential homes before running out of gas.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 7:41:49 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: SwinneySwitch

As long as its drug punks, it’s a good report.....!


6 posted on 01/22/2014 7:51:33 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

As long as its drug punks, it’s a good report.....!


7 posted on 01/22/2014 7:51:41 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: SwinneySwitch; SandRat; HiJinx

Former 35D/35E and MICCC grad from Fort Huachuca. Sad. Very pretty in Sierra Vista. Had breakfest at Cafe Ole with Sandrat once.


8 posted on 01/22/2014 7:53:14 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Must be the .50 caliber show loophole.


9 posted on 01/22/2014 7:54:06 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SwinneySwitch
none of whom are listed as U.S. citizens.

Exactly what zero & justus want to happen.

Then the defecation will really engage the rotary object.

10 posted on 01/22/2014 7:54:47 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Hulka

Uh, washington is the cartel, they are weeding out those who do not play along.


11 posted on 01/22/2014 8:04:10 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: Fido969

Or, proving the link between the Mexican army and the cartels.


12 posted on 01/22/2014 8:05:17 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: aces

Not sure what you are saying.

Cartels are fighting for control south of the border, fighting to control that portion of the southern border and its smuggling routes.


13 posted on 01/22/2014 8:09:32 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SwinneySwitch

2 x M-16 = 1 x M-2...?

I’ll have to remember that...!!


14 posted on 01/22/2014 8:10:54 AM PST by gaijin
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To: nonsporting
Should I laugh or cry? To illustrate the difference between these state the difference in mass—the 50 cal is 10x’s more massive. Or one can talk about penetration, where the 50 can pass through 6 residential homes before running out of gas.

In the following video, eight .50 cal armor-piercing rounds stacked on top of each other penetrated 12 inches into a pressed earth wall 18 inches thick. Sandbags would probably be less resistant to multiple stacked rounds, but it's clear why some kind of soil-based barrier is the basic building block of even the crummiest infantry fortifications.

15 posted on 01/22/2014 8:13:33 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Hulka

I am saying all of that is a deception, the us federal gangsta imports oil tankers full everyday through our ports...does anyone truly believe that some poor mexicans with backpacks can supply the tonage use everyday?
Its all money and we are not aware of our governments deeds.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 8:13:38 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: aces

Please provide a link where I can read about tankers that arrive everyday full of illegal drugs.

Thanks.


17 posted on 01/22/2014 8:16:31 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

You never will...our covert ops are black.


18 posted on 01/22/2014 8:17:42 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: aces

Please let me know how you know about them if it is a cover-up/black-op of some sort.

Seriously.


19 posted on 01/22/2014 8:19:10 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SwinneySwitch
Always something, you know?

A naked muslim stuck in a Jersey municipal water treatment pipe one week, this South of the Border fun the next to add to the growing list from all the weeks prior.

Probably just coincidental, but when I look at these events with my frequently intermittent 20/20 hindsight glasses, these things all look similar somehow. Hmmmm...

Great...now that CCR song about a bad moon risin' won't stop replaying in my head. Always something...

20 posted on 01/22/2014 8:21:32 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Hulka

I have known people in the business by association as i was into playing music in my youth, ,who were busted for 140 tons and 4 tons of coke, all protected by agents.. they gave him up because he was getting out of control, gary is now dead, 20 years in rikers, got out and died the next week. Gary was a real scumbag, deserved what he got. I have no evidence...but know it is true.

It is not possible to supply the us with back packers.


21 posted on 01/22/2014 8:26:54 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: aces

Okay, so you are taking the word of a convicted drug smuggler, sent to prison over 20-yrs ago.

Go it.

But then again, the lack of proof PROOVES how good the cover-up is.

So, wink-wink-nudge-nudge-say-no-more, your public revelation of a secret US operation where the US government daily ships tankers full of illegal drugs into the US will remain a secret. . .just between us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRZ0dIvwHY


22 posted on 01/22/2014 8:33:16 AM PST by Hulka
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To: nonsporting
Should I laugh or cry?

Indeed...


23 posted on 01/22/2014 8:34:35 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Hulka

No problem, close your eyes and rest easy.


24 posted on 01/22/2014 8:35:47 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: GBA

The Rising of the Moon - Irish folk song about the 1798 Rebellion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0zBlHlnR4Y


25 posted on 01/22/2014 8:37:43 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Prayer: beyond your expectations!)
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To: aces
Uh, washington is the cartel, they are weeding out those who do not play along.

Which might have something to do with the border remaining unsecured since Eisenhower.

26 posted on 01/22/2014 8:38:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: aces

Will do. . .and thanks for spilling the beans about a totally secret black op, hidden for decades (and remains so), involving literally hundreds of thousands of people, from senior US officials, longshoremen, tanker crews, the Coast Guard, news media, not to mention the shipping country point of origin (we all know they can keep a secret).


27 posted on 01/22/2014 8:41:54 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Charles Martel

Nice pool table...


