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SMITH & WESSON TO END MOST CA SALES DUE TO MICROSTAMPING REGULATION
BREITBART - BIG GOVERNMENT ^ | 23 Jan 2014 | AWR HAWKINS

Posted on 01/23/2014 6:36:21 AM PST by Greystoke

On January 22nd renowned gun maker Smith & Wesson joined Sturm, Ruger, & Co., by announcing it would cease California sales of its semi-automatic pistols due to microstamping requirements that went into effect last year. Ruger made the same announcement earlier this month.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; microstamping; smithwesson

1 posted on 01/23/2014 6:36:21 AM PST by Greystoke
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To: Greystoke

banglist


2 posted on 01/23/2014 6:37:02 AM PST by Greystoke
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To: Greystoke

*slow clap*

More guns for us!


3 posted on 01/23/2014 6:37:03 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Yeah but prices will probably increase to make up for the market loss.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 6:39:14 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Greystoke

Well I am sure the gang bangers won’t like this..


5 posted on 01/23/2014 6:39:18 AM PST by Paul46360
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To: Greystoke

I doubt it will put a dent in new gun ownership for those that want one. Stick it to the man, government regulation at its finest. Ha.


6 posted on 01/23/2014 6:40:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Greystoke

It would be a better headline to read that, along with stopping sales of these guns in CA (presumably only to civilians), that they have ceased all sales to all govt. agencies in CA, as well. Like Barrett.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 6:41:43 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Paul46360

Guess they don’t need cops because this is the end of crime as we know it.


8 posted on 01/23/2014 6:47:31 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Greystoke

Okay, Colt, you’re up next!....................


9 posted on 01/23/2014 6:48:19 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Greystoke

If S&W and Ruger can’t make these pistols economically, you can be sure lesser manufacturers can’t either.

This is a great win for gun grabbers. Look for micro-stamping laws to be added by most of the other blue states.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 6:50:50 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Resolute Conservative

This is a win for the anti-gun socialists;just like the Colorado recalls mean little if the laws passed by the recalled legislators aren’t repealed.
Every restriction in availability of firearms is a win for the bad guys;it doesn’t matter if the restriction is voluntary or forced.


11 posted on 01/23/2014 6:52:49 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Greystoke

“Smith & Wesson will continue to sell revolvers, bolt action rifles and its newly-launched Shield and SDVE pistols in California.”

They will still sell plenty of semi-auto pistols in California for a while yet.


12 posted on 01/23/2014 6:58:05 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Greystoke

Chit


13 posted on 01/23/2014 6:59:21 AM PST by al baby (Hi MomÂ… I was refereeing to Obama)
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To: Greystoke

It’s only a day trip to Nevada.


14 posted on 01/23/2014 7:05:08 AM PST by struggle
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To: Greystoke

Which means that ‘microstamping’ will also come with the requirement that the design of the firing pin be changed sufficiently so that spare firing pins already made won’t work in the new guns.

This pretty much means I’d never buy a microstamped pistol - ever. I have spare firing pins for all my pistols, replaced the steel ones with titaniums where they were appropriate.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 7:07:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Greystoke
"SMITH & WESSON TO END MOST CA SALES DUE TO MICROSTAMPING REGULATION..."

So what California sales are they NOT ending??? I guess they will continue to sell to cops and other "blessed by the bureaucrats" species. If S&M had really wanted to do something, they would have ended ALL gun sales, ESPECIALLY to California government entities.

16 posted on 01/23/2014 7:08:50 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: struggle
It’s only a day trip to Nevada.

Or better yet, move to NV....I am!

17 posted on 01/23/2014 7:13:29 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: Wonder Warthog
o what California sales are they NOT ending??? I guess they will continue to sell to cops and other "blessed by the bureaucrats" species.

Uncommon knowledge: Smith and Wesson makes revolvers. Revolvers are not covered in the microstamp legislation. Therefore, S&W will continue to sell revolvers in CA.

18 posted on 01/23/2014 7:30:43 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Greystoke
It's only a matter of time before the Taxachusetts Legislature passes Micro-Stamping and doesn't care as to the fate of S & W, and it will be as bad a what the city of Spingfield did to help Indian Motorcycle and Gee Bee Aircraft, i.e. NOTHING.
19 posted on 01/23/2014 7:34:53 AM PST by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Greystoke

Wow. California’s left wins again. Who’d of thunk that of S&W? I hope they refuse to do business with the state or any other government affiliations that use guns.


