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Judge Allows Husbandís Bid to Cut Pregnant Wife From Life Support, Kill His Unborn Child
Life News ^ | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 01/24/2014 6:54:06 PM PST by Morgana

A judge allowed a Texas husband’s bid to remove his “brain dead” pregnant wife from life support, an action that would end the life of his own unborn child.

Marlise Munoz collapsed in her home last November from an apparent blood clot in her lungs when she was 14 weeks pregnant with her second child. Her husband and other family members have asked the John Peter Smith Hospital in Ft. Worth to remove Marlise from life support after they were told she was “brain dead.” Ending life support would also end her unborn baby’s life.

munozSo far John Peter Smith Hospital officials have refused to follow the family’s request, citing a Texas law that prohibits hospitals from removing life support from pregnant women.

Erick Munoz, who says a doctor has told him his wife is brain dead, has filed a lawsuit against JPS Health Network. But, the judge in the case sided with the state law and hospital.

The judge ordered the hospital to remove life support by 5 p.m. Monday.

The designation of “brain death” is a controversial one and presents moral and ethical issues, especially when the life of a baby is involved. There are many cases where babies have survived after the mothers have experienced similar situations to that of Marlise Munoz. There is a very strong possibility that Marlise’s baby could survive, given a little more time.

“We feel great compassion for the family of Marlise Munoz and her pre-born baby. No one ever wants to be in their difficult and tragic situation,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue. “Marlise wanted this baby, and as long as there is a chance that he or she can be saved, we support John Peter Smith Hospital in their bid to follow the law and protect this baby’s life.”

“The public has been given the erroneous impression that Marlise is a dead and decaying corpse. This assumption is completely false. Marlise’s heart continues to beat and she continues to nourish her pre-born baby. A rotting corpse cannot do that,” said Newman. “As for the baby, we have information that diagnostic tests have not been done on the baby to support allegations that there are developmental anomalies, but even if the baby does have health issues, that baby still does not deserve to be killed.”

Newman added after the ruling:

We are appalled by Judge Wallace’s order to terminate life support for Marlise Munoz and her baby. The order is the equivalent of signing a death sentence for Baby Munoz. We utterly reject the false notion that Marlise’s body is a rotting corpse, which is impossible since a decaying body cannot support the life of a baby for weeks, as Marlise has.

Killing people because they are disabled is wrong, and dangerously devalues all life. We condemn in the strongest terms this order to fatally discriminate against this disabled mother and her baby, especially in light of the fact that there are people standing by to adopt the baby knowing that the child will have special needs.

Even if the Munoz baby has suffered disabilities due to Marlise’s condition, numerous people have expressed an interest in adopting the Munoz baby regardless of whether he or she has special needs.

Abortion groups like NARAL have coldly sided with Marlise’s husband in calling on the hospital to kill Marlise and her baby.

“Some people want to decide who lives and who dies based on their personal criteria. If that was allowed, none of our lives would be safe. We simply cannot murder sick or inconvenient people just because we don’t want the hassle of caring for them. That is a dangerous road that will only end up unjustly depriving vast numbers of people of their right to life, just as we have seen with the issue of abortion,” said Newman.

Writing at LifeNews, Calvin Frieberger says abortion activists are upset.

As Newsbusters’ Katie Yoder documents, pro-aborts far and wide are seething with rage over this. But curiously, that’s despite the fact that almost none of their token justifications are present. Delivery will no longer affect Marlise’s well-being, and as Cox points out, whatever end-of-life wishes she had told Erick almost certainly didn’t account for the remote possibility that ending her life would also end her son or daughter’s, in what is presumably a desired pregnancy.

That means a man is presuming to make a woman’s reproductive decision for her—with the full backing of the supposed “reproductive rights” champions. Apparently the outcome of a dead baby is all that matters.


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KEYWORDS: abortion; munoz; prolife; texas
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1 posted on 01/24/2014 6:54:06 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

It’s unfortunate that he doesn’t desire his child.


2 posted on 01/24/2014 6:54:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Morgana

Truly tragic.


3 posted on 01/24/2014 6:56:18 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Morgana

So will Wendy Davis be there to “pull the plug” ?
With a phanlanx of MSM reporters?
That should be worth another $10 mil in campaign donations.


4 posted on 01/24/2014 6:58:03 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Morgana

“Apparently the outcome of a dead baby is all that matters.”

BINGO, we have a winner. The pro-abort crowd make me SICK!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 01/24/2014 6:58:58 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Jonty30

There’s a special circle in hell reserved for this jerk....


6 posted on 01/24/2014 6:59:35 PM PST by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: Morgana

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865594844/Fetus-of-brain-dead-woman-not-viable-according-to-family.html

The family’s lawyers released a statement Wednesday concerning the abnormality of the fetus, which they say is grounds to disconnect Marlise from the life support.

