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Supreme Court to Decide If One Person Can Buy Gun For Another
Fox News Insider ^ | January 22, 2014 10:24 AM | Fox News Insider

Posted on 01/22/2014 4:33:05 PM PST by Mad Dawgg

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To: 1rudeboy

Confused?

In case you misunderstood me (dont know how) Yes this is a Evil Court

Supports the murder of God`s unborn children, the banishment of God/Christ and His Word from classroom/public square

And Homosexual marriage, just to get started, I got more


51 posted on 01/22/2014 6:56:33 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: sergeantdave
"Two, no need to call a person names while we sort things out,"

Post 37 :Your entire statement is French surrender monkey BS."

Your blabbing about 99.9999% accomplished is stupid.

Hypocrisy much?

Two words: "Off" and "F***"

you can figure out the order and omissions, if not get an adult to help you...

52 posted on 01/22/2014 7:00:13 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: editor-surveyor
"This country is beyond hope.

yup! ---> Warantless Invasion of Financial Advisor's Home Reveals No Weapons, Just Ammunition

53 posted on 01/22/2014 7:04:46 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

“Hypocrisy much?”

Mad Dawgg, we’re trying to sort out various comments in this thread. If you want to hate, go ahead. I don’t hate you. If you’re upset that I told you to F off, I’m sure I can find a less vituperative comment. Give me a few minutes. In the meantime, try to tone the hate. You’e acting irrational.


54 posted on 01/22/2014 7:12:55 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
"You’e acting irrational."

hahaha sorry but I gave you back what I got in kind.

BTW you still have not come up with evidence of your claim are you trying to deflect now or is it just further evidence of your limited understanding of the printed word?

55 posted on 01/22/2014 7:16:35 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Lets say Palmetto State Arms had AR15 lower receivers on sale for $89.00. I tell my brother. He says to get him one too. I charge both of them to my credit card.

When they come in to my FFL dealer we both go to transfer them into our names.

NICS is taking 45 minutes per transfer because it is a Friday after 4PM.

My dealer says that if I want, I can save some money and transfer them both into my name and instead of both my brother and I having to pay $25.00 each for the transfers, I can transfer both into my name for $25.00 for the first gun and $8.00 for the second gun. Total cost $33.00 instead of $50.00, plus the dealer doesn't have to sit on hold for another 45 minutes or longer to make the second transfer.

Penna. law allows me to transfer a long gun to another person without going through a FFL dealer.

MY brother and I both are CCW permit holders.

So, if I were to do this, it would be illegal?

The BATFAGS can go F@ck themselves along with congress and their 68 GCA.

What they can't stand is that they don't know that my brother is the owner of a unregistered AR.

What is the difference if I held this lower receiver for two hours and then asked my brother if he wanted to buy it?

56 posted on 01/22/2014 7:33:28 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: sergeantdave
Do you really think that patriots hang out in large cities?

Do you think they're utterly absent?
No; it's about control and perception. — Remember that to the statists perception is more important than reality.
(Remember that militia case, "Huataree" I think it was.)

You don’t know squat about military operations.

Granted; I was only an E-4, I never had to deal with logistics.
But if you're saying that American soldiers would never be the aggressors on their fellow citizens, you are woefully ignorant of history, because they did it to their own fellow-veterans.

57 posted on 01/22/2014 7:36:17 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: metalurgist
"What is the difference if I held this lower receiver for two hours and then asked my brother if he wanted to buy it?"

Because the federals want to know where each and every gun is so when the SHTF they can target the individuals who have means to oppose them.

58 posted on 01/22/2014 7:47:01 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: sergeantdave; Mad Dawgg
Mad Dawgg: “Ahh but you see you don’t have to do such.”
Mad Dawgg: When you make it mandatory to register all weapons and then make it illegal to sell guns to citizens and then make it illegal to transfer guns as gifts the gun problem is fixed bit by bit AND in 40 to 50 years is 99.9999% accomplished.
Mad Dawgg: No all-at-once-massive-gun-grab is needed. The anti gun asswipes win by attrition.

sergeantdave: Your entire statement is French surrender monkey BS.
sergeantdave: You don’t register weapons in war. Do you understand that we are at war? I don’t think you do. Your blabbing about 99.9999% accomplished is stupid.

Not really; with the NSA, FBI, and IRS hooks in general-communication, finance, and general social-mapping records they have a defacto registration. Yeah, they can say they aren't breaking the law by having a database for firearms, but they can generate all the requisite data from their giant data-centers.

And what is the purpose of registration? To find who has firearms. Attacking the capability to resist is the fundamental concept of war — and you say we're in a war, so how can you deny that the enemy would want to deny the means of resistance?

