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Red states see higher divorce rate, research shows
Fox 25 OKC ^ | 1-21-14 | By: Rebecca Schleicher

Posted on 01/24/2014 2:52:16 PM PST by Oliviaforever

Divorce hits red states harder than blue states, according to new research out of the University of Texas and University of Iowa.

The research, published in the American Journal of Sociology, looks at religion and divorce and found the more conservative an area, the higher the divorce rate.

(Excerpt) Read more at okcfox.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluestates; divorce; redstates
At it's very best, this is junk science at worst an attack on traditional marriage.
1 posted on 01/24/2014 2:52:16 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.


2 posted on 01/24/2014 2:56:59 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: Oliviaforever

I can only speak for myself, but my conservative friends actually get married, while those I know who are DIMs don’t get married, they ‘co-habitat’. So I could understand why ‘divorce’ (ie opposite of marriage) is higher in conservative areas.


3 posted on 01/24/2014 2:57:10 PM PST by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Oliviaforever

It’s easy to have low divorce rates when nobody gets married.


4 posted on 01/24/2014 2:57:37 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Oliviaforever

Credibility? I think....ZERO!


5 posted on 01/24/2014 2:57:42 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: CMailBag

“People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.”

Bingo!


6 posted on 01/24/2014 2:58:03 PM PST by freeagle
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To: freeagle

Wait 4 Gay Marriage and THEN see what happens!


7 posted on 01/24/2014 2:59:38 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Oliviaforever
The research, published in the American Journal of Sociology, looks at religion and divorce and found the more conservative an area, the higher the divorce rate.

It doesn't count as a divorce if there was no married to begin with. That's how liberal areas can claim, statistically, to have a lower divorce rate.

8 posted on 01/24/2014 3:00:30 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Oliviaforever
"The longer an individual waits to get married and have children, the less likely they are to divorce," said researcher Dr. Jennifer Glass.

If you wait long enough it goes to zero.

9 posted on 01/24/2014 3:01:17 PM PST by Hugin
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To: LoneStarGI

No, the research is more insidious than that.

They are working with percentages and the number of marriages would not impact that.

They have either corrupted the data or are attacking efforts to protect traditional marriage.


10 posted on 01/24/2014 3:02:33 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: CMailBag
People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.


11 posted on 01/24/2014 3:02:43 PM PST by Iron Munro (Orwell: There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them.)
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To: CMailBag

“People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.”

Beat me to it.


12 posted on 01/24/2014 3:03:18 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: DIRTYSECRET
"Wait 4 Gay Marriage and THEN see what happens!"

Same sex marriages won't be included in the statistics.

13 posted on 01/24/2014 3:05:03 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: Oliviaforever

But.........there are probably fewer marriages per capita in blue states.


14 posted on 01/24/2014 3:14:11 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: LoneStarGI; CMailBag; Oliviaforever
You got it. The divorce rate is always lower where the marriage rate is low, because unmarried couples can couple and decouple and couple and decouple multiple times, and it never counts as a divorce.

That's why statistics are misleading.

And in some cases, deliberately misleading.

15 posted on 01/24/2014 3:14:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Torture your data long enough and it'll confess to anything." - Businessweek)
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To: Oliviaforever

No info on how this “research” was done. And the reporter has no idea how to use apostrophes.

And from the editor of the Journal where it was published:

Barbara Celarent is a region of the ocean spirit. She emerges from time to time as that spirit’s interest in comprehending the phenomena of particularity and difference.”Barbara Celarent” is simply the name given to the minimal definition and constancy thereby achieved.

Since humans appear to be one of the vanguards exploring phenomena of difference, an occasional aspect of this minimal constancy is indwelling in humans. Celarent has most often taken the form of the woman shown to the left.
At present (2049) Celarent has a number of particular characteristics: she “is” a woman of 51 years with a wide variety of experiences acquired while indwelling various humans. She also “is” Neptunian Professor of the Sociology of Particularity at the University of Atlantis, with research continuing into the peculiar behavior of humans.
None of this has any enduring reality. Celarent simply emerges and disappears.
The American Journal of Sociology reviews

One of Celarent’s attempts to be particular is a series of essays about old books in social science. These began to appear in the year 2009. As an aspect of eternity, Celarent is not particularly bothered by the anachronisms involved. Her “bibliography” appears below.

Comments about Celarent’s reviews and suggestions for works she should read should be sent to Andrew Abbott at the email address noted below. Professor Abbott is occasionally visited by Celarent and passes on such material to her.

http://home.uchicago.edu/~aabbott/barbara.html

Okay.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 3:17:28 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: CMailBag

Thanks. That is what I was thinking.


17 posted on 01/24/2014 3:21:23 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Oliviaforever

The only divorce that matters will be the divorce of the Red states from the Blue states.


18 posted on 01/24/2014 3:23:43 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: CMailBag

“People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.”

TTWROOMM*

(*Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth.)


19 posted on 01/24/2014 3:24:13 PM PST by moovova
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To: Oliviaforever
I wonder how many conservatives got married because "it was the right thing to do," when the bride got pregnant early?

In liberal areas, the woman just "takes care of the problem," and no one wants to marry such.

no marriage = no divorce.

20 posted on 01/24/2014 3:27:21 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: CMailBag
People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.

They do where the perverted behavior of queer "marriage" is recognized as being a marriage.

21 posted on 01/24/2014 3:27:48 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: CMailBag

Blue states probably have higher income inequality too for same reason.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 3:28:31 PM PST by ully2
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To: Repeat Offender

That would be a huge factor in this data as conservative women in Red States do not have abortions.


