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Libertarian wing of GOP gains strength in Congress
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 1/24/14 | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 01/24/2014 7:11:12 AM PST by cotton1706

A few times each month, a couple dozen House Republican lawmakers gather in a meeting room in a building adjacent to Capitol to discuss ideas and legislative proposals that focus on limited government, reducing the debt and maintaining individual rights.

The group considers itself conservative with a libertarian emphasis. They call themselves the Liberty Caucus and believe that in order for the GOP to win more elections in the future, the party must begin embracing their libertarian-minded philosophy because voters are beginning to demand it, particularly in the wake of government data collection revelations that some believe infringe on privacy rights.

"I think you are seeing a movement in the Republican Party where it is becoming more liberty minded," Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, a member of the Liberty Caucus, told the Washington Examiner.

"Issues like [government data collection by the National Security Administration] have really enlightened Republicans to the dangers of the lack of strong congressional oversight of these organizations, so I think we need to get back to the basic doctrine of the constitution. Our Founding Fathers had a fear of strong central government and too much power being given to one person. That is the premise of what the constitution was about."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; libertarian

1 posted on 01/24/2014 7:11:12 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
"We are the future of the Republican Party," Labrador, who was elected to Congress in 2010, said of the Liberty Caucus.

No. They are the future of the United States, if the Unites States is going to have a future.

2 posted on 01/24/2014 7:16:00 AM PST by jdege
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To: cotton1706

When your platform is “Smoke Free Dope”, you naturally get the youth vote...


3 posted on 01/24/2014 7:21:03 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: cotton1706

Pity they aren’t Conservative; just anarchists with conservative tendencies.

Libertarianism = chaos and mob rule.


4 posted on 01/24/2014 7:22:35 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

Or as a friend of mine sarcastically commented, “Libertarianism is Anarchism for rich folks.”


5 posted on 01/24/2014 7:29:08 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good point-That would point to the Saudi Royal family.


6 posted on 01/24/2014 7:37:41 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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7 posted on 01/24/2014 7:38:48 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Old Sarge
When your platform is “Smoke Free Dope”, you naturally get the youth vote...

And there's the problem with the GOP. They have no concept of individual liberty.
8 posted on 01/24/2014 7:39:06 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Libertarianism = Homosexual marriage, legal pot smoking, legal prostitution, etc.


9 posted on 01/24/2014 7:39:22 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: jdege

“No. They are the future of the United States, if the Unites States is going to have a future.”

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Sorry. Incorrect.

These libs - like other RINO’s - do nothing but detract Tea Party and conservative ideals.


10 posted on 01/24/2014 7:47:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

I ventured into a few of the Liberty Forums and found the Libertarians to be among the rudest bunch of people online. Nothing but Ron Paulbots that appear to support more than legalizing pot but other drugs as well. Anti Reagan and questionable on our military.


11 posted on 01/24/2014 7:49:42 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: cotton1706

Give a Liberaltarian a big sack of dope to smoke with his queer boyfriend and he would gladly vote for Karl Marx.


12 posted on 01/24/2014 7:49:58 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: andyk
When your platform is “Smoke Free Dope”, you naturally get the youth vote...

And there's the problem with the GOP. They have no concept of individual liberty.

 

You think individual liberty grows and is enhanced by smoking free dope? How very libertarian of you.

13 posted on 01/24/2014 7:50:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: cotton1706

I thought that Libertarians were going to take over a state and show the world how to do things (wasn’t it New Hampshire?). What ever happened to that. It was several years ago.

I seem to remember reading that they were introducing anti-gun-owner laws in New Hampshire a few days ago. Doesn’t sound very Libertarian to me.


14 posted on 01/24/2014 7:50:27 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I will take choas over authoritarianism any day. Better to face a mob than suffer the loss of Constitutional rights “under the color of law”, which is one more federal offense not prosecuted by the current (or past) administrations.


15 posted on 01/24/2014 7:57:05 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Sorry. Incorrect.

These libs - like other RINO’s - do nothing but detract Tea Party and conservative ideals.”

That’s nonsense. The libertarian ideal basically says “if I’m doing nothing to bother you, stay the heck out of my business”. That is extremely conservative, and the antithesis of the current government. What needs to go are the big-government, authoritarian loving RINOs. ;-)

I guess you also missed “Many of the Liberty Caucus members also consider themselves Tea Party members”.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 8:55:06 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: jim_trent

“I seem to remember reading that they were introducing anti-gun-owner laws in New Hampshire a few days ago. Doesn’t sound very Libertarian to me.”

Nope. There are still Dems there, and they are trying - however nothing is expected to pass:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/8828827-95/nh-legislature-may-see-a-renewed-fight-over-gun-control-in-2014

Right now NH has among the most sane gun laws in the Northeast.

I don’t think Libertarians have achieved a majority in NH, but quite a few have relocated there for the Liberty Project. They are having an influence.


17 posted on 01/24/2014 9:07:42 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: Old Sarge; andyk
Old Sarge imagines: When your platform is “Smoke Free Dope”, you naturally get the youth vote...