The other thing that our enemy wants is the ability to appear to be "the good guy", if there's violence he wants to be able to say "I'm the authority, so I must be the good-guy." This is why, I think, there's been so much pushing against general American values &mdsh; once someone lashes out they can claim to be the ones attacked.

59 posted on 01/22/2014 7:49:19 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
My guess is they will eventually stop with trying to outlaw guns and use the Obamacare model instead and use taxes and loads of red tape to put gun ownership out of reach just like the already did with automatic weapons.

Then they will complicate the process to the point it will be near impossible to comply without risking a federal felony.

They will do it is small baby steps A.K.A. the Overton Window approach...

In fact I think such an operation has been in effect for several years.

60 posted on 01/22/2014 7:57:13 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg; metalurgist
>> "What is the difference if I held this lower receiver for two hours and then asked my brother if he wanted to buy it?"
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> Because the federals want to know where each and every gun is so when the SHTF they can target the individuals who have means to oppose them.

They already have the tools to do most of this; the NSA's data-/communication-harvesting, combined with the IRS's access to financial records/assets, and the FBI's social-network mapping (see also this)

And remember the bonus army when people say it can't happen here and American troops won't fire on citizens.

61 posted on 01/22/2014 8:04:31 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2banana

Has gun buyer identification been brought to SCOTUS since prohibition of voter ID becoming normalized?


62 posted on 01/22/2014 8:09:17 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
They will do it is small baby steps A.K.A. the Overton Window approach...
In fact I think such an operation has been in effect for several years.

I think you're right; I believe they've been doing this constantly.
(Sandy Hook may've been a test-operation to see if they'd "moved the window" enough.)

Then they will complicate the process to the point it will be near impossible to comply without risking a federal felony.

It already is. See Three Felonies a Day.

My guess is they will eventually stop with trying to outlaw guns and use the Obamacare model instead and use taxes and loads of red tape to put gun ownership out of reach just like the already did with automatic weapons.

That's my supposition, too.
They can set it up as a "technical violation"/amnesty contract type deal wherein you are effectively admitting guilt and waiving the right to jury-trial.
Given the general acceptance of denying felons rights, they probably won't get a lot of blow back if the pick up a few "technical-felons" at a time.

63 posted on 01/22/2014 8:12:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“buyer’s intent to resell a gun”

Guns, being the most durable of goods in our society, may very well be purchased with the intent to sell some years or decades hence. In fact, the imputation may be made that ALL gun purchases are done with “intent to resell” (if for $0), as short of extreme cases the gun WILL outlast the owner. The question, as asked, places no upper limit on the timeframe of “intent”.


64 posted on 01/22/2014 8:16:04 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Ya...and what did they have to pay Randy Weaver in the end? And Randy Weaver was what now? He was found what in court?


65 posted on 01/22/2014 8:30:04 PM PST by crz
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To: Mad Dawgg

Besides that..where in the hell did I say anything about sawed off shotguns? Weaver got into it by trying to sell a sawed off shotgun AFTER they showed him where the hell to saw it off at.
I WILL give anything I want to who I want to have it. END OF STORY! Got it?


66 posted on 01/22/2014 8:39:06 PM PST by crz
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To: crz
"Ya...and what did they have to pay Randy Weaver in the end? And Randy Weaver was what now? He was found what in court?"

Randy himself got like 100K and was found guilty of one count, failure to appear, for which Weaver was fined $10,000 and sentenced to 18 months in prison. He was credited with time served plus an additional three months, and was then released.

Good deal ehh? Got a prison sentence a 10k fine and two family members killed but hooray he got 100k for his trouble.

If you ever meet Randy ask him which he would rather have that 100K or his family back...

67 posted on 01/22/2014 8:41:03 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

EVERYBODY should be responsible for their own actions.


68 posted on 01/22/2014 8:45:11 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Actually I have met him. And he wonders why your federal government agents havent been charged with MURDER!

And there is a WHOLE lot more to the story than that. In fact, he was set up and they murdered his wife...for one. Oh yes. Your brave federal agent couldnt tell through the scope...you might know the rest of the story if you cared.


69 posted on 01/22/2014 8:47:45 PM PST by crz
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To: Mad Dawgg

Besides that DAWG..WTF is your problem? You a gubermint plant or something?


70 posted on 01/22/2014 8:48:52 PM PST by crz
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To: digger48

My s/s Ruger Mark II (with matching scope) will beat your Browning. Still a cool gun though.


71 posted on 01/22/2014 9:07:24 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS)
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To: unixfox

“EVERYBODY should be responsible for their own actions.”