In the statement, as reported by the Huffington Post, they said that the fetus’ lower extremities are so deformed that a sex cannot be determined, there is water building up in the skull and there appears to be a heart problem.


7 posted on 01/24/2014 7:04:37 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: Morgana

So, is he playing god by removing support or is providing support playing god?


8 posted on 01/24/2014 7:05:57 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: Morgana

Any reports on what Marlise’s parents/siblings would like to see happen to mother and child? Just curious, as all I’ve read is her husbands wishes to see his flesh and blood - and his older child’s flesh and blood - killed.


9 posted on 01/24/2014 7:06:28 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Morgana

Prayers for the mother and her baby.


10 posted on 01/24/2014 7:11:17 PM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Morgana

What the hell is wrong with this “family”. These people are sick and demented wanting to kill the baby. Arghhhh!~


11 posted on 01/24/2014 7:12:53 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: freebilly

A little mercy, a little understanding, a little patience. You’ve never experienced both the loss of a spouse and loss of a child, I assume. You know that the child is in such a mess that he/she won’t survive the birth, right, even if he/she make it to 9 months?


12 posted on 01/24/2014 7:18:30 PM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

I agree with you. this is a tragic situation all the way around. And there are medical reasons here that are more complicated than I may be able to understand.


13 posted on 01/24/2014 7:27:06 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Theo

This is an abortion. Plain and simple.

A human life is at stake.

Is this baby’s life more consequential than a pimple or cockroach?


14 posted on 01/24/2014 7:28:40 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Theo

I want to know the truth health of the baby, not just what the father’s lawyers say is the condition of the baby. Are the baby’s extremeties really deformed? Is there really water on the brain? Is this the truth, or made up by the father’s lawyers. How do they know the condition of the baby? What does the hospital and its doctors say? Who’s telling the truth here and what is the actual condition of the baby?


15 posted on 01/24/2014 7:30:43 PM PST by flaglady47 (Proud Conservative Republican)
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To: flaglady47

extremeties = extremities, above. Typo.


16 posted on 01/24/2014 7:32:05 PM PST by flaglady47 (Proud Conservative Republican)
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To: flaglady47

How about the baby, once born, show us his/her “viability”? What’s the harm in that?


17 posted on 01/24/2014 7:32:55 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: freerepublicchat

I believe the proper use of the word God is capitalized.


18 posted on 01/24/2014 7:34:49 PM PST by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: Morgana

So.... 14 weeks, plus 10 weeks puts the baby at 24 weeks... sounds like a murder to me.


19 posted on 01/24/2014 7:37:00 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Jane Long

exactly


20 posted on 01/24/2014 7:38:26 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: freerepublicchat

Providing life support to an otherwise dead person is playing God.


21 posted on 01/24/2014 7:43:18 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

And pulling the plug with a viable baby is not?


22 posted on 01/24/2014 7:47:11 PM PST by doc1019
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To: John Valentine

She’s not dead Einstein, a corpse can’t support a baby.


23 posted on 01/24/2014 7:54:00 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Morgana

Doesn’t this father have another child? I wonder how that child will feel about him when he or she realizes he killed their sibling. Especially since that would be that child’s only full brother or sister.


24 posted on 01/24/2014 7:55:35 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Morgana

This article says nothing about the baby’s current state. From what I heard it doesn’t sound good. What if the baby has no chance of surviving and is suffering now? Horrible situation.


25 posted on 01/24/2014 7:55:58 PM PST by willk
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To: Morgana

If this “Husband” really wanted this child, he would want her kept alive so that she has a lasting legacy, instead he wants the child killed..what a despicable human being


26 posted on 01/24/2014 7:57:05 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

the baby is as dead as the mother.... keeping a body ‘going’ doesn’t mean that decay hasn’t set in....too many folks here do not understand the human body and how it functions. They think they do but they don’t.


27 posted on 01/24/2014 8:00:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: GeronL

the baby is not ‘living’....you apparently are uninformed about what happens to one’s body at death...even IF the machines keep pumping air into your lungs and try and force blood through your veins. Ignorance is no reason to make ridiculous statements.


28 posted on 01/24/2014 8:02:28 PM PST by Nifster
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To: John Valentine

exactly... and such provision does not revive the dead and rotting body it merely delays the inevitable and allows the family to maintain an illusion of hope


29 posted on 01/24/2014 8:04:00 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Pajamajan

Oh she’s dead and so is the baby....


30 posted on 01/24/2014 8:04:23 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

You’re a liar. You are trying to put out false information to suit your agenda.


31 posted on 01/24/2014 8:04:24 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Morgana

The woman is on life support. She is brain dead. Due to the accident the baby is severely deformed physically and mentally and would not survive outside of the mother. The FAMILY has made the decision to cut life support to the mothers BODY. My suggestion is to help the family PAY for the medical bills of the womans family and if the child is C-sectioned, help pay for the childs obvious lengthy medical bills.


