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Georgia on the Brink
Convention of States ^ | January 23rd, 2014 | COS Project Team

Posted on 01/23/2014 12:59:18 PM PST by Jacquerie

Attention COS patriots: Georgia needs your help! Tomorrow, January 24, at 9:30am the state senate Rules Committee will hold a hearing to discuss the COS application. This is a huge step towards passing the application in Georgia, and we need to show the committee we mean business.

So here’s what you can do:

If you live in Georgia, go to the meeting! It will be held at the Georgia State Capitol in hearing room #450. We need to pack the room so the senators know how many Georgians support a Convention of States.

If you can’t make it to Atlanta, you can still help. Send an email voicing your support to info@conventionofstates.com. You can type your own or simply use the sample letter below:

Hello,

My name is [Your Name], and I support the Georgia State Senate resolution (SR 736) to apply for a Convention of States.

A Convention of States is the last, best chance to curb the abuses of the federal government and force Congress to be fiscally responsible. The Founder’s included the Convention of States option in Article V for precisely the situation in which we find ourselves today. It’s our responsibility to use the tool the Founders gave us to limit the federal government’s power and jurisdiction.

Georgia was the fourth state to ratify the Constitution—I want Georgia to be the first state to save it.

Sincerely,

[Your Name]

We’ll give your letters to our team in Georgia, and they’ll print them out and bring them to the hearing. We want a huge stack of letters, so get yours in ASAP.

Don’t live in Georgia but want to help? No problem. You can still send us your letters voicing your support for the Georgia resolution. With letters from folks across the country, we can show the Georgia state senators this movement has nationwide support!

Sending an email takes five minutes, but those five minutes will bring us one step closer to preserving liberty in our country. Thanks for standing with us!


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: articlev; constitution; statesrights
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Momentum builds. An Article V state amendment convention threatens the progs more than the Tea Party.
1 posted on 01/23/2014 12:59:18 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; jeffc; 1010RD; ...

Article V ping!


2 posted on 01/23/2014 1:00:36 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

Go Georgia!


3 posted on 01/23/2014 1:01:48 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Jacquerie

Am I the only one who thinks a convention would be a bad idea in today’s environment? Calling a convention opens up a multitude of opportunities for mischief. The reason for calling the convention is not binding. We would more likely get a pair of amendments legalizing gay marriage and illegal aliens than anything that is helpful.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 1:03:40 PM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

I have heard multiple arguments from proponents of this here of how they would assure that what you fear would not happen, but I am not convinced. Intentions and action are two very different things.

I just don’t see how the proponents could capture, control and keep the ‘narrative’ (and execution) of it all with the huge liberal and MSM influences that could happen. We’ve see shenanigans with McCain in WV, Romney, and in the VA race for governor. There’s just too much opportunity there to just cut to the chase and invalidate the safeguards we still have.

So I’m with you.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 1:11:41 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Jacquerie

Tomorrow, January 24, at 9:30am
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Holy short notice, batman!


6 posted on 01/23/2014 1:17:51 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Ingtar; Gaffer

Your fears are unfounded.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 1:19:04 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Ingtar

No, you are not the only one and the points you make need to be considered with sincerity.

The romance of a COS is alluring but it has potential to backfire.


8 posted on 01/23/2014 1:21:23 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Jacquerie

Bookmark so I can write a letter.


9 posted on 01/23/2014 1:23:45 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Jacquerie

how can we be sure that if this goes through and a “reset” is established, how do we know we will end up with our constitution again? What if it’s some pieced together pile of crap like Obamacare?

I’m just being the devils advocate.


10 posted on 01/23/2014 1:25:43 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Ingtar; Gaffer; Rebelbase; 12th_Monkey
Our framers recognized the states have interests that are different from the people at large. That is why they created a vertical separation of powers between the states and the federal government, which was to be enforced by a senate of the states.

It is no secret to state legislators that our nation is on a suicide track and they are subservient to Washington, DC.

I don't assume a state amendment convention will immediately solve the problems generated by liberals these past 100 hundred years. We may well be too far gone, and if that is the case there is nothing to lose. But, I am positive the framers gave us a peaceful way to fight tyranny, a method they didn't have.

The hard tyranny is here. Congress at best makes policy, while Obama and the courts make law. There is everything to fear from our runaway government. An amendment convention is our last hope.

Convention of States.

11 posted on 01/23/2014 1:29:30 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Oh yes. I feel better now. Count me out.


12 posted on 01/23/2014 1:29:44 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Jacquerie

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Done, and done from Georgia!


13 posted on 01/23/2014 1:33:21 PM PST by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: Jacquerie

Ping please.


14 posted on 01/23/2014 1:33:59 PM PST by Tucker39 ("Having their conscience seared with a hot iron.")
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To: Jacquerie; All
Interesting article against the subject.