And that’s the way it USED to be, but lawyers need to earn a living! /s;)


72 posted on 01/22/2014 9:46:01 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Repeal The 17th

So... who goes to jail for running guns under Fast and Furious?


73 posted on 01/22/2014 10:03:14 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: crz
"Besides that DAWG..WTF is your problem? You a gubermint plant or something?"

you know after reading your last few posts it sets up a conundrum in my mind.

How could anyone with such a limited amount of understanding operate a standard computer...?

Tell the truth now. Your mommy is helping you type this on the big computer... right?

74 posted on 01/22/2014 10:19:00 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Randy Weaver's wife and son were killed over 200 bucks due to Uncle Sam.

Actually, they were killed because Weaver wouldn't roll over and inform on neighbors and associates who were suspected of being raycists. The charge of manufacturing a short barreled shotgun was supposed to be the leverage by which they controlled Weaver, but he wouldn't play their game and just went home. No doubt someone in the BATF took offense at the refusal of their 'generous' offer to become a snitch. Call a spade a spade.

75 posted on 01/22/2014 11:33:30 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Revolt is coming.


76 posted on 01/23/2014 3:28:22 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Coming?

There's already been some revolting posts on this thread.

77 posted on 01/23/2014 3:40:58 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501

It is on its way then!


78 posted on 01/23/2014 3:42:58 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Mad Dawgg

It’s legal whatever they say.


79 posted on 01/23/2014 4:40:23 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: crz

“”Laws are made to be broken. And in the case of this one if not properly ruled, will be broken. I will give, whatever I want, to who ever I want, if they are fit to hold it.

Eff Them. All of Them.””


Thanks for saving me some typing.....


80 posted on 01/23/2014 4:45:15 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Thanks for the ping, Blood of Tyrants.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

81 posted on 01/23/2014 5:31:39 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

This should not even be a Court issue. Once again, the bastard in the White House marches forward to try and remake America into a Marxist state.

WHEN will this bastard be impeached???????


82 posted on 01/23/2014 6:09:01 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: bigbob

That is imperfect because here BOTH parties were legally able to own a firearm.

They should loose this one, but given the composition of the Court and the fact that Roberts is Obama’s lapdog, means its open to dispute.


83 posted on 01/23/2014 6:10:49 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Dont you love how the question is phrased whether the court will decide should it be legal or not, rather than whether the constitution gives the federal government such power?


84 posted on 01/23/2014 6:19:55 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Makes me think YOU were that agent that murdered Randy Weavers wife.
Must be a real big brave, man sitting drunk behind your keyboard.


85 posted on 01/23/2014 6:28:18 AM PST by crz
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To: Smokin' Joe
"Actually, they were killed because Weaver wouldn't roll over and inform on neighbors and associates who were suspected of being raycists..."

No, see you can't legally shoot someone or arrest them for NOT being an informant. They were killed because of a stupid 200 dollar tax which gives the BATF the power to kill without concern for the Constitution.

None of the people who violated the Weaver's Constitutional Rights ever suffered a single "legal" consequence.

People saying they will "give guns to who ever they please" no matter what the laws say are doing two things.

1. They are showing the really don't understand the situation.

2. They are further showing their ignorance by declaring such openly on a website that is guaranteed to be monitored by the very folks that enforce those laws.

86 posted on 01/23/2014 6:28:39 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: andyk

Overton Window


87 posted on 01/23/2014 6:32:15 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: digger48
"....Browning Nomad .22 for High School Graduation in '74."

High Standard .22 for college graduation in '73.

Looks a lot like the Nomad....not quite as "raked".

88 posted on 01/23/2014 6:53:29 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: PubliusMM; Repeal The 17th

“...Society’s unconscionable ne’er-do-wells will continue to share their hardware on an adhoc basis....”

Which begs the question... what happens to their little schemes when we hold up a middle finger ALL become “ne’er-do-wells”...? I’d say they’d have a REAL problem.

But “ALL” is a big word. There will always be the gutless, the easily-intimidated, and the collaboration-prone... but - have these types never existed before, throughout history? No. They’ve always been with and among us - the folks who, instead of raising the middle finger, put a finger to the wind and watch intently to see which color flag they should hang from their window...

This country - and OUR people - was born because a percentage of the population - OUR ancestors - decided to become those “ne’er-do-wells” and they backed it up with the only response that coercive force ever understands.

If that will is present in a percentage of us, then “they” can never win. If that level of determination is missing... well then, say goodbye to Hollywood, as the song says.

For the record, I believe it’s still here.