32 posted on 01/24/2014 8:04:57 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Jane Long
Any reports on what Marlise’s parents/siblings would like to see happen to mother and child? Just curious, as all I’ve read is her husbands wishes to see his flesh and blood - and his older child’s flesh and blood - killed.

Her parents have also been fighting in court to let her go. She and her husband both signed living wills never desiring to be in this position, and her parents have been traumatized (according to their lawyer) by the fact that they couldn't grant her clear wishes.

This isn't a case of a husband trying to bump off his wife, screwing up the job, and then removing life support to finish the job. She likely (according to reports) had a pregnancy complication (blood clots) that killed her. My mother-in-law has a disorder that causes blood clotting, and had several miscarriages as a result. My husband inherited the major form of that disorder, and almost died from blood clots in his lungs on his 30th birthday. Our daughter has the minor form of that disorder, and she will always be at risk of death from pregnancy (progesterone aggravates the disorder) without knowledge of the disorder and special treatment.

In the days of the Israelites, she would have died and her baby would have died -- both souls would have had some rest and "gone home". But the fact that we can keep a dead body warm enough to incubate another body somehow makes this murder? I'm pro-life, I'm anti-abortion. But I have told my husband, family, and friends publicly that if I were to ever end up in this state to please let me go and let my baby go. I have no doubt that the Lord would welcome myself and my child with open arms, without either of us having to suffer further.

What is so wrong about letting the Lord welcome this little one, who has already suffered so much, too? If we believe that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, then why can't we allow some compassion into the discussion? If her husband hadn't found her until she had already developed rigor mortis, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.

So we're going to take a grieving husband, who already has the responsibility of raising a child on his own, and saddle him with millions of dollars of medical bills -- because a hospital said "we are going to ignore the patients wishes because we don't want to be sued"? When we put that decision in the hands of the hospital, then it's also in the hands of the government. Do you really think the government (in light of ObamaCare) won't abuse that to decide to pull the plug on people who actually are alive, because of cost concerns?

What happened to dignity, and individual rights / responsibility? Why can't I tell my family what I want and then fully expect that my wishes will be carried out?

33 posted on 01/24/2014 8:05:21 PM PST by cyphergirl (Not so proud to be in the Freak State)
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To: Pajamajan

I have no agenda. You are apparently ignorant about the human body and how it functions and what happens when the brain stem is gone.

Being rabid in your position does not make it correct.


34 posted on 01/24/2014 8:06:09 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

The baby is not alive? it’s not growing?

This is the first I had heard this. Then what is the point of the court case?


35 posted on 01/24/2014 8:08:12 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Pajamajan

“the hospital and the Munoz family agreed on crucial facts listed in a court document: that Marlise Munoz, 33, has “met the clinical criteria for brain death since November 28” and that “the fetus gestating inside Mrs. Munoz is not viable.”

This was the basis of the judge’s decision today


36 posted on 01/24/2014 8:10:48 PM PST by Nifster
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To: cyphergirl

Thank you for a wonderfully well reasoned and beautifully written explanation of a very difficult situation. You have said much more cogently than I what needs to be said


37 posted on 01/24/2014 8:13:07 PM PST by Nifster
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To: flaglady47

“the hospital and the Munoz family agreed on crucial facts listed in a court document: that Marlise Munoz, 33, has “met the clinical criteria for brain death since November 28” and that “the fetus gestating inside Mrs. Munoz is not viable.””

This is what the judge used today to order the removal of ventilators and respirators from this woman


38 posted on 01/24/2014 8:14:11 PM PST by Nifster
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To: GeronL

“the hospital and the Munoz family agreed on crucial facts listed in a court document: that Marlise Munoz, 33, has “met the clinical criteria for brain death since November 28” and that “the fetus gestating inside Mrs. Munoz is not viable.””

The case was brought by the hospital and many in Texas have said on more than one occasion that the hospital was abusing the law. I do not know if someone at the hospital has an agenda or not. Asking me why someone else files a suit doesn’t make sense I am not their lawyer (or a lawyer at all)

Perhaps someone is trying to establish some type of precedent. I don’t know


39 posted on 01/24/2014 8:17:00 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

“not viable” because he/she too young is a FAR DIFFERENT thing than saying the baby is “not alive”

A FAR FAR DIFFERENT THING


40 posted on 01/24/2014 8:20:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Nifster

the fetus gestating inside Mrs. Munoz is not viable.


Practically no “fetus” (unborn child) is viable at 22 weeks. You weren’t. I wasn’t.

“Not viable” doesn’t mean “deformed”.


41 posted on 01/24/2014 8:21:53 PM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: cyphergirl

Because you can’t choose to kill your child.


