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The Real Reason Why Rove Went Into Denial on Election Night (Tried to save face with GOP donors)
Newsweek ^ | 1/21/14 | Pema Levy

Posted on 01/22/2014 7:52:47 AM PST by jimbo123

On Election Night 2012, Democrats had more than the reelection of President Obama to celebrate. Karl Rove, the mastermind Republican strategist hated and feared by Democrats, had a meltdown live on Fox News.

A new documentary, "Mitt," Greg Whiteley's film of Mitt Romney and his family during his 2008 and 2012 presidential bids, released on Netflix on Friday, sheds more light on that bizarre incident.

Rove's famous hissy-fit took place when the network called the state of Ohio for Obama, putting the president over the 270 electoral votes needed to win reelection. Rove argued that Fox's analysts had acted prematurely.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


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It's clear Karl had his Ohio hissy-fit because he knew his donors would cut him off in the future after squandering their millions of dollars in donations to American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS.
1 posted on 01/22/2014 7:52:47 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Rove, please get lost.

The USA has had enough of your nonsense.

And please bring back American businesses.


2 posted on 01/22/2014 7:54:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: jimbo123

I know that it is the conventional wisdom for people on this board to attack Karl Rove, but why are we supposed to trust Newsweek magazine?


3 posted on 01/22/2014 7:58:15 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jimbo123

True, true. But I’ve also had enough of Ohio, too. There is no ‘there’ there.


4 posted on 01/22/2014 7:59:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: jimbo123

Rove had the right model, but he was about an hour or two behind the curve. Those of us who were running speadsheets at home as the county numbers came in knew it was over.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 8:00:26 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A thoughtful comment. Thank you.


6 posted on 01/22/2014 8:01:26 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: jimbo123

And Fox keeps putting Rove and Carville on the air.


7 posted on 01/22/2014 8:01:41 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jimbo123
Rove is a HUGE disappointment. Considering how poor his track record, it is amazing he still wields so much power. This shows how weak the GOP truly is. We have no other talent in the wings to replace this loser.
8 posted on 01/22/2014 8:02:07 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Fido969

Rove had the same numbers you did at the same time you did. He just wanted them held back for P.R. purposes.


9 posted on 01/22/2014 8:03:06 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Not to say anything for or against Rove, but I’d not trust Newsweek to accurately report the time of day.


10 posted on 01/22/2014 8:04:04 AM PST by jdege
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To: SoFloFreeper

Karl Rove is a GOPe turd. He won’t go away because the moneyed interests that guide the Rockefeller Republicans love him - and he loves their money.


11 posted on 01/22/2014 8:04:08 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: jimbo123

Rove’s organizations must be running behind on their fundraising efforts—time for them to get the mainstream media ginned up.


12 posted on 01/22/2014 8:04:50 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: jimbo123

Rove is the best democrat I know.


13 posted on 01/22/2014 8:05:23 AM PST by Rapscallion (Had enough? Let me know.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

And you trust Karl Rove? The guy who took hundreds of millions of dollars in donations and converted it into failed advertising, advertising commission kickbacks and crony consulting fees instead of on-the ground GOTV efforts to turn out the base?


14 posted on 01/22/2014 8:06:55 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: SoFloFreeper

Why would we trust Newsweek or Karl Rove?


15 posted on 01/22/2014 8:08:33 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: jimbo123

It’s a sad truth, jimbo, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 8:08:39 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Fido969

Right model with wrong results? How does that work? LOL


17 posted on 01/22/2014 8:09:46 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: Chgogal

Rove the joker of Corporate Cronyism


18 posted on 01/22/2014 8:10:33 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: jimbo123
It's clear Karl had his Ohio hissy-fit because he knew his donors would cut him off in the future after squandering their millions of dollars in donations to American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS.

Don't worry about Karl, he kept plenty of that money for himself.

19 posted on 01/22/2014 8:10:36 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: jimbo123

I think we’d all love for Rove to “get lost.” The only problem is, you have douche bags like Sean Hannity who give the guy a platform:

“And here is, ‘The Architect’ Karl Rove! How are you my friend?”

On the rare instances I listen to Hannity’s dumb radio show, he’s usually going out of his way to remind us all what good friends he and Bob Beckle are. Maybe Rove can take Hannity with him.