Is that the platform of the libertarian wing of the GOP? For the government -- meaning we the taxpayers -- to pay for pot given away to "the masses"? REALLY? Prove it. You won't, FRiend, because you can't, because it's a hysterical and false accusation.

The small-l libertarian, such as THOMAS SOWELL and Milton Friedman -- people who actually understood and grasped real libertarian principle, would know then that such "libertarians" were along the lines of people wearing roller skates claiming to be ice skating: totally PHONY.

TRUE libertarian principle would exclude the Federal government from either PROVIDING "free dope" or from throwing people in prison for smoking a friggin' weed that will grow wild in a vacant lot.

Big-L Libertarian, as in the official party, has apparently been seized by people who confuse "libertarian" with "liberal," as in "free for all." TRUE libertarians, understand, as did Ronald Reagan, that libertarian principle is the foundation of conservatism -- that is, if you define "conservatism" as "using government sparingly."

Sounds to me like you might be someone who defines "conservatism" as "using government liberally to enforce socially 'conservative' mores because Americans are like little children who need the government to serve as their shepherds."

There's nothing wrong with libertarian principle. There is A LOT WRONG with idiot ignorant pig-headed "conservatives" who 1) are obsessed with a plant (though have no problem with legal alcohol that's a critical factor in the death and injury of THOUSANDS every year) and 2) who want to use government as a Nanny every bit as much as Democrats do.

18 posted on 01/24/2014 9:09:51 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Beats legalized thievery for the indignant and people who suck at life.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 9:11:53 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: andyk

Amen, andyk. You have hit on the main reason I rarely bother to post on FR any more. I’m a conservative Christian, yet every time I support a libertarian principle or policy, I get accused of being a drunk, dope-smoking, homosexual child-molester.

I hate Democrat policies because they are big government. I hate Republican policies that support and encourage big government. How does being against unnecessary, intrusive government make me an anarchist?


20 posted on 01/24/2014 9:13:28 AM PST by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: cotton1706

Virtually no republican will get elected w/o the support of disparate groups that need to find away to get along. A straight, social conservative will find it hard to win in the vast majority of districts. A straight libertarian won’t win in these districts either. The TEA Party could be the banner to unite these groups. I have no problem with social conservatives who understand economics and that morality is best supported from the pulpit and not congress. I have no problem with libertarians who understand the value of tradition and personal discipline.

Purists can enjoy the warm feeling they get looking at the results when the democrats won again knowing they never compromised their conscience. We all need to be able to compromise and seek unity to save this republic. Our enemies are united.


21 posted on 01/24/2014 9:17:48 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: old3030
I hate Democrat policies because they are big government. I hate Republican policies that support and encourage big government. How does being against unnecessary, intrusive government make me an anarchist?

I also consider myself a "small-l" libertarian. There are some "social conservatives" who are all for big government, as long as SoCons get to have a say in what the big government does.

22 posted on 01/24/2014 9:21:05 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You and others in the GOP seem to love to talk about dope. I just don’t get it!

I believe that the interstate commerce clause in no way gives the federal government the power to control private activities of free citizens within the several states. I really dont care what your state does.

How is that controversial?


23 posted on 01/24/2014 9:35:44 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Finny

The only hysterical statements are your denunciations of me.

I have been to Libertarian rallies in the past. Privately, attendees all confide that the real party platform is decriminalizing drug use. Not limited government, not over-taxation, not foreign policy, but smoking free dope.

Many other FReepers have experienced the same epiphanies at Libertariran rallies. I don’t see you hysterically denouncing them, yet, but then the weekend hasn’t started.

You and I do agree, though, that “small-L” libertarianism is different from the “big-L” Libertarian Party. Especially where the Libertarians are nothing more than Leftist sock-puppets designed to dilute the anti-Left gene pool (as was proven in the Virginia governor’s race).

The only one making hysterical accusations is you. the only one heaping personal invective is you. You are not worth my time. Welcome to The List.


24 posted on 01/24/2014 9:56:49 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The 'Free Dope' is a strawman argument. Do you think the fedgov has the proper Constitutional authority to tell a state what they cannot do within their own borders - such as someone growing a pot plant in their basement for their own use? BTW, I don't smoke pot, I drink instead, and the fedgov felt compelled to pass a Constitutional amendment to have the proper authority to ban that.

You might want to read Clarence Thomas's dissent in Raich - maybe you wanna call him a free dope pothead as well?

25 posted on 01/24/2014 10:05:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Old Sarge
I have been to Libertarian rallies in the past. Privately, attendees all confide that the real party platform is decriminalizing drug use. Not limited government, not over-taxation, not foreign policy, but smoking free dope.

As a libertarian I've also spent a lot of time around other libertarians and most of them approach the drug problem from a utilitarian standpoint. The war on drugs has achieved nothing except filling the prisons up with non-violent offenders but substantially increased the violence on the streets. The main focus of the official Libertarian Party ( with which I have a number of disagreements) is Limited Government as their masthead clearly shows See Here .