Propaganda and the Conspiracy Against Our Constitution
15 posted on 01/23/2014 1:34:30 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Jacquerie

I am also opposed, as long as the current gangsters are in charge. Too many crooked judges. And a crooked Justice Department. And crooks in charge of the Senate, the White House, and, I’m afraid, the House.

We’d probably end up with amendments supporting gay marriage, abortion on demand, and sharia.


16 posted on 01/23/2014 1:35:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rebelbase

How is that my good man.

We are on the brink of losing this country.

This is a last resort sort of violence.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 1:37:02 PM PST by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: Cicero

Post #11.


18 posted on 01/23/2014 1:37:19 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

I remember reading up on the ways the US Constitution could be amended. Among them was the Article 5 way, which has never been tried that I could find.

I realize there are a whole lot of suppositions out there about how this would work along the path to implementing what is dictated with respect to Article 5 in the Constitution, but again, has this method been used?, successfully used?, used with the intended outcome?

I also realize there is a group out there that is dedicated to it, even with the same name. But, when anyone voices any fears about outside influence, consequences, etc. all I get is “your fears are unfounded” and “that’s not what we want and we can control the process,” etc.

Horse Pucky.


19 posted on 01/23/2014 1:39:51 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Svartalfiar
Your interesting article is as deep and historically accurate as Mad Magazine.
20 posted on 01/23/2014 1:40:08 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Gaffer
I made some points in #11. Can you refute them?
21 posted on 01/23/2014 1:41:30 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Try these 2 links...

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/01/23/indiana-state-senator-david-long-explains-the-historical-significance-of-an-article-v-convention-of-states/

http://www.indianasenaterepublicans.com/clientuploads/directory/publications/Sen%20David%20Long%20Article%20V%20Packet-Online.pdf


22 posted on 01/23/2014 1:42:21 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Jacquerie

Actually, I don’t need to refute them. I know all I need to know by the way you proponents here argue the merits and discuss the fears of normal people who are distrustful.

You can keep it and save it for someone you might convince here.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 1:42:54 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cicero
3/4 of the states still have to ratify any amendment coming out of the convention.

/johnny

24 posted on 01/23/2014 1:46:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kennyboy509

“This is a last resort sort of violence”

The “last resort” is violence as empowered by the 2A.

A COS end result could be the loss of 2A as we know it and a host of other new amendments glorifying a corrupt society.

The romantic notion that somehow all participants would have have a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington moment of constitutional integrity is a pipe dream.

On the other hand if the point of having a COS is to push the country into such division that violence ensues, then, that’s what we’ll have. We are headed there at some point anyway.


25 posted on 01/23/2014 1:49:32 PM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Gaffer; bfh333
The links in #22 from bfh333 are very informative. Check ‘em out. History will not treat well a people who gaff off the means to reestablish their freedoms.
26 posted on 01/23/2014 1:50:37 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Cicero
It would indeed be viewed by many to be a very close call, even if we were looking at traditional political issues. But, we are not.

Given what you have accurately described as:
...current gangsters [many of whom are clearly anti-Americans] are in charge. Too many crooked judges. And a crooked Justice Department. And crooks in charge of the Senate, the White House, and, I’m afraid, the House.
(plus, I will add open borders and voting registration of anyone who can produce a local utility bill, voter fraud, etc. ad nausea)
- is it not possible we have already passed the "soft" tipping point?

I for one, would rather do what is necessary to defend the Constitution rather than leave it to my sons and grandsons.

27 posted on 01/23/2014 1:51:02 PM PST by frog in a pot (We are all "frogs in a pot" now. How and when will we real Americans jump out?)
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To: Rebelbase
We are headed there (violence) at some point anyway.

If we are headed for violence anyway, there cannot, as I said in #11, be any harm done from a state amendment convention.

28 posted on 01/23/2014 1:53:51 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Baynative

Ping.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 1:54:36 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Jacquerie

how many states are considering this?


30 posted on 01/23/2014 1:55:20 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Other posters have given a reasoned argument why it may be a bad idea.

What argument do you have that the fears are unfounded? I’d like to know.

Without opposing information, I would be scared to let any old amendments in. My gosh - think how bad it could be!


31 posted on 01/23/2014 1:56:37 PM PST by Principled
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To: Jacquerie

So, what’s on your mind?

;^)


32 posted on 01/23/2014 1:56:43 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Cicero
I am also opposed, as long as the current gangsters are in charge. Too many crooked judges. And a crooked Justice Department. And crooks in charge of the Senate, the White House, and, I’m afraid, the House.

Said gangsters, judges, DOJ, senate, house, La Casa Blanca are not invited to a state amendment convention. The framers designed it that way.

