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Blimplike surveillance craft set to deploy over Maryland heighten privacy concerns
Washington Post ^ | January 22, 2014 | Craig Timberg

Posted on 01/22/2014 9:45:45 PM PST by Seizethecarp

The aerostats — that is the term for lighter-than-air craft that are tethered to the ground — are to be set aloft on Army-owned land about 45 miles northeast of Washington, near Aberdeen Proving Ground, for a three-year test slated to start in October. From a vantage of 10,000 feet, they will cast a vast radar net from Raleigh, N.C., to Boston and out to Lake Erie, with the goal of detecting cruise missiles or enemy aircraft so they could be intercepted before reaching the capital.

Defense contractor Raytheon last year touted an exercise in which it outfitted the aerostats planned for deployment in suburban Baltimore with one of the company’s most powerful high-altitude surveillance systems, capable of spotting individual people and vehicles from a distance of many miles.

The Army said it has “no current plans” to mount such cameras or infrared sensors on the aerostats or to share information with federal, state or local law enforcement, but it declined to rule out either possibility.

The aerostats planned for Maryland will have radar capable of detecting airborne objects from up to 340 miles away and vehicles on the surface from up to 140 miles away — as far south as Richmond, as far west as Cumberland, Md., and as far north as Staten Island. The Army declined to say what size vehicles can be sensed from those distances.

For the Raytheon test, the MTS-B spotted a person pretending to be a terrorist planting an improvised roadside bomb, even though the view was obscured by smoke from a nearby forest fire, according to a Raytheon news release from January 2013. Operators could see live feeds of “trucks, trains and cars from dozens of miles away.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: Maryland; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aerostat; blimp; drone; surveillance

1 posted on 01/22/2014 9:45:45 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

We live in the airspace exclusion zone for the Fort Huachuca aerostat. We also have a tent over the hot tub! ;-)


2 posted on 01/22/2014 9:49:45 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Seizethecarp

“The Army said it has ‘no current plans’ to mount such cameras or infrared sensors on the aerostats or to share information with federal, state or local law enforcement, but it declined to rule out either possibility.”

Barry “has a pen and a phone...”


3 posted on 01/22/2014 9:50:01 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Probe droids?


4 posted on 01/22/2014 9:53:23 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: Seizethecarp; Travis McGee

It’s a proven concept that, in warfare, whoever controls the airspace controls the outcome.

The government controls our domestic airspace in a way that (for now) precludes either hiding effectively, or easily fighting back.

I wonder what that means, going forward. I’m not ruling out unobvious and nonsymmetrical ways of fighting back.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 9:55:28 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Maryland ? What other nation does Maryland share a border with ?

We need these on the Southern Border between the US and Mexico.


6 posted on 01/22/2014 10:00:48 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: UCANSEE2

You, my American FRiend, are the terrorist they want most to watch. ;-)


7 posted on 01/22/2014 10:02:59 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Wow. What a clever idea. Aerostats. I'm surprised no one ever thought of it before.


8 posted on 01/22/2014 10:05:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Nervous Tick

That’s why I always wave at the sky when I’m outside.


9 posted on 01/22/2014 10:07:48 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Nervous Tick
We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files.
10 posted on 01/22/2014 10:07:57 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: NonValueAdded

rofl


11 posted on 01/22/2014 10:11:13 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

I just realized that’s the NSA’s motto.


12 posted on 01/22/2014 10:14:15 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: NonValueAdded

>> I just realized that’s the NSA’s motto.

Simian and Garfield were ahead of their time. ;-)


13 posted on 01/22/2014 10:16:02 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Is that balloon Russian?


14 posted on 01/22/2014 10:41:05 PM PST by Rockpile
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To: Nervous Tick

How well do you think that blimp would do with several large holes in it?


15 posted on 01/22/2014 10:45:11 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: NonValueAdded

I need to get that ASCII code lol


16 posted on 01/22/2014 10:53:43 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Seizethecarp; null and void

Just need at little SIR deployed -— I imagine they’re worried about cruise missiles from Russian subs but this isn’t the 1980’s.

Hmmmm...(adjusts tinfoil)


17 posted on 01/22/2014 10:55:16 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Seizethecarp

“...so they could be intercepted...”

With what? A sternly written letter? Some clipped-haired, mean-faced “female” TSA supervisor?


18 posted on 01/22/2014 10:55:54 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Seizethecarp

19 posted on 01/22/2014 11:00:40 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
beamed eighth notes

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20 posted on 01/22/2014 11:06:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: NonValueAdded


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21 posted on 01/22/2014 11:17:54 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Seizethecarp

>20 replies, woo-hoo! We might make it past 50 before somebody sees the first word of the headline (BLIMP) and finds some lame excuse to bring up a certain portly, loudmouthed Governor from a certain east coast state. That same Gov. in the middle of a nothingburger fake scandal about a bridge.