The Cato Institute which is the leading libertarian policy foundation spends very little if any of its resources on legalizing narcotic drugs. Cato has been at the forefront of promoting limited government while country club republicans have been quite happy to keep the government as big as possible including doling out subsidies to its corporate clients.

The problem with social conservatives is they are quite happy to be "The Tax collectors for the engorged welfare State" just so long as they are in power. When was the last time the Republican party in power made radical cuts to government spending ?

26 posted on 01/24/2014 1:42:10 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: dirtboy

+1, well said.


27 posted on 01/24/2014 4:45:48 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: cotton1706

I heard a great line the other day by a comedian:

“I can’t be a Democrat because I like to spend the money I make. And I can’t be a Republican because I like to spend the money I make on drugs and hookers!”


28 posted on 01/24/2014 4:57:02 PM PST by Magnatron
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To: old3030; andyk
Amen, andyk. You have hit on the main reason I rarely bother to post on FR any more. I’m a conservative Christian, yet every time I support a libertarian principle or policy, I get accused of being a drunk, dope-smoking, homosexual child-molester.

I hate Democrat policies because they are big government. I hate Republican policies that support and encourage big government. How does being against unnecessary, intrusive government make me an anarchist?

WELL SAID!!

29 posted on 01/25/2014 11:08:07 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: PapaBear3625
I also consider myself a "small-l" libertarian. There are some "social conservatives" who are all for big government, as long as SoCons get to have a say in what the big government does.

Well said.

The small-l libertarian Republicans advocate "conservatism" under one of several definitions of the root verb, "conserve." We apply "to use sparingly" as the essence of the conservative approach. We seek to cut government and use it sparingly -- it's what we mostly mean when we say "conservative."

They advocate "conservatism" under the other meaning of the root verb "conserve," "to protect from harm or decay." That is the essence of their approach. "Conservative government" to them means using the same government authority to "protect from harm or decay" American decency from a specifically anti-Christian set of evils such as abortion and the norming of homosexuality even to kids, which I abhor as much as they do (see my tagline) and passionately regard as an evils to be run out of Dodge.

However, I know that the Founders thought that using government to do it would be in vain. That's how they wrote the Constitution.

I can only hope that FR's all-libertarians-are-anarchists contingent represents a small portion of Americans, because refusing and alienating a vast segment of small-l libertarian Americans who stand on the same side of the river as we Christians, is dumb. I am a limited government conservative Christian. Small-l libertarian seems pretty Christian to me.

30 posted on 01/25/2014 11:54:40 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Timocrat
The Cato Institute which is the leading libertarian policy foundation spends very little if any of its resources on legalizing narcotic drugs. Cato has been at the forefront of promoting limited government while country club republicans have been quite happy to keep the government as big as possible including doling out subsidies to its corporate clients.

The problem with social conservatives is they are quite happy to be "The Tax collectors for the engorged welfare State" just so long as they are in power. When was the last time the Republican party in power made radical cuts to government spending ?

Bravo!

31 posted on 01/25/2014 12:00:07 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
"When was the last time the Republican party in power made radical cuts to government spending ? "

When was the last time we weren't at war or nation building?

32 posted on 01/25/2014 12:02:57 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: All; Old Sarge
Old Sarge won't be reading this because I am now on his "The List" of FReepers not to read, because I called him on his ludicrous implication that the libertarian wing of the GOP (specifically NOT the Libertarian party) was advocating "smoking free dope," which by ANY logical interpretation means "dope provided for free and smoked without any legal prohibition." I described it as a hysterical and false accusation, which is what it was.

Old Sg comes back talking about how he's been to Libertarian rallies in the past, etc. etc. That valuable time he isn't going to waste anymore reading my posts, was badly spent in the first place because apparently he doesn't really read posts, he skims them and responds emotionally.

I will still read his posts because like nearly all FReepers, he has valuable insight. He will stop reading mine solely because he is proud and narrow-minded.

33 posted on 01/27/2014 10:50:48 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

No, I will stop reading your posts because you’re thread stalking.


34 posted on 01/27/2014 12:23:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: muir_redwoods

+1.

Gallup has a poll out showing that 73% of Americans see bug government as the biggest threat out there.

But that 73% will easily allow itself to fall victim to the kind of divide and conquer tactics that give the Dem power again and again and again.

If there was a functioning right of center government we could argue semantics. But we dont and this is now about survival. We Conservatives damn well better figure out how to form a coalition with the “libertarians”.


35 posted on 01/27/2014 12:31:59 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Big government, not bug government. Freudian slip, not autocorrect that time ... ;-)


36 posted on 01/27/2014 12:34:29 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

I have no religious feelings or leanings at all. I don’t think I’m unusual in that I wouldn’t have any problem voting for a religious conservative. The convergence for us is economics. Libertarians would never favor any encroachment on religious freedoms and almost half small “L” libertarians are pro life.

Somehow we libertarians and social conservatives need to combine efforts to get the socialists out of our country. The republic’s very survival depends on it.


37 posted on 01/27/2014 6:29:44 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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