20 posted on 01/22/2014 8:11:29 AM PST by Artcore
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To: stocksthatgoup; SoFloFreeper

Well deserved


21 posted on 01/22/2014 8:14:03 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Fido969
Plus, I don't think anyone calculated the level of fraud which was swept under the rug. We live in a fairly GOP leaning precinct (1500 or so RVs) and I've always been able to forecast statewide results fairly accurately by subtracting 18.4% from the GOP total here to reproduce the GOP total statewide.

My MOE has always been less than 0.5% using a somewhat modified formula of the 18.4% rule. It is a simple modification to account for regional biases-- candidates from this part of the state always run ahead of those from elsewhere regardless of party label. It correctly forecast that Toomey's U.S. senate election in 2010 would be a squeaker and that he would win by a considerably smaller margin than Corbett for governor.

It showed other amazingly accurate tracking results dating back to 2004, when we first volunteered to be poll watchers and I first begin checking data in our precinct vs. statewide.

In 2012, everything still tracked quite closely for the statewide races except one: the top of the ticket and it was way off . . . so far off that the chances of massive unprecedented fraud were very nearly 100%.

Our precinct is very well run and the Judge of Elections whom I am replacing ran a very good show. So the problem aren't the stats we generated, they are what went on statewide.

22 posted on 01/22/2014 8:14:37 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Artcore

Karl Rove is an architect at channeling his donors money into advertising on liberal media tv and radio stations as well as into media buying agency commissions and crony consulting fees.


23 posted on 01/22/2014 8:15:58 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123; TigersEye; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

It’s clear Karl had his Ohio hissy-fit because he knew his donors would cut him off in the future after squandering their millions of dollars in donations to American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rove is almost entirely responsible for the 2012 election debacle for the GOP.Why?

Rove related to the election in the pre computer age when it had become the comouter age. Obama and his election machine used computer networking and local polling to know exactly where to target his money and workers in key electoral districts at the local level.

Obama’s election machine out strategized and out maneuvered Rove. Rove still is a loser.The GOP lost both the 2007/8 and the 2012 election at the hands of the Rove machine. The only reason Rove escaped responsibility was that he was not the public leader of the GOP election effort, his personal
work was as a back room boy who clearly did not know that times had changed and that he himself had become a dinosaur.

Karl needs to take a bow, and a kick in the a$$, and get out of town and let smarter and more computer saavy conservatives who are grass roots workers ( Tea Party)take over the GOP election machine.

No longer is it possible to win on fundraising alone. The wet interface is where its at,where the “community worker meets the road” and Rove has become a useless idiot.Actually worse than useless, he is actually damaging the nation by holding on to his control far too long.

Meanwhile the democrat 2016 eklection machine is up and running while Rove and his fellow dinosaurs are still sitting on the can having a shite and playing with himself.


24 posted on 01/22/2014 8:18:16 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Fresh Wind
Don't worry about Karl, he kept plenty of that money for himself.

In the political arena, Rove displays the ethical compass of an illegal arms dealer.

25 posted on 01/22/2014 8:18:59 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: jimbo123

Poor little Karl has lost his way...bah bah bah...
Freegards
LEX


26 posted on 01/22/2014 8:21:50 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SoFloFreeper

Thats what I was thinking
Newsweek ? I wonder if they have an agenda

Like it or not we would have all been better off if Romney had won.

Im sick of the lets hate the republicans BS

Exactly what good does it do?


27 posted on 01/22/2014 8:22:58 AM PST by woofie
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To: stocksthatgoup
Right model with wrong results? How does that work? LOL

Incomplete information. Rove's issue wasn't that he made a claim that Romney won, his assertion was that it was too early to call the election.

However, when Rove made that statement, enough information was in to see that there was no practical way Romney could have gotten the electoral votes to win.

28 posted on 01/22/2014 8:22:58 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: jimbo123

Karl Rove is an architect at channeling his donors money into advertising on liberal media tv and radio stations as well as into media buying agency commissions and crony consulting fees.
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LOL...yep!


29 posted on 01/22/2014 8:24:59 AM PST by Artcore
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To: woofie

So, you assume all Republicans are alike? That as long as someone has an “R” after their name, that’s all that’s necessary?


30 posted on 01/22/2014 8:25:02 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: jimbo123

If people “squander” their money supporting Karl Rove why should I care?

FR has turned into a bunch of mindless bashing which helps who exactly?


31 posted on 01/22/2014 8:27:02 AM PST by woofie
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To: COBOL2Java

Ask yourself this

Would Ronald Reagan spend his time bashing Karl Rove?

