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Gun flight: Smith & Wesson, Ruger quit California over stamping requirement
Fox News ^ | January 24, 2014 | Perry Chiaramonte

Posted on 01/24/2014 5:24:11 PM PST by Olog-hai

A new gun law proponents say helps law enforcement has driven Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger out of California, and affirmed the suspicions of firearms rights advocates that the measure is really about making handguns obsolete.

The two companies have announced they will stop selling their wares in the nation’s most populous state rather than try to comply with a law that requires some handguns to have technology that imprints a tiny stamp on the bullet so it can be traced back to the gun. The companies, and many gun enthusiasts, say so-called “microstamping” technology is unworkable in its present form and can actually impair a gun’s performance. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; guncontrol; lofan; microstamping; ruger; smithandwesson; sturmruger

1 posted on 01/24/2014 5:24:11 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Does that include the State of California law enforcement as well?


2 posted on 01/24/2014 5:26:04 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Olog-hai

No different then Poll Taxes.

Intent of the law is to abridge an enumerated Right.

Facially Un-Constitutional.


3 posted on 01/24/2014 5:26:47 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Lurker
Someone asked that question in the comments section of this LA Times article. I don’t know the answer, myself.
4 posted on 01/24/2014 5:27:04 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I doubt any of the major companies will go to the trouble and expense of making guns for California.


5 posted on 01/24/2014 5:28:30 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

Be a good time to be a gun dealer in Nevada.


6 posted on 01/24/2014 5:29:54 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: Olog-hai

If S&W and Ruger management had any balls they’d do what Ronnie Barrett did and tell California that their government business is no longer welcome.

Let California LE buy their weapons from Russia.


7 posted on 01/24/2014 5:32:50 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: CMailBag

“Be a good time to be a gun dealer in Nevada.”

They cannot sell to California residents, sorry.


8 posted on 01/24/2014 5:40:22 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Olog-hai

Good. Hope it includes law enforcement like Barrett did.


9 posted on 01/24/2014 5:44:52 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Lurker
Does that include the State of California law enforcement as well?

LE is exempt with any luck the manufacturers will just stop doing business with the state altogether.

10 posted on 01/24/2014 5:51:51 PM PST by KirbDog
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To: Olog-hai

What a stupid idea. California used to be something special. Now it is that dog poop you didn’t see and stepped on it with your brand new athletic shoes. The soles have to be pressure washed to get the poop out of the treads. Ronald Reagan was the last decent governor of that state. Too much poop to walk there now.


11 posted on 01/24/2014 6:00:51 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: KirbDog

“LE is exempt ...”

And I just wonders why that would be....?


12 posted on 01/24/2014 6:01:24 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (It's difficult to differentiate between a hog calling contest and a Senate rollcall.)
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To: KirbDog

The gun manufacturers will only be successful when all the big guys get together and collectively (nice red word) refuse to do any business with California (guns, bullets, supplies, etc), unless this law is voided.

A boycott has to have complete unity of purpose in order to succeed. Time to play hardball, guys. No more whusses and greedy businessmen.

This is too important to our country to screw it up by having individual interests put above those of the industry and of our country.

A win in California would send tsunami-sized ripples throught the leftist state governments esp. Colorado and New York. Illinois is beyond salvage.

Time to shit or got off the pot!


13 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:08 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Olog-hai

Does this include private sales?


14 posted on 01/24/2014 6:41:01 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Olog-hai

When guns are outlawed, only...yawl know the rest. Apparently this law only applies to semi-automatic handguns. Revolvers are not yet required to have the stamping capability. But we know if this law passes and is upheld in the courts, all the rest of the firearms will have to follow suit. Article doesn’t say if currently owned firearms are grandfathered in does it?


15 posted on 01/24/2014 7:03:32 PM PST by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: ImNotLying

I wish Mr Chiaramonte knew a little bit about his subject before writing an article like this. He states: “The telltale mark theoretically allows law enforcement investigators to trace the bullet to the registered gun owner.” Law enforcement is not going to track down any perpetrators if they find a “bullet” because the the marking is put on the shell casing by the firing pin.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 7:12:00 PM PST by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: ImNotLying

OK, I will correct myself, I suppose they could match a bullet with a shell casing they find at the scene.


17 posted on 01/24/2014 7:16:43 PM PST by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: Lurker
Does that include the State of California law enforcement as well?

It should. If microstamping would work so well to solve crimes, wouldn't it also be invaluable in the investigation of a police shooting?

18 posted on 01/24/2014 7:35:40 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: KirbDog

I hope this costs the overpaid controlling AH’s running CA government millions in taxes.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 7:37:41 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Ronald Reagan was the last decent governor of that state.

What was the matter with Deukmajian?
20 posted on 01/24/2014 7:58:20 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (The only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.--Moshe Yaalon)
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To: ImNotLying
OK, I will correct myself, I suppose they could match a bullet with a shell casing they find at the scene.

Judging by condition of bullets that hit nearly anything, the only thing you can conclude from that bullet is what caliber it was, more or less. If there is some intact surface that touched the barrel then perhaps one can look for scratches that are made by that individual barrel. But the casing is designed to release a bullet without much fuss. Many .22LR bullets can be pulled out of the casing just with fingers, and there is precious little contact surface that was ever shared by the brass and the lead.

21 posted on 01/24/2014 8:06:44 PM PST by Greysard
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To: ImNotLying
Revolvers are not yet required to have the stamping capability.

It would be minimally useful because revolvers do not eject spent brass, and there would be nothing left for investigators to investigate.

22 posted on 01/24/2014 8:09:10 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Olog-hai

I think the rest of the states should hold an election to determine if CA can continue to be part of the U.S.A.

I’d vote against it.


23 posted on 01/24/2014 9:19:30 PM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder how much money the State of California has made off of sales tax on S&W guns over the last 10 years.

Guess they’ll have to tax something else more to make up for the loss.


24 posted on 01/24/2014 9:51:56 PM PST by proudpapa (A school is supposed to be a safe place!' Yeah well so is a womb!)
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To: Greysard

.22LR uses a bullet with a heel, so it’s probably not the best example.


25 posted on 01/24/2014 10:32:11 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: proudpapa

As long as the gun remains on the roster, S&W will continue to make it, and sell it in Cali. There are a few still on the roster, so S&W will be in the Cali semi-auto pistol business for a while yet.


26 posted on 01/24/2014 10:35:03 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Olog-hai

When, oh when, will the arms manufacturers wake up? Were I one of them, gun or ammo manufacturers, I would immediately and publicly, cease all sales to state and federal police forces. and hold that stance until all gun-grabbing ceases.


27 posted on 01/25/2014 1:51:00 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Olog-hai

I applaude Smith and Wesson and Ruger for their corporate issued statements.

Now, when do you, dear reader, think we ‘might’ hear from:
Wilson Arms; Kimber Arms; Springfield Armory; Colt; or even, (gulp and deep breath), that-Austrian-company-that-why-I-don’t-know-manufactures-the-ugliest-thing-to-be-called-a-pistol; any European firearms manufacturer that sells in this country?

(To quantify my question, I prefer steel pistols that you can carry in Condition One, do NOT have ‘decockers’ - and have viewable hammers, with a downward-to-fire traveled safety.)

For example:

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail-historic.asp?cid=051&tid=022&fid=007B&cattype=051022


28 posted on 01/25/2014 5:49:27 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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