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US military relaxes uniform rules for religious items
BBC ^ | 22 January 2014

Posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:43 AM PST by kingattax

The US military is easing its uniform rules to allow religious wear including turbans, skullcaps, beards and tattoos, officials have said.

Muslim, Sikh, Jewish and Wiccan soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen can now request exemptions to strict military uniform and grooming policies.

Requests will be evaluated individually and can be denied if they hinder military readiness.

Previously, at least three Sikhs had won specific accommodation.

Sikh soldiers such as Army Cpt Kamaljeet Singh Kalsi, photographed in 2010, may receive religious dispensations to wear head coverings and facial hair

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:43 AM PST by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Is this a joke?


2 posted on 01/23/2014 12:57:09 AM PST by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh (I cling to guns and religion.)
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To: kingattax

The Sikh soldier is actually a reprieve to my concerns.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 12:58:27 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Evidently, it’s not a joke. I saw it on Fox News last night.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 1:11:23 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

“Muslim, Sikh, Jewish and Wiccan “

And what group appears to be excluded?


5 posted on 01/23/2014 1:19:49 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Yes, it’s a joke, all right.... A sick one that plays out with increasing absurdity every friggin’ day.


6 posted on 01/23/2014 1:23:16 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Kozak

“And what group appears to be excluded?”

Satanist, but they’re working on it.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 1:25:02 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: kingattax

Does he get to wear a long knife on his belt too?

Shoot me now. “Back in the old Corps . . . .”


8 posted on 01/23/2014 1:42:26 AM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: ScottinVA

Nope, guess again.


9 posted on 01/23/2014 1:44:15 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: kingattax

What is the uniform of the Wiccan? Jew? Hassan...er, I mean Muslim?

So glad I did my 20 when there was some sanity in the military.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 2:15:40 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Kozak

I was giving that “guess” from the viewpoint of the proggies who are destroying our military.

I’m sure the wearing of crosses will be deemed a “hate crime,” punishable by UCMJ action.


11 posted on 01/23/2014 2:40:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: kingattax

My question is, will they keep their beards in basic training while everyone else shaves theirs away?


12 posted on 01/23/2014 2:43:01 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Gene Eric

I agree. And Sikhs hate muzzies.


13 posted on 01/23/2014 2:44:36 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: ScottinVA
My question is, will they keep their beards in basic training while everyone else shaves theirs away?

are you asking about female recruits ?

14 posted on 01/23/2014 2:50:28 AM PST by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

Beards??
How are they going to run general quarters drills on the ships while getting an airtight seal on their OBA?
Will they be exempted from having to participate?


15 posted on 01/23/2014 2:51:58 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: RandallFlagg
Beards?? How are they going to run general quarters drills on the ships while getting an airtight seal on their OBA? Will they be exempted from having to participate?

OBA - Oxygen Breathing Apparatus - FYI for anyone who doesn't know

16 posted on 01/23/2014 2:55:01 AM PST by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

Thank you.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 2:55:59 AM PST by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: RandallFlagg

no prob, my friend. :)


18 posted on 01/23/2014 2:56:33 AM PST by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: kingattax

Marine Corps drill sergeant to recruits during 30 mile hike in the mountains: “We will take a brief break to let Abdul and Achmed roll out their prayer rugs, now everyone face to the West. Abraham, please take off your skull cap as a show of respect.”


19 posted on 01/23/2014 3:45:47 AM PST by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: ScottinVA

If these people are willing to serve in our army and hence to ultimately serve the American people, I could really care less what the head gear looks like.


20 posted on 01/23/2014 4:11:48 AM PST by X Fretensis
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To: kingattax; All

We have become an EU member army...

And this started w the Army going all beret during Bush 43...


21 posted on 01/23/2014 4:15:04 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Amnesty And Not Ending ObamaCare Will Kill GOP In 2014)
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Actually the military has made religious exemptions forever. I had a guy in my Command who was Jewish and was able to wear his “cap” everyday for as long as he needed or wanted too. Also when we were on the ship, we ensured that Sailors were able to go to Church on Sunday mornings and not work during that time. This is nothing new.