20 posted on 01/23/2014 7:36:19 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Greystoke

Microstamping. Another way to get around the REJECTION, by the VOTERS, of Proposition 15 back in 1982. That was a proposal to ban the sale of handguns in California.

Since that day, Politicians have been trying to find other ways to outlaw the sale of handguns, and now long guns.

microstamping can be defeated with a piece of fine emery cloth or valve lapping compound.


21 posted on 01/23/2014 8:18:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Greystoke

Demand is still there. Lots of demand. Therefore, honest folks will just end up becoming lawbreakers.


22 posted on 01/23/2014 8:52:40 AM PST by lurk
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To: Blue Collar Christian

So, if S&W had knuckled under and added the microstamping, which would have affected gun purchasers in every state in the union, you’d call that a win? Really?

Just no pleasing some folks, I guess.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 9:36:05 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
"Uncommon knowledge: Smith and Wesson makes revolvers. Revolvers are not covered in the microstamp legislation. Therefore, S&W will continue to sell revolvers in CA.

Well, I knew S&W made revolvers, but didn't know they weren't part of the microstamp thing (which actually is logical, since revolvers don't leave spent brass behind, unless the perp is VERY stupid and reloads w.o. pocketing the empties). So your comment is good info.

But it still doesn't address the issue of whether S&W will continue to sell semi-auto firearms that ARE covered by the microstamping regs to groups like police??

I admire the folks in Colorado who basically said "if I can't sell to your law-abiding citizens, I won't sell to police either". One could hope that S&W has the balls to do the same.

24 posted on 01/23/2014 12:17:13 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

My understanding is the requirement includes semi-autos bought by Police, and S&W’s problem is they don’t want to have to make them at all. I don’t think S&W or Ruger will sell to the Police, either. It’s a bit academic, because the service pistols are Glocks.

I really want CA to fail at this, because if they can force the gun makers to fit pistols with the microstamps, they’ll have to make them like that for everybody in the country, kicking the price of guns up by a lot.

(I was being a bit of a wise guy. Sorry.)


25 posted on 01/23/2014 12:37:05 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Wonder Warthog
Wonder Warthog said: "If S&M had really wanted to do something, they would have ended ALL gun sales, ..."

I believe that the handguns that are already on the ridiculous "not unsafe" roster are exempt from the requirement for micro-stamping. For reasons that are now becoming obvious, the registrations of "not unsafe" handguns expire and have to be renewed, at some expense, by the manufacturers. I'm not sure but I would guess that handguns that fall off the roster probably have to be "upgraded" to the newest requirements to be put back on.

As far as I'm concerned, firearms manufacturers should have fought the requirement that guns have serial numbers decades ago. Almost all of the pernicious infringements of the Second Amendment require serial numbers in order for the law to even make sense. How, for example, would one register a gun without a number on it; take a picture and send the picture into the government?

26 posted on 01/23/2014 1:25:10 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Greystoke
I have a general comment about the anti-gunners in Kalifornia.

I believe that they are playing now an important role in helping to re-establish the Second Amendment; by over-reaching and sending their forces "a bridge too far".

By going overboard in Illinois with their complete ban on concealed carry, it made it much easier for the courts to completely set aside their law.

The law in Illinois, at least on paper, is far more in keeping with the Second Amendment than Kalifornia's "shall issue" law which permits the local law enforcement chief to deny those without "good cause". The effect in Kalifornia is that some counties are effectively NO-ISSUE, and yet this law remains on the books (though it is under challenge).

It's my hope that the "not unsafe" handgun roster will, because of the more unreasonable requirement for micro-stamping, be completely thrown out. Such might be more difficult if the requirements are for hammer-blocks, external safeties, and loaded-chamber indicators.

The Ninth Circus Court seems to have stalled on delivering gun-related decisions lately. I'm hopeful that it is the relatively clear language of Heller and McDonald which is making it difficult for them to find a way to uphold the various infringements brought to their attention.

27 posted on 01/23/2014 1:38:21 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Cyber Liberty
"I really want CA to fail at this, because if they can force the gun makers to fit pistols with the microstamps, they’ll have to make them like that for everybody in the country, kicking the price of guns up by a lot."