33 posted on 01/23/2014 1:58:13 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: bfh333
again, I'm playing devils advocate here:  Path 2: o Step 1: Two-thirds of state legislatures (34 states) ask for Congress to call “a convention for proposing amendments.” o Step 2: States send delegates to this convention, where they can propose amendments to the Constitution. o Step 3: Three-fourths of the states (38 states) ratify an amendment approved by the “convention for proposing amendments,” either by their legislatures or special ratifying conventions. What keeps hard core lib states like California, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia to name a few, to come in and subvert the process and place their own liberal amendments?
34 posted on 01/23/2014 1:59:30 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Jacquerie; All

Did you happen to hear the Indiana State Senator talking to Glenn Beck today about COS? Here’s a link to the interview....

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/01/23/indiana-state-senator-david-long-explains-the-historical-significance-of-an-article-v-convention-of-states/


35 posted on 01/23/2014 2:04:00 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Jacquerie
Said gangsters, judges, DOJ, senate, house, La Casa Blanca are not invited to a state amendment convention. The framers designed it that way.

The Indiana State senator David Long - on Glenn's show today - explained that process very clearly.

36 posted on 01/23/2014 2:07:08 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: 12th_Monkey

2 things... The COS will decide on a process for getting amendments approved and out to the states AND no matter what is proposed by a whacky, liberal state, it would have to be ratified by 38 (3/4) of the states...

So if CA decided that they wanted a 2A repeal, it would FIRST have to get through the COS amendment process (unlikely) but IF IT DID, are there 38 states to adopt AND vote yes?


37 posted on 01/23/2014 2:07:20 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: Principled
Post #11.

There is no guarantee. The Left has had its way with our republic for 101 years. We have the peaceful means to reverse the hard tyranny.

Obama, his courts and administrative bureaucrats make law, not the congress. The counterrevolution to ours of 1776 is complete.

Because of the downwind effects of the 17th amendment, elections have become proforma charades to make the gullible think the constitution is still in effect.

My gosh - think how bad it could be! It is here. Look around.

38 posted on 01/23/2014 2:09:03 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: bfh333

I see. Worth a shot, DC is broken and out of control.

how many states so far?


39 posted on 01/23/2014 2:10:33 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: Jane Long
Thank you very much. I am listening to it now.

Senator Long is skillfully shepherding the process.

40 posted on 01/23/2014 2:12:18 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: 12th_Monkey

Last count was 30+...

I’d have to look again...

Indiana is leading the way. They have already passed state laws that deal with their delegates. I know this is a concern for most...

Check the Indiana link I posted earlier...


41 posted on 01/23/2014 2:13:49 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: 12th_Monkey
IIRC, over a hundred state senators, from over 30 states, met in Mount Vernon, VA early last December. Senator David Long of Indiana steered it. It's purpose was to organize a state amendment convention . . . maybe before 2016.
42 posted on 01/23/2014 2:15:39 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Jacquerie

GA Freepers... Get off you a$$ and call or show up!

My rep has me saved in his cell phone... lol

He is tired of hearing from me about GA participating in the COS...


43 posted on 01/23/2014 2:16:53 PM PST by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: bfh333

i searched for texas and COS and didn’t come up with anything. I would hope my state is doing it’s part


44 posted on 01/23/2014 2:19:41 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: 12th_Monkey
Here is some boilerplate I usually add to these threads.

*** BEGIN ***

The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicity forbidden:

I have two reference works for those interested.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I dislike some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see the view of the ruling class toward the process.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

45 posted on 01/23/2014 2:19:58 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Ingtar

A Convention at this point would result in a Bill of Rights with nothing between the first and third amendments.


46 posted on 01/23/2014 2:20:21 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Rebelbase

So! Are you in or not?!?

I’m in.

We hang together or we hang separately.

Lets do this thang! HOOYA!


47 posted on 01/23/2014 2:21:21 PM PST by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Is it your honest opinion that an Amendments Convention would pass on to the states for ratification an amendment reducing or repealing the 2nd Amendment?

Is it your honest opinion that three-fourths of the states (38) would ratify such an amendment?

48 posted on 01/23/2014 2:23:29 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: 12th_Monkey
http://www.conventionofstates.com

You can enroll there as a volunteer or for a leadership position.

49 posted on 01/23/2014 2:24:35 PM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Publius

“Implicitly forbidden:

Throwing out the Constitution of 1787 and replacing it with a new document. Article V only authorizes “a convention for proposing amendments to this Constitution”; therefore, the Constitution of 1787 is locked in place forever. Congress and an Amendments Convention have exactly the same Proposal power; therefore, neither Congress nor an Amendments Convention can start over. Both bodies can only propose amendments.”

Glad that is in their.


50 posted on 01/23/2014 2:37:39 PM PST by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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