I think not


32 posted on 01/22/2014 8:28:21 AM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

This is no longer Reagan’s Republican party. It is full of Vichy Republicans who work for the statists. Stop living in the 80’s.


33 posted on 01/22/2014 8:29:56 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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Did any of you PAY ATTENTION to election night? I'm not defending Rove but he had every reason to be skeptical of the numbers. Most of the swing states like Florida and Ohio were still in play when Obama was all but coronated by the media.

The Kenyan was never re-elected without HUGE amounts of fraud. Even Rove's magic calculator couldn't account for all that.

Also, notice he was excoriated by the lib media for doing so.

34 posted on 01/22/2014 8:30:13 AM PST by abishai (Hello Jane!!! I miss you.)
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To: Chgogal
Considering how poor his track record, it is amazing he still wields so much power.

Not if you consider the possibility that the men that fund Rove and the GOP have goals other than what is publicly understood.

35 posted on 01/22/2014 8:32:43 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: jimbo123

Karl Rove and his ilk are almost enough to make me think about supporting publicly financed campaigns.

Almost.


36 posted on 01/22/2014 8:42:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Chgogal

Have you forgotten the toesucker?


37 posted on 01/22/2014 8:44:47 AM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: jimbo123

The 2012 election night was a disaster for Pubbie pundits/commentators. Several well-knowns had predicted a blow-out defeat of Obama. By midnight, they were eating crow.

How could so many supposed experts be so wrong?


38 posted on 01/22/2014 8:51:41 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jimbo123

His boss, Roger Ailes(sp?) is reported to have known Obama had won by 5pm on election day as did most insiders. Heck, I am a political amateur and I knew it a week in advance by looking at state polls and coming up with 290 ev for Obama, 20 more than needed. They gotta keep the tv viewers in suspense to get the ratings.


39 posted on 01/22/2014 8:51:50 AM PST by red river jack
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To: SoFloFreeper

Because we have a mutual enemy apparently. Just go with it. :)


40 posted on 01/22/2014 8:51:53 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: SoFloFreeper
but why are we supposed to trust Newsweek magazine?

For one thing, I was one of many thousands who watched Rove's hissy-fit LIVE on FoxNews.

I remember him huffing to the statistics room, which was located a distance from the news room. A cam followed him most of the way.
41 posted on 01/22/2014 8:56:53 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jimbo123

Exactly.

The pundits/commentators/polsters continued to get their paychecks, even as the GOP lost.


42 posted on 01/22/2014 8:58:46 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: woofie
Im sick of the lets hate the republicans BS

Well, what do they stand for?

Used to be lower taxes and small government. Instead, they are more interested in legalizing millions of illegals and helping Obamacare, as more bailouts are given to their cronies. And they like the status quo -- they still get their turn at the money troughs, even as the minority.

When the 'republican' party starts acting like the opposition party, they might find more respect. Until then, they are little more than the Dem-lite party.
43 posted on 01/22/2014 9:06:10 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Artcore

Good point...its the glad handing of Kommie Karl by Hannity and VincenteFox News that is the problem...

Rove is a complete political disaster for the GOP...yet Faux Cons still give him a platform


44 posted on 01/22/2014 9:34:27 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“...VincenteFox News...”

LOL! I have to remember that one...funny!

I haven’t watched Fox in a couple years. Get 99% of my news from FreeRepublic. If only we could get the low information voters to regularly come to this site for their news. I can dream!


45 posted on 01/22/2014 10:12:45 AM PST by Artcore
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To: COBOL2Java
This is no longer Reagan’s Republican party. It is full of Vichy Republicans who work for the statists. Stop living in the 80’s.

Actually, it was never Reagan's Republican party. If you remember, the Vichy Republicans fought and undermined him every step of the way.

46 posted on 01/22/2014 10:26:03 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: jimbo123

The BIGGEST mistake made in 2012 was selecting Mitt Romney as the republican candidate for president.


47 posted on 01/22/2014 10:54:16 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: TomGuy

They overestimated the intelligence of the electorate?


48 posted on 01/22/2014 11:00:27 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: zeugma
Actually, it was never Reagan's Republican party. If you remember, the Vichy Republicans fought and undermined him every step of the way.

Excellent point. They were the reason "Poppy" was forced on his ticket.

49 posted on 01/22/2014 11:14:25 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: jimbo123

50 posted on 01/22/2014 2:47:40 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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