For me...I’m an American; “I was born an American, I live as an American, and I’ll die as an American, and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that capacity to the end of my days...”


89 posted on 01/23/2014 6:53:40 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Mad Dawgg; crz

Stand down, please, you two. We need to be united, not bickering over minutiae. Just trust me here.


90 posted on 01/23/2014 6:57:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Rodamala
So... who goes to jail for running guns under Fast and Furious?

This is how Eric Holder would do this:

1) You pay taxes, do you not?
2) My Fast and Furious Gunwalking program to Mexican drug gangs was run by the BATF and was approved by my DOJ.
3) We can operate only because you pay taxes to keep us funded.
4) Therefore, you are ultimately to blame. We will charge you with "Funding a Terroristic Ongoing Criminal Enterprise."

91 posted on 01/23/2014 7:01:26 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
That this case has made it to the freakin' Supreme Court says all we need to know about where our country is. Land of the free? Nope. Home of the brave? If we were still the home of the brave, we wouldn't be reading about this case making it to the Supreme Court. This will be another mild test about the concept of the, 'consent of the governed.'

Should the ruling go the wrong way, we'll yawn and think of clever work-arounds like selling the gun for a dollar, or some such. But why should we have to even think of such things? It's because we have the government we allow, and deserve.
92 posted on 01/23/2014 7:01:59 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Yikes, I might be a felon.


93 posted on 01/23/2014 7:07:26 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: AD from SpringBay; Lazamataz
"It's because we have the government we allow, and deserve."

So true it hurts.

And my greatest fear now is for this country to revert back to Constitutional Law, such will require a total collapse of the current form of government.

And being a parent that scares the hell out of me.

94 posted on 01/23/2014 7:16:37 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Resolute Conservative
"Yikes, I might be a felon."

Sadly, I think that is the ultimate goal of the Politiclowns.

Its very hard to control an free and innocent citizen. BUT make the things that make him free, illegal and you can control his every waking moment.

95 posted on 01/23/2014 7:18:56 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Don't live in fear; enjoy what is. Our projectors are broken, we have NO CLUE what will happen. Neither do they, although they think they do.

If you live in fear, you will miss out on your life as you constantly live in an uncharted future.

Live in the Eternal Now, but, of course, take prudent measures to prepare for whatever comes. We have insurance policies on our houses, our cars, don't we? Take out insurance.

Suit up, show up, and leave the results in God's hands.

96 posted on 01/23/2014 7:19:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Mad Dawgg

“...This country is beyond hope....”

Editor-surveyor, that’s not the first time I’ve heard that sentiment. I know it may look that way, but from my viewpoint, I’ll tell you this:

No, it isn’t.

It’s only “beyond hope” when everyone gives up.

Times and people change. Little things - sometimes, the most seemingly insignificant events - sway great movements of people.

If study of history proves anything, it’s that periods of time are a pendulum, and it will always swing to either extreme.

We’ve had it good for a long time; that “time of plenty” was bought and paid for by the lives and blood of people that lived, loved, and believed in America and in the American Ideal, and were willing to pay for it with the rest of their tomorrows.

Those “tomorrows” are today. Here. Now.

Every generation gets it’s chance to prove it is worthy of that cost; sometimes the chance is blatant, other times not so much and it passes unnoticed. And when it goes by unnoticed, the successive opportunity, or opportunities become even more critical - because those that want to TAKE from you always grow bolder; they are never satisfied, and they equate a lack of resistance with a lack of courage.

We’re in such a time now, and we’re being tested. We as a Nation and a People, have been there before. How we respond - Our generation - what we do, how we behave, whether we stand or buckle - determines more than just the outcome; it determines whether successive generations will live in peace, prosperity, and the American Dream that was left to us to protect, or not.

All you can do is know where you stand, what you’re willing to do - or not willing to do - and back it up if and when the time comes. That’s your part in this drama. That’s ALL of our part.

Find your line in the sand, define it, and be willing to stand on it. Or not. That’s the choice.

French resistance writer Jean Dutourd once wrote: “In the end, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau.”

Seems to me, each of us need to determine which of those two choices we are willing to live with.


97 posted on 01/23/2014 7:26:25 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 1rudeboy

It is not the same Court.


98 posted on 01/23/2014 7:27:35 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Actually, the right to own a gun, transfer said, or gift said, supersedes any manmade law. It is a basic human right regardless what any blackrobed pimp says. People, organized crime holds power now, but it won’t last forever.


99 posted on 01/23/2014 8:42:13 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Don’t forget the converse either. The largest military organization in the world tried to pacify America once before and it didn’t work out too well for them.


100 posted on 01/23/2014 8:46:53 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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