22 posted on 01/22/2014 11:28:03 PM PST by lee martell
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To: UCANSEE2

There is one out side Yuma AZ.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 1:45:37 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Right Brother

The blimp would turn into a blump.


24 posted on 01/23/2014 1:48:52 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: F15Eagle

Looks like a huge Manatee!


25 posted on 01/23/2014 1:49:56 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Seizethecarp

26 posted on 01/23/2014 1:50:39 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Rockpile

“Is that balloon Russian?”

Apparently. However tethered balloons were used during the Civil War.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 2:06:43 AM PST by NathanR
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To: F15Eagle

How will this do in bad weather? The US Navy abandoned their airship program after two horrific losses. These things are severely limited by flight conditions


28 posted on 01/23/2014 3:20:22 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: UCANSEE2

Oh, silly person. What a concept. People crossing our southern border? Gotta watch for all those desparate fanatical Virginians crossing the Chesapeake from the Northern Neck. OTOH, keeping watch on Biden’s people coming over from delaware does have its meteris. Any state that would elect him has to have more than a few people with loose screws.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 3:44:38 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Aircraft collisions? 10,000 ft.? Scary.


30 posted on 01/23/2014 3:47:54 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Jimmy Valentine

They don’t fly -they’re tethered to their ground control station.


31 posted on 01/23/2014 3:52:58 AM PST by Justa
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To: Seizethecarp

Just ask the British who had their homes targeted with infrared to detect heat escaping from their Windows and were fined for wasting energy.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 4:03:48 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: Seizethecarp

Put the blimp up after 2016.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 4:06:39 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Seizethecarp

I guess they read that the Iranians announced they are sending warships to the Atlantic Ocean to patrol our East coast


34 posted on 01/23/2014 4:07:38 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: Justa

They may be tethered, but they are still subject to weather conditions. High winds play havoc with the tethers, attachment points and anchoring


35 posted on 01/23/2014 4:23:34 AM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Justa
"They don’t fly -they’re tethered to their ground control station."

Yes like the barrage balloons during the second World War. But they don't do well in say strong wind, snow or icing conditions. Never mind that they will be a rich target for any bored hunter with a high powered rifle.

36 posted on 01/23/2014 7:59:12 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

At 10,000’ and supposedly bullet proof fabric I don’t see a hunter shooting one down unless he has a howitzer. Something like one of these flew over Camp Victory, Baghad when I was there. Even though we took lots of rockets and small arms fire on base it was never shot down to my knowledge.


37 posted on 01/23/2014 8:03:58 AM PST by Justa
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To: Right Brother; Justa

Per the article:

“Even a rifle shot through an aerostat will not bring it down, because the pressure of the helium inside nearly matches the pressure of the air outside, preventing rapid deflation.”


38 posted on 01/23/2014 9:31:02 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“Even a rifle shot through an aerostat will not bring it down, because the pressure of the helium inside nearly matches the pressure of the air outside, preventing rapid deflation.”


39 posted on 01/23/2014 9:31:53 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

With no men on board I doubt they’re too worried. They’d just track it and shoot it down if it got away and was a potential flight hazard.


40 posted on 01/23/2014 10:51:04 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: NonValueAdded

Bump


41 posted on 01/23/2014 8:40:36 PM PST by foxfield (Support the Tea Party. The Tea Party supports you.)
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To: Seizethecarp; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


42 posted on 01/24/2014 9:19:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Rockpile
Is that balloon Russian?

Here's a clue. The word 'aeroflot' is Russian.

43 posted on 01/25/2014 6:50:35 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Rockpile

Oops. Meant to say ‘aerostat’. Doesn’t matter, both words are Russian.


44 posted on 01/25/2014 6:51:47 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: F15Eagle

How far apart are her contractions?


45 posted on 01/25/2014 7:07:45 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: UCANSEE2

Where exactly IN THE PHOTOGRAPH are any words visible? The uniforms and possibly red colored star look Russian to me.

And aerostat is derived from Greek not Russian.


46 posted on 01/25/2014 11:05:05 AM PST by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile

If you check the URL it comes from a Russian source.


47 posted on 01/25/2014 11:14:02 AM PST by NathanR
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To: Rockpile
Where exactly IN THE PHOTOGRAPH are any words visible?

The words were in the article. A poster asked me if the aerostat in the photo was Russian.

The uniforms and possibly red colored star look Russian to me.

Which was why I remarked about the Russian origin of the word.

And aerostat is derived from Greek not Russian.

Russians, Greeks,... they're all furreners who used to use a lot of aerostats, even back during WWI.

Do you know the Russian word for aerostat ?

48 posted on 01/25/2014 8:20:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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