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Gun firms’ ‘microstamping’ protests are ‘baloney,’ law’s author says (California)
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 24, 2014, 7:09 a.m. | Phil Willon

Posted on 01/24/2014 5:35:23 PM PST by Olog-hai

Gun makers’ objections to a California law that requires firearms to imprint a unique “microstamp” on bullet casings are “baloney” and “posturing,” said Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer, who introduced the legislation while serving in the state Assembly.

Feuer’s comments come as gun maker Smith & Wesson announced Thursday that it would stop selling newly designed semiautomatic pistols in California because it will not comply with the law, implemented in May 2013.

The law requires some firearms to imprint a unique “microstamp” to help identify bullet casings. It is intended to help police investigators link shell casings found at crime scenes to a specific gun.

Smith & Wesson joins gun maker Sturm, Ruger & Co. in halting the sales. Both companies criticized the microstamping requirement as costly, unreliable and ineffective, saying that there is no evidence that it will help solve crimes. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; california; lofan; microstamping; smithandwesson
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1 posted on 01/24/2014 5:35:23 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

someone can find your empty casing and drop it at a crime screen and bingo


2 posted on 01/24/2014 5:38:18 PM PST by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: Olog-hai

Or you could file the stamp down and eliminate any marking.


3 posted on 01/24/2014 5:40:25 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

CA Libturds are malarkey.


4 posted on 01/24/2014 5:41:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: driftdiver

Use two six-guns, like a cowboy.


5 posted on 01/24/2014 5:41:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

Swap out the firing pin from a state that doesn’t require it?


6 posted on 01/24/2014 5:41:49 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: driftdiver

Or if you were really clever, get a second firing pin file it down use it for the crime and then replace the unaltered pin in your weapon. Not a bad idea to have a second barrel also.


7 posted on 01/24/2014 5:42:36 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Paladin2
Use two six-guns, like a cowboy.

Good idea of course they could always police there brass. I see the sales of brass catchers increasing in Cali.

8 posted on 01/24/2014 5:44:15 PM PST by KirbDog
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To: Olog-hai

Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer is what I call, an Imbecile Extraordinaire.

This Dumb F*** has NO IDEA how easy it is to change out a firing pin on ANY weapon, with an AFTER MARKET part.

Anti gun nutz are just that: NUTZ!

Only a barking moonbat could cook up this kind of stupidity and think its SMART!

Commie pigs really are brain damaged.


9 posted on 01/24/2014 5:45:52 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Olog-hai

Socialists are a cancer, but they are very clever.

Like getting control of health care, they know not to do it all at once, but piece by piece.

Take something that they want to get rid of, like guns, and gradually make it more expensive and more difficult to have. When they eventually have it down to just a few people left that own them, then they make their move to confiscate. It’s easier because fewer people complaining are simple to make out to be “extremists”.


10 posted on 01/24/2014 5:47:05 PM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: KirbDog
" I see the sales of brass catchers increasing in Cali. "

Given the state of ammo availability for hand gunz, it's almost a requirement these daze.

11 posted on 01/24/2014 5:48:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai
Screw the Calif. peeps.

They voted for what they got.

12 posted on 01/24/2014 5:49:14 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Olog-hai

To the author of that law...

I’m a firearms manufacturer and developer. I’ve got years of experience in the firearms field, more so than the author of that law.

So, chew on this... microstamping creates sharp edges inside the chamber and on the firing pin. This will lead to hot spots in the chamber and potential failure points on the cartridge case. This is a safety concern and potentially fatal issue.

Should an injury occur because of microstamping, I will be happy to testify against you in court along with other experts in my field.

I can prove scientifically that microstamping is dangerous and an unnecessary hazard to the operator of the firearm. I guess I’ll be seeing you in court at some point.

Oh, and my company is reaffirming its decision to not sell to the state of California or any law enforcement or government agencies there.


13 posted on 01/24/2014 5:49:14 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: driftdiver

Or order a replacement firing pin from just about a thousand different sources.


14 posted on 01/24/2014 5:50:08 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Olog-hai

Remember the Democrat in Colorado who said MagPul was bluffing about leaving the state?