28 posted on 01/22/2014 8:45:35 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from my back door.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Smells like BS


29 posted on 01/22/2014 8:45:45 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: SwinneySwitch; SandRat

As usual, WND is a day late and a dollar short.
The gun battle took place in Agua Prieta, across the border from Douglas, AZ and over 50 miles from Ft. Huachuca.

The Post boundary does not abut the border, even though we have illegals crossing through the Post routinely on their trek northward.

The soldiers here are trained on more than just the M-16, thank you very much.

And the Cochise County Sheriff’s Office has already taken steps to guard against a spill-over of this violence.

For those who care, check out last week’s thread on this topic. It’s in the Arizona sidebar and is on the ‘aliens’ keyword search page.


30 posted on 01/22/2014 8:49:02 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from my back door.)
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To: Hulka

No problem my friend, believe as you will, I certainly have no proof so I can see why you feel that way and respect it. I just know what we are being fed is rediculous. Be my luck they will knock me off now, oh well heaven awaits...smile.. yea gary told me he received shipments of that size weekly to supply the east coast, ports would change between houston, phili, and new york...hope I am wrong, but doubt it.
Peace to you.


31 posted on 01/22/2014 8:49:02 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: caver
From Monday's thread: Yup. Spoke to someone from AP today. The cartel decided the guy they put over AP needed to go and he and his boys are fighting it out with the new guy. They expect it to last about a week. Supposedly trying to keep the regular folks out of it but they have been advised to be inside by sundown.

AP is the Mexican town of Agua Prieta.

32 posted on 01/22/2014 8:51:46 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from my back door.)
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To: HiJinx

The chineese want mexico unstable...they are movin in.


33 posted on 01/22/2014 8:58:59 AM PST by Therapsid (i)
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To: HiJinx

I agree that they are fighting but with .50 cals and grenades?


34 posted on 01/22/2014 9:06:08 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver

They moved the Intelligence Command Headquarters and School from Fort Holibird partially because the Bird was not secure due to a rail road line and Colgate Creek running through the middle of the Fort. Now they only have a barbed wire fence between the Fort and the Mexican Cartels. What a major improvement!LOL


35 posted on 01/22/2014 9:20:26 AM PST by cotton
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caver:" I agree that they are fighting but with .50 cals and grenades? "

The .50 cal is to "reach out and touch someone"..
the grenades are for when they come too close,
and you want to "send them the very best" (wishes?)../sarc

36 posted on 01/22/2014 9:34:43 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: caver

Yes, those weapons are in use. The Cartels are supplied with the very best ordnance drug money can buy.

But I think my comment earlier was to point out the error of the WND story. They said that our soldiers at Ft. Huachuca are only trained on the M-16, and that just isn’t true.


37 posted on 01/22/2014 9:37:06 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from my back door.)
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To: cotton

U.S. Border Patrol agents work on Ft. Huachuca.
Kinda gives you an idea of the situation...


38 posted on 01/22/2014 9:43:23 AM PST by HiJinx (I can see Mexico from my back door.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
the M-16, which shoots a 5.56 mm round, roughly equivalent to a .223 caliber, which is less than half the size of the .50 caliber.

Well, maybe a .223 cal is "less then half the size", but the "comparison" ends right there...

.223cal/5.56mm - 2960 fps (14" barrel M-4, 55 grain bullet) = 1,070 ft/lbs muzzle energy

.50 cal - 3155 fps (24" barrel, 650 grain bullet) = 14,367 ft/lbs muzzle energy

The first one will make a hole in your leg, the other one will take your entire leg off.

Somehow or other, those intel folks at Ft. Huachuca (with basic training) seem a bit outgunned?

39 posted on 01/22/2014 11:19:25 AM PST by Gritty (Nobody wants to hear about American exceptionalism when the issue is American ineffectualism-MSteyn)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I am not saying at some point this might not get closer to Ft Huachuca, but now it is 50 miles away in and/or near Agua Prieta, Mexico.

As this continues, smuggling routes near Douglas that are already very bad areas will get worse with smugglers likely attacking smugglers from a different cartel. Ft Huachuca is more likely to experience some of these incidents than the main shootout that has been going on in Agua Prieta.


40 posted on 01/22/2014 11:32:07 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: Hulka

Though I do not believe the regular tanker drug shipments as part of our government black ops story I do believe large amounts of money go through a chain of our authorities and politicians and some goes all the way to D.C. I think this is drug money and payola for allowing illegals to come here as well. For the illegals there is also tons of campaign money for politicians from large businesses so cheap labor stays plentiful. I firmly believe that is the real reason our borders are not secure, and we tie the hands of CBP to make it happen.


41 posted on 01/22/2014 11:40:03 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

” I firmly believe that is the real reason our borders are not secure,”

Perhaps, and possibly why we have all this talk about amnesty.

“and we tie the hands of CBP to make it happen.”

I know from speaking with my son (a Border Patrol Agent) and his co-workers, their hands are not tied. Each night they go out into their AOR and go where they want and anticipate/intercept/detain and deport hundreds of illegal aliens. They are in no way “tied” in where they can go. They go where they want and capture as many as they can. . .too include hundreds of ‘pack-mules’ (illegal aliens) toting a 50lb backpack of dope on their back. And those hundreds are part of a single ‘group’ among many.