23 posted on 01/24/2014 3:30:58 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: CMailBag
<> True. But unfortunately lower class whites -- otherwise conservative -- are losing their morals too. The white out-of-wedlock birth rate is catching up with the abysmal black illegitimate rate. Blue collar whites are leaving churches and going on Social Security disability.
24 posted on 01/24/2014 3:34:15 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: Oliviaforever

How many single moms on welfare in blue states?

Huh?

Huh?

Didn’t think you wanted facts.


25 posted on 01/24/2014 3:35:32 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: CMailBag
People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.

Bingo!

26 posted on 01/24/2014 3:37:17 PM PST by NEWwoman (God Bless America)
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To: Oliviaforever
Now read this very carefully to see if YOU can recognize the misleading methodology (not surprising) employed by this survey, in order to get the result that they wanted:

"...Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Okay, did you spot it? If not, here is a hint:

at 13 per 1000 people
at 6 and 7 per 1000 people

That's right, they are measuring the divorce rate by taking the number of divorces per the number of PEOPLE in the population. Any good scientist knows that to reach conclusions from from a data set like this, you need to remove all the "variables". Clearly, in reaching the conclusion (that they wanted to reach) about conservatives they did not take into account that people in conservative states are far more likely go get married. More marriages, mean more divorces!

In other words, in these fractions 13/1000 vs. 6/1000 or 7/1000, the denominator should not be PEOPLE (1000) they should be MARRIAGES!

I am almost willing to bet that if this survey was done correctly, than the result would be something like 13/300 in the red state vs. 6/100 in the blue state, (or something like that). But of course, since that would shoe (correctly) the higher actual divorce rate in the blue states, they opted to use the flawed method to get the result that they wanted.
27 posted on 01/24/2014 3:48:13 PM PST by zencycler
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To: Black Agnes

Also it’s harder for non-smokers to quit smoking than smokers.

People who immerse themselves in water are more likely to drown than people who don’t.


28 posted on 01/24/2014 3:49:34 PM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: CMailBag

I was going to say the same thing.


29 posted on 01/24/2014 3:51:25 PM PST by jch10 (John Beohner has got to be removed from the Speaker position.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Wish I could edit AFTER posting: "that would shoe (correctly) = "that would show (correctly)
30 posted on 01/24/2014 3:52:05 PM PST by zencycler
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To: Oliviaforever

This is also working with lumped data: by states.

Actually, there are many states designated red or blue which have large minorities of the “wrong” political color. There are actually a fair number of conservative people in New Jersey, and they tend to stay married. The others get married at a low rate, and when they finally do, they don’t have very many years left in which to get divorced. There are many variables here, which is why working my whole states is not very useful.

One also must consider the population structure of each state.

It is also the case that people who marry more than once are often great believers in marriage: they will keep trying. People who don’t believe in marriage will simply cohabit, move on, and forget about it.

I have always wondered: if marriage is such a nuisance, why are gays so eager to have it? Do they see it as such a great success among normal people?

They claim that there are benefits. I think that really the motive is that they want social approval.

Well, not all normal (heterosexual) marriages are good. Sometimes the couple is mismatched, or too young, or two immature, or one or both are just not equipped for what marriage requires. I know many marriages which were disasters, mainly because one of the pair was dishonest, or somewhat unstable mentally.

One of my friends who suffered a bad marriage summed it up by asking, why can’t the good people marry each other, and the bad people stick together and mess up each other’s lives? Why do they have to marry good people and bring them grief? It’s a good point.


31 posted on 01/24/2014 4:04:02 PM PST by docbnj
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To: Oliviaforever

Ha! Ha! So desparate.


32 posted on 01/24/2014 4:40:28 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: zencycler

If the analysis were done county by county (or town in the case of New England) I am sure the results would be very different. There are very, very liberal voting counties in Alabama.


33 posted on 01/24/2014 5:31:08 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: MSF BU

Another good point!


34 posted on 01/24/2014 5:39:35 PM PST by zencycler
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To: CMailBag

You beat me to it!


35 posted on 01/24/2014 5:41:12 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: Oliviaforever

I seriously doubt their research.

You don’t have to worry about the divorce rate in the blue states since they probably have large numbers who live together with out marriage. Only homosexuals want to get married in those places.


36 posted on 01/24/2014 6:07:31 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: CMailBag

“People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.”

Exactly!!


37 posted on 01/24/2014 6:21:02 PM PST by Laserman
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To: Oliviaforever

As many have already said, the libs are so far gone, they don’t even bother to get married anymore, so of course their divorce rate is going to be lower.


38 posted on 01/24/2014 7:50:05 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: CMailBag
People in blue states don’t get married in the first place.

Yep. Here in the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois it seems like virtually all the 20 somethings just cohabit (in my day it was called shacking up).

39 posted on 01/24/2014 7:55:28 PM PST by Marathoner (When Obama fails, freedom prevails)
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To: zencycler

Is this my old college statistics prof?
(good catch)


40 posted on 01/27/2014 5:35:07 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: TurboZamboni

LOL - thanks. I actually did teach Accounting for several years at a 2-year college in NY, but never statistics. But I guess I still write like a “prof”.

But unless you’re from China and went to got and went to business school in NY, I doubt I was your prof.


41 posted on 01/28/2014 6:35:20 AM PST by zencycler
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To: Oliviaforever

It’s an attempt to devalue the beliefs of traditional Christians and Americans.


42 posted on 01/28/2014 6:37:14 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: zencycler

nope. you’re not him.

mine was great at having us dissect new stories and pull apart the language to show it was either senseless or lying.


43 posted on 01/28/2014 7:13:04 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Alex Murphy

There’s actually plenty of truth to that. New England has loads of single parent and cohabiting individuals, so when they say low divorce, well, take it with a pinch of salt.


44 posted on 02/12/2014 7:48:35 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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