22 posted on 01/23/2014 4:17:30 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: ScottinVA

I’m sure the wearing of crosses will be deemed a “hate crime,” punishable by UCMJ action.

WRONG! The Chaplains do wear a cross on their uniform.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 4:18:48 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Gene Eric

Mine too. These guys are true Warriors and have a genetic dislike of all things Islam. I don’t have a problem with them at all. Would probably be my only exception, but all things have to fair and equal... BS.


24 posted on 01/23/2014 4:43:29 AM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: hattend

From what I know of Wicca. . .the uniform is NO uniform. As in “naked”. Or, as my simpy-liberal Wiccan sister calls it, “skyclad”. . .


25 posted on 01/23/2014 4:43:32 AM PST by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Salgak
From what I know of Wicca. . .the uniform is NO uniform. As in “naked”. Or, as my simpy-liberal Wiccan sister calls it, “skyclad”. . .


26 posted on 01/23/2014 5:11:19 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: X Fretensis

Throw away tradition you might as well throw away the institution.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 6:05:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: FoxInSocks

FYI -

A former Marine operator-turned-entrepreneur has set out to honor a fallen comrade and raise money for wounded warriors with a new line of beard care products.

Stubble & ‘stache is the invention of Nick Karnaze, a former Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command captain, who started the company in 2012 after one of his closest battle buddies, Sgt. Justin Hansen, was killed in action in Afghanistan...

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20131118/NEWS/311180004/Former-special-ops-Marine-develops-product-line-war-beards-


28 posted on 01/23/2014 6:06:18 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: kingattax
are you asking about female recruits ?

Yes. Muslim ones, specifically.

29 posted on 01/23/2014 6:06:35 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: napscoordinator
WRONG! The Chaplains do wear a cross on their uniform.

Correct, but I don't think we're talking about the Chaplain corps here...

30 posted on 01/23/2014 6:07:22 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Gene Eric

They are fearsome warriors!


31 posted on 01/23/2014 6:24:57 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Old Sarge

Whiskey

Tango

Foxtrot

??

I’d lie to see him wear a protective mask with real gas and that crap.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 10:17:12 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The U.S. Navy has done quite well without “traditional” flogging or the “traditional” hot box for many years. When was the last time a soldier had to face the punishment of running a “ traditional” gauntlet between two lines of men with ram rods. Suppose you would support decimation because it was “traditional” at one time. When was the last time an officer of our army lead his troops into battle with his “traditional” sword. Head gear and beards, do not make a difference if the mans heart is in fighting. Why should we exclude Ghurkas, or Sikhs because of their personal beliefs. These men have a very long tradition of being some of the toughest fighting men in the world. We should welcome their service to the American people.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 4:18:54 PM PST by X Fretensis
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To: Arrowhead1952
I believe that would constitute a readiness issue.
34 posted on 01/25/2014 9:47:40 AM PST by Drake_Burrwood ("It happened because I wasn't there, I am NRA")
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To: X Fretensis

A Sikh is featured to quell qualms. They were used by a group called the Military Religion Freedom Foundation.

As this article by Chris Rodda, Senior Research Director for MRFF explains, the military had been protecting “belief” not the expression of belief. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/rep-fleming-ndaa-religiou_b_4461318.html)

The language of the National Defense Authorization Acts (NDAA) (Section 533) had been:

“The Armed Forces shall accommodate the beliefs of a member of the armed forces reflecting the conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the member and, in so far as practicable, may not use such beliefs as the basis of any adverse personnel action, discrimination, or denial of promotion, schooling, training, or assignment

2014 NDAA changed it to require the US military to accommodate religious expression:

In accordance with section 533(a)(1) of Public Law 112-239... unless it could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, and good order and discipline, the Military Departments will accommodate individual expressions of sincerely held beliefs... of Service members in accordance with the policies and procedures in this instruction.

MRFF has pushed the military to ban any cross because some view it as disrespectful to non-Christians and a reminder of Crusades. MRFF is anti Christian and pro islam.

It is called dhimmitude.


35 posted on 01/25/2014 7:54:14 PM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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