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Zimmerman tries to profit from Trayvon Martin slaying with painting; AP demands halt to sale
AP via Johnson City Press ^ | January 24, 2014

Posted on 01/25/2014 4:17:51 AM PST by don-o

ORLANDO, Fla. — The Associated Press has demanded that George Zimmerman halt the sale of one of his paintings because the news agency says it directly copies an AP photo.

(Excerpt) Read more at johnsoncitypress.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ap; zimmerman
Here's the reason that AP images may not be posted on FR.
1 posted on 01/25/2014 4:17:51 AM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

How many pixels in a picture have to be different before there is no infringement?


2 posted on 01/25/2014 4:20:22 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: don-o

He should countersue them
for their knowingly-false abominable “reports”
of “news” -— which were libel against him.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 4:20:24 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: scrabblehack

Good question. They would have to prove that it indeed their copyright image.


4 posted on 01/25/2014 4:23:00 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Diogenesis

iirc, he is suing several media. AP should be on the list.

The pic shown at the source looks more like a computer generated rendition of the photo that an actual painting.


5 posted on 01/25/2014 4:25:19 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Here is how to thoroughly refute the AP’s case against GZ:

The picture that the AP took was done at a public appearance, with many other people both watching and taking pictures or videos.

For example, Ms. Corey’s exact same expression can be found at about the 1:19 mark on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UskHmQ5DHw

So even putting aside any other defenses (fair use, etc).. The AP’s copyright cannot extend to any use of that particular pose, since at this event it was simultaneously being captured and used by many other media sources on film and video.

Therefore, the ONLY thing that can be protected by the use of that copyright is the duplication and use of that EXACT picture
6 posted on 01/25/2014 4:25:54 AM PST by zencycler
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To: scrabblehack

My Sweet Lord-He’s so fine. Nuff said


7 posted on 01/25/2014 4:27:28 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: zencycler

Or to put it another way, I’m sure that some AP photographer somewhere has taken a picture of Mount Rushmore. So if I stand in the same spot where the photographer was when he snapped that photo, and I paint what I see, am I violating his copyright?


8 posted on 01/25/2014 4:29:15 AM PST by zencycler
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To: scrabblehack
Zimmerman just painted her, in a symbolic representation, without her makeup.

If I were that guy, I'd change my name to Jorge Carpintero and move to Sedona.

9 posted on 01/25/2014 4:40:55 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Explain again, why don't you need to fill out form 4473 to buy a pressure cooker?)
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To: don-o

I’m sick of the AP whoring itself to advance commie bs. Covering Obama and his misuse of the “Bully Pulpit” to divide this country. Not “sourcing” publication but did this AP story have a by-line ? Who wrote this diatribe ?


10 posted on 01/25/2014 4:44:01 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet

No byline.


11 posted on 01/25/2014 4:48:57 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

12 posted on 01/25/2014 4:49:30 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: don-o

Zimmerman tries to profit from Trayvon Martin slaying............................... Like Sybrina Fulton??? Maybe George should trade mark his name too?


13 posted on 01/25/2014 4:57:30 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Remember Ty Woods? Glenn Doherty ? Forgot already?)
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To: don-o

All the Zimmeister has to do is declare painting a parody and he’s covered.


14 posted on 01/25/2014 4:57:35 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: don-o

Did they sue that punk who made the “Hope” image of the Clown?


15 posted on 01/25/2014 5:12:09 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: don-o

Why can’t he just say it is a PARODY of their image, like satirists do with songs...or like costume shops do with “purple dinosaur” outfits (so they don’t have to pay “Barney” copyright fees)?


16 posted on 01/25/2014 5:13:33 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jack Hydrazine

beat my question by two posts. :) congrats.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 5:14:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: don-o

I’m surprised he doesn’t have a signature model LC9.