Democrat legislators couldn’t pass a stupid test.


15 posted on 01/24/2014 5:51:53 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Olog-hai

From the article:
“Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer said microstamping technology
has been reliable and available since before the 2007 law was passed...”
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Are any manufacturers actually doing microstamping?
I’ve never seen one, other than as a prototype/concept.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 5:52:57 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: BCR #226

Now where’s that dang LIKE button when ya need it. ;)


17 posted on 01/24/2014 5:55:04 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Olog-hai

The intent of this law was exactly to make it too prohibitive to manufacture and sell semi-automatic pistols in CA and you can bet that if S&W and Ruger can’t/won’t make them, no other maker will either. The net and intended result is that there will be no new semi-auto pistols in CA. This is the single biggest gun grabber victory in history. They wiped out a whole class of firearms without even having to ban them.

Their next holy grail is the so-called assault rifles. Look for CA to require microstamping for all semi-auto rifles next. Other blue states will follow suit.


18 posted on 01/24/2014 5:55:07 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Repeal The 17th

The LA Times is congenitally incapable of honest reporting when it comes to gun control.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 5:56:21 PM PST by Misterioso (All life is a purposeful struggle, and your only choice is the choice of a goal. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Olog-hai
Is that you Carlos?
20 posted on 01/24/2014 5:57:03 PM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Olog-hai

I read somewhere that a .22 LR revolver was the weapon of choice for assassins.

Uh, wasn’t that what Michael Corleone used to take out Sollazzo and McCloskey?

Makes sense to me.


21 posted on 01/24/2014 5:58:14 PM PST by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Olog-hai

I remember an episode of “Perry Mason” where he solves the crime by demonstrating how easy it is to exchange the barrels of a Colt .25 Auto.

The model 1911 is extremely easy to strip and remove the firing pin and barrel. Not so sure of other types tho. Anyway if I wanted to exchange them, the .45 auto is not exactly hard to find.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 5:58:44 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Olog-hai
said Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer

My, my, how fitting.......

23 posted on 01/24/2014 5:59:11 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Olog-hai
from one of Kalifornia leading anti-Bill of Rights advocates, surprise by it's slant?
one of pResident 0'ButtCracks' media shills had written it.

24 posted on 01/24/2014 5:59:44 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Olog-hai

Support RGR and SWHC. Buy a gun this week.


25 posted on 01/24/2014 6:01:37 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Olog-hai
BTW, who the hell is this idiot Mike Feuer, and how much pot does he smoke?

Or just maybe, how much vodka does he do on a weeknight?


Or is he a BARKING MOONBAT??



26 posted on 01/24/2014 6:03:43 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: BCR #226
my company is reaffirming its decision to not sell to the state of California or any law enforcement or government agencies there.

Thank you, friend.

27 posted on 01/24/2014 6:06:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KirbDog

I was a juror on a case where the hit weapon was a .22 Ruger with a catch bag for the brass and a large silencer. Easy fix; the bag was home made.


28 posted on 01/24/2014 6:07:18 PM PST by Loud Mime (Character matters for those who understand the concept)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

Ya vol mina FEUER!


29 posted on 01/24/2014 6:09:58 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Loud Mime

I have no personal knowledge but have read that at one time both the Mafia and Israeli intelligence agencies used the Beretta model 70 for killing. It is a light, handy and totally reliable automatic.

It is chambered for the .22LR.


30 posted on 01/24/2014 6:12:10 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Mastador1

And ejector.


31 posted on 01/24/2014 6:15:23 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

Yup, a little knowledge and skill, a few spare parts that disappear and your gun no longer matches the evidence. Just make sure that you only handle the rounds with gloves. Of course this would be seen as premeditated.


32 posted on 01/24/2014 6:20:23 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Olog-hai
Big companies don't posture they make business decisions.

A concept that's foreign to a politician.