I think it depends on how many other states jump on the bandwagon. If it is just CA, even all sales to that state, as large as the population is, are a tiny fraction of gun sales to the rest of the states. I think the mfgs will balk, and tell CA politely to "go to hell".

28 posted on 01/23/2014 1:54:38 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Wonder Warthog

The problem for the gunmakers is they’d have to develop “boutique guns,” specially made by state. That would *really* drive the prices up, so some sort of standardization would have to be developed, all to the detriment of the right to keep and bear arms. All the while, the science is dubious. You don’t even need to be a gunsmith to defeat the microstamp. Just run a couple thousand rounds of good ammo through the gun and the mark is illegible. Or go at the firing pin for a couple minutes with some emery. Online sales of replacement firing pins will become a cottage industry.

It’s like gasoline: California demands certain blends of fuel, and the people living in the nearby states all have to burn it (and pay extra), even though they had nothing to do with mandating it. Taxation without Representation.

Meanwhile, two major gunmakers just told CA to, as you put it, “Go to Hell.” Good for them.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 2:14:15 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty
"It’s like gasoline: California demands certain blends of fuel, and the people living in the nearby states all have to burn it (and pay extra), even though they had nothing to do with mandating it. Taxation without Representation."

Not quite the same. California has quite a bit of oil and hence a number of refineries. If those refineries expect to stay in business, they pretty much have to dance to the tune of the California fruits and nuts on whose real estate they sit. The neighboring states have neither oil, nor refineries, so they are sort of SOL, and have to take what California provides.

Does CA have ANY gun manufacturers "in-state"? I'm certainly not aware of any.

30 posted on 01/23/2014 6:48:57 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: Cyber Liberty

Absolutely no knuckling under and cooperating with the nearly undoable microstamping! They should have announced termination of all business to state agencies on the condition that the CA legislature backs off. Just the same as Ronnie Barrett did.

CA government doesn’t want the “benefit” of microstamping, they just wants less guns in the hands of civilians while the government remains armed. Without shutting CA government out of the arms market this is just a win for the left.

I’m looking forward to the response of the other manufacturers reaction to this. A little solidarity would go a long way toward slowing down this landslide of disappearing liberties. It worked for the PA outdoor show.


31 posted on 01/23/2014 7:22:20 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I agree with you. However, one must keep in mind both S&W and Ruger are private companies, bound by any existing contracts with the State of California. Suddenly demanding microstamping of all semi-auto handguns being sold to the state would constitute a breach of contract, and the gun companies would be free to stop selling them.

Since most cops in CA (that I know of) are issued Glocks, then I have to assume these are private purchases *by* cops, and they sometimes get special deals because of that. I would expect both companies to cease these particular sales because they wouldn’t be covered under any state contracts.

S&W and Ruger won’t be making these sales, I am sure, because the issue is manufacturability, not politics.

As to the wisdom of continuing to sell guns not covered, as a property-rights loving conservative I leave that up to the companies if they want to embargo people in California or not.


32 posted on 01/24/2014 6:36:17 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

I get you. A contract is a contract. I’m not for embargoing the people of CA, but government only. Next contracts should have stipulations, but of course, it is up to the private companies, and it is up to the consumer also to vote with his dollars.


33 posted on 01/24/2014 7:04:25 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I like how some companies have told NY cops to go pound sand when they wanted guns with magazines larger than six rounds. “You don’t need more than seven rounds to kill a dog.”

:^)


34 posted on 01/24/2014 7:22:10 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

If the cops need a weapon of different specifications than what is legal for you and me, then we need them too. Police are supposed to have firearms to defend themselves, and standard capacity magazines are appropriate for self defense, whereas limited capacity magazines are a recipe for disaster. And another thing, cops don’t need select fire ANYTHING! any more than you and I do. If I can’t buy ‘em, then they can’t have ‘em.


35 posted on 01/25/2014 3:23:10 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I agree with you, but the lovely people writing the laws don’t. We’re not allowed to have stuff as good as the cops can get. Try and buy a flash-bang grenade. Or Teflon-coated rounds.


36 posted on 01/25/2014 3:41:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yep. A component of tyranny.


37 posted on 01/25/2014 4:01:42 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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