42 posted on 01/24/2014 8:23:26 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Nifster
Thank you for a wonderfully well reasoned and beautifully written explanation of a very difficult situation. You have said much more cogently than I what needs to be said.

My father resisted God for most of his life but came to know Christ just before he died (when I was 15). After watching the suffering he endured, I figured out that I didn't have it in me to make that decision for other people. If he had wanted to end his own physical suffering then I don't think I could have said "no" (he was battling cancer for the 4th time and was losing sorely). My mother had died 4 years prior. At the age of 15, I had to make the decision to remove him from a hospital that was keeping him doped up on morphine so he didn't complain, and move him to a hospice that allowed him some quality of life (building his model airplanes, taking daily walks), even though he would have to deal with some pain.

The hospital could have kept him alive longer with insane amounts of pain medications and drugs, but I knew on the first night he was in that hospital that he wanted to "go home". One of his friends gave me a ride to the hospital to go see him, and he didn't know who I was and he kept asking when he would see my mom.

As much as I loved him, and as much as I still miss him now at age 37 (and knowing his grand-daughter will only ever know him through what I tell her), I know that he died with dignity and on his terms, and he is with the Lord. One day I'll see him again, and I can't wait for that.

43 posted on 01/24/2014 8:23:43 PM PST by cyphergirl (Not so proud to be in the Freak State)
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To: Nifster

Not viable only means the child can’t live outside the womb-yet. Doesn’t really say what the status of the child is/will be. There may be medical problems with the child- or not. None of the info released really tells us- and I certainly would not trust any statements from the father’s attorney.


44 posted on 01/24/2014 8:25:34 PM PST by rmichaelj
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To: willk

What if the baby has no chance of surviving and is suffering now?


I thought a “blob of cells” couldn’t suffer.

Many abortion supporters love to regale me with the “fact” that the “fetus” feels no pain until the 24th week. I guess the fully-developed nervous system just magically turns on at 24 weeks.

If it can suffer, it is a human being and deserves every chance to live.


45 posted on 01/24/2014 8:27:47 PM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: angryoldfatman

bump

What if “it” is suffering??

What if you are?

The answer to a “what if” should not be “KILL HIM!!!!!!”


46 posted on 01/24/2014 8:28:56 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: AppyPappy
Because you can’t choose to kill your child.

Maybe I see this differently because I've had to see so much death in my life (murder, cancer, brain tumors, heart attacks) ... the only people left of my family are my sister and I.

There is a difference between "kill" and "murder". There is a difference between "justice" and "mercy". The "just" thing to do may be to provide this child an incubator and keep them alive no matter what pain they endure, or regardless of whether they will ever spend a moment conscious in their entire life because they have a beating heart. The "merciful" thing may have been to let this woman and her child go back to the lord 10 weeks ago before getting to this point, and to let the father and sibling grieve and move on. Sometimes God did what was just, and sometimes He did what was merciful. We can all speculate on what God would do and on what we want to impose on this man and this woman's family. But as a woman who has a relationship with Christ, I can tell you that this isn't what I would want for myself or my child.

47 posted on 01/24/2014 8:30:40 PM PST by cyphergirl (Not so proud to be in the Freak State)
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To: angryoldfatman
I thought a “blob of cells” couldn’t suffer.

Many abortion supporters love to regale me with the “fact” that the “fetus” feels no pain until the 24th week. I guess the fully-developed nervous system just magically turns on at 24 weeks.

If it can suffer, it is a human being and deserves every chance to live.

And this is where things get really tricky. This baby (note, I didn't say blob of cells, because I don't believe that he/she is a blob of cells) is probably suffering given the fact that he/she is at nearly 24 weeks, and his/her bottom portions are so malformed that they can't determine if he/she is a boy or a girl.

Granted, this child will never remember the pain inflicted right now -- but why should we feel smug about requiring (by edict) that this child bear what could be torturous pain for all we know, because we think we know better than his/her father, sibling, and maternal grandparents.

48 posted on 01/24/2014 8:35:53 PM PST by cyphergirl (Not so proud to be in the Freak State)
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To: GeronL

You’re right. Like I said, if it (and the only reason I’m using “it” is because I haven’t learned the baby’s sex yet) can suffer, and it is gestating inside a human being, then logic dictates it is a human being itself, with all of the rights and liberties that any human infant should have.

The lawyers and husband in question are in disagreement with the “scientific facts” that allow abortion supporters to callously throw life away, like they themselves are doing.


49 posted on 01/24/2014 8:40:41 PM PST by angryoldfatman
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To: cyphergirl
I'm pro-life, I'm anti-abortion. But

Not to be disrespectful, but it's always that last word that does it, isn't it?

How do we know God might not work a miracle through that baby being born alive?

50 posted on 01/24/2014 8:44:18 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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