So, in his AOR alone, literally hundreds and hundreds flow north with dope on their backs. This means we can extrapolate that thousands move north each night and are not captured.

They may be detected, and most illegal aliens back-packing in dope are, but with only 20,00 Border Patrol Agents in the BP, they are not catching all that they see. . .physically impossible.

Packing in dope is now the usual way illegal aliens pay for their coyote escort, not cash.


42 posted on 01/22/2014 12:09:55 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

I say their hands are tied because when political winds change so do the rules, it is all political and not about shutting down the border to illegal activities. There are also issues of morale of officers when decisions are made after they detain drug smugglers or illegals as to which ones they will prosecute and which will be deported or given a court date which is often the same as turning them loose since most do not show up for a court date.

My brother in law retired from CBP, I knew many of the officers then and know many currently working very well. Last week one was very angry because a person he detained a while back from South America was not held because holding facility for deportations by airplane was overcrowded. The person was put on the street to appear in court later but didn’t. People are not always charged for using false ID/documents, which should be a serious offense on the border or away from it...there are many things going on in the system that are not right. If we were serious about this as a country these things would not happen but they do over and over.

I don’t know how long your son has been working, but I can tell you there is a time in most CBP careers when they feel they are used because there is no firm commitment from the country/politicians for what they are asked to do. The administration now and most previously as well do not really have their back as they should. Securing our borders should be a top priority and it is clearly not. Politics should not guide our decisions and actions in securing our borders, but clearly they do.

CBP works very hard and most are straight up great guys. Up the chain from the guys on the ground, not so good, politics is in play instead of securing our border.


43 posted on 01/22/2014 3:40:16 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: SwinneySwitch
“three-strand barbwire fence”

There's your national security for you.

44 posted on 01/23/2014 7:20:11 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Tammy8

Thanks.

I am sure you know CBP officers are not Border Patrol Agents. They work totally different places.

I will now provide a short review so others may understand.

CBP officers work the POE while Border Patrol Agents work between the POEs, out in the boonies.

The work environment is totally different, as are the leadership and mission, work challenges and uniform (Blue for CBP and green for Border Patrol Agents).

The rules change, meaning the direction from the white hut, that is true, but the Border Patrol Agents that are out there in the middle of the desert (primarily) have a mission to perform and they execute the mission with zeal. No hand tying of the Agents in the field.

The AUSA in the various districts have an unwritten policy. . .less that 500lbs and no prosecution, and if the Border Patrol Agent can’t say specifically this 50lb backpack belongs to that specific illegal alien, then there is no prosecution. So, imagine a group gets busted and the illegals drop their loads and run. Let’s say all illegals in the group are captured and all the bundles of dope are found. . .can the Border Patrol Agent say this specific bundle belongs to that specific illegal? No, he can’t and it is absurd to expect that, but that is what the AUSA wants, otherwise, no prosecution. Outrage.

Given that situation, the illegals the Border Patrol capture in the field, a vast majority of them are deported within hours.

This is way different from ICE and CBP cases because when they catch someone, they are able to easily say the driver was this guy and he had dope in his car. The criminal was found in possession of the dope.

And yes, my son has been in for a long time.

Like you, I have no love for the DHS/CBP/BP leadership in Wash DC.


45 posted on 01/23/2014 3:12:06 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Technically both CBP officers and Border Patrol Agents are CBP, under Homeland Security structure but you are correct that the jobs are separate. I tease them all the time that they were married when they both were put under Homeland Security/CBP but it must not be a happy marriage since they don’t live (work) together. I was talking about both at times and likely didn’t make that clear. I am more familiar with Customs but of course where I live I also interact with Border Patrol nearly daily, and know some of them pretty well.

When I say their hands are tied by politics I don’t mean daily on the job. What I mean is to me the goal of both should be to secure the border. Politically that is obviously not the goal from our so-called leaders, it is not the goal of many Americans either. If we elected a man tomorrow that absolutely committed this country to securing the border it would be secured. The reason it is not is because that would be political suicide. Our so-called leaders no longer think about what is best for this country and our citizens, they only think short term what will get them votes. Laws are not enforced because business wants cheap labor and they make huge campaign donations to make sure laws concerning illegals are not strictly enforced. When it comes to drugs coming into this country money talks to a lot of people up the food chain. There is not the will to do what is right about the border from the top.

Most Border Patrol and Customs both (usually after retirement they speak more freely) tell me the job is great, they loved it but politics got in the way time and time again of them doing their job as good as they felt they could have. Something can be working great and then it will be changed by decisions made up the food chain to do things that don’t work or don’t work as well. Both jobs have major frustrations. I am glad your son is happy, I wish he and all those working on our borders had more support from our leaders and citizens.

I think the current administration is the worst ever for border issues but none have been totally committed either.


46 posted on 01/23/2014 8:46:04 PM PST by Tammy8
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