33 posted on 01/24/2014 6:20:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: yarddog

http://www.tactical-life.com/magazines/tactical-weapons/israeli-mossad-22-lrs/


34 posted on 01/24/2014 6:22:31 PM PST by Loud Mime (Character matters for those who understand the concept)
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To: x1stcav
Michael Corleone used a S&W Mod 36 in 38 special.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Godfather,_The
35 posted on 01/24/2014 6:27:05 PM PST by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: x1stcav
"Uh, wasn’t that what Michael Corleone used to take out Sollazzo and McCloskey?"

I'm pretty sure Mickey was using a .38 snub nose not a .22

36 posted on 01/24/2014 6:35:58 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Olog-hai
Gun makers’ objections to a California law that requires firearms to imprint a unique “microstamp” on bullet casings are “baloney” and “posturing,” said Los Angeles City Atty. Mike Feuer, who introduced the legislation while serving in the state Assembly.

Why does this moron CARE? It means that no more S&W's will be sold in California. You would think he would be happy about that. Talk about liberals being completely clueless.

37 posted on 01/24/2014 6:39:52 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Windflier

You’re welcome. If you hit the link in my tagline, you can see it in our policies.


38 posted on 01/24/2014 6:50:28 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: BCR #226; All

I want to see Mike Feuer’s (the author of the law) engineering degree, years experience in the field, and professional licenses.

Even then, he is speaking as and advocate, not a technical expert.

Conservatives protest Government. Leftists protest reality.


39 posted on 01/24/2014 6:53:31 PM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Olog-hai

Like anyone believes a CA lawmakers lib arts idiot.

Hey dork, science is NOT your friend.


40 posted on 01/24/2014 6:55:21 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Olog-hai
Another good reason to work for

SECESSION!


41 posted on 01/24/2014 7:02:48 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Loud Mime

Thanks. That is interesting that he was unafraid to take on the machine pistol armed Palestinians with his little Beretta model 70 in .22LR.

He not only took them on, he prevailed.

In 1974 I bought a Beretta model 70 from Looboyles in Tulsa. They had two for sale. One was a blued model with a polished finish. The other was identical except it had a matte finish, was imported by Galef rather than Beretta.

The Galef model was one third the price of the other one. They were equal in quality. Of course I bought the cheap one.


42 posted on 01/24/2014 7:02:55 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: driftdiver
Or you could file the stamp down and eliminate any marking.

There is plenty of steel on a firing pin that it can be "stoned" clean and slick in about 10 minutes. It will still fire just fine.

43 posted on 01/24/2014 7:04:15 PM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged with and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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To: Olog-hai

The only baloney is the bull crap coming out of the mouths of these statists who want to legislate the Second Amendment out of existence incrementally.

I hope he goes down to hell with the idiot state he serves in.


44 posted on 01/24/2014 7:04:41 PM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: BCR #226; marktwain

Ping to 13.

Good post.


45 posted on 01/24/2014 7:05:57 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SkyDancer
"Swap out the firing pin from a state that doesn’t require it?"

Not necessary just use a knife sharpening stone and make it smooth. The firing pins are plenty long enough to still work fine. It takes about 10 minutes.

46 posted on 01/24/2014 7:06:11 PM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged with and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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To: Paladin2

“Screw the Calif. peeps.
They voted for what they got.”

So you voted for Obama?


47 posted on 01/24/2014 7:07:05 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Paladin2
Screw the Calif. peeps.

It's easy to be a conservative in a red state. Try walking a mile in my shoes.

48 posted on 01/24/2014 7:11:42 PM PST by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

They aren’t nuts. Nor are they stupid.

They don’t care if their laws don’t work. They don’t care how much it costs to fight them. They don’t care who dies because of their laws. Spewing a ton of fudd in the air is all they care about. Keep enough of the populace ignorant and in the dark, and they’ve got a lock on the votes.

They are in charge and they will do what they want until they are stopped...

Choose your favorite method for accomplishing said stoppage and get to it.


49 posted on 01/24/2014 7:15:14 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Battling the State is going to come first in the 'rat states.

I live in a "border" state and am planning to move to a more Conservative place to live out my life.

(I eschew the media given State Colors.)

50 posted on 01/24/2014 7:15:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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