18 posted on 01/25/2014 5:17:42 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: don-o

George Zimmerman was handed a buttload of lemons by the
state and feds. Nice to see him making lemonade. He needs
to countersue AP for malicious conduct and threats.
The image he is selling is not a copy by ANY definition
of the word. It’s an original work based on an image that
AP published for the world to see. This is just more
persecution by the media at the behest of Holder and the rest of the criminals in Washington. He needs to sue the
living bejeebers out of AP.


19 posted on 01/25/2014 5:24:06 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: don-o

My understanding was that you can create a painting of anything and the original painting does not violate a copyright. You only get in trouble if you mass produce copies. Zimmerman’s painting looks like enough of a departure from the original image that he shouldn’t have a problem anyway...shades of Warhol.


20 posted on 01/25/2014 5:24:19 AM PST by runfree
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To: SoFloFreeper

Great minds think alike!


21 posted on 01/25/2014 5:28:12 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: don-o

This is totally ridiculous — AP is just going after Zimmerman, just to have a reason to attack him.

Zimmerman sat through his own trial and saw the prosecutor.


22 posted on 01/25/2014 5:41:26 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: zencycler

<>Here is how to thoroughly refute the AP’s case against GZ<>

Thanks for pointing that out — at 1:19 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UskHmQ5DHw

George needs to call AP’s bluff —


23 posted on 01/25/2014 5:54:41 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Bringbackthedraft

George Zimmerman, unlike Fulton, is deeply in debt. I would not call this profiting.


24 posted on 01/25/2014 6:11:50 AM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Actually, George Zimmerman would be very wise to copyright his name and image. Lots of sports stars and other celebrities do so. His copyright would also be set in concrete if he gave limited permission in writing for their use by those he liked, as well as selling them for a nominal sum, $1, to several people.

And this is fair warning to anyone who gets thrust into the spotlight. Get your name and image copyrighted immediately, as it will make it much harder for scoundrels to abuse you.


25 posted on 01/25/2014 6:19:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: don-o

Um, wouldn’t this make most of Andy Warhol’s paintings illegal?


26 posted on 01/25/2014 6:31:07 AM PST by AuditTheFed
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To: Diogenesis
He should countersue them for their knowingly-false abominable “reports” of “news” -— which were libel against him.
Zimmerman is suing NBC, I think it was, for broadcasting a version of the nonemergency phone call in which an answer and then a different question were omitted to put a racial slur in his mouth. Well and good, but he is only suing for $2 million, which in context is a poultry amount. “Poultry? Don’t you mean ‘paltry’?” “No, I mean poultry - it’s chicken feed!”

And, as you suggest, the real problem is not a single news outlet but the entire system of news publishing - which means the AP, but also the membership of the AP individually. Joint and several liability. NBC wouldn’t have done what it did without the support and instigation of all the others - it was far to blatant for an individual publisher to undertake if it weren’t for the “everyone is doing it” pseudo defense.

But when you recognize that all the news outlets are - via the AP - in cahoots, that is no defense at all. The AP and its membership really should be defendants in a civil RICO suit, because the libeling of the middle class in America is what the AP and its membership, jointly and severally, do. If it isn’t Zimmerman, it’s the Duke Lacrosse Team, or the Swiftboat vets, or somebody. And the fact that the Democratic Party goes along and gets along is no excuse, it just makes it that much more egregious.


27 posted on 01/25/2014 6:34:05 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: don-o

I’m betting if the little kittle thugs’ family did the same there wouldn’t be a word!!!


28 posted on 01/25/2014 6:35:50 AM PST by ontap
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To: SoFloFreeper
From the article:

Artist Shepard Fairey got in a legal dispute with the AP after he used an AP photo in his famous Barack Obama "HOPE" poster. Fairey sued the AP in an effort to get a court declaration that he did not violate AP's copyrights when he made the Obama image. The AP countersued, saying the uncredited, uncompensated use of its picture both violated copyright laws and was a threat to journalism.

Claims between the news agency and Fairey were settled in 2011, with Fairey agreeing to pay the AP $1.6 million.

29 posted on 01/25/2014 6:42:26 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: zencycler

Yup.
It’s as if I could take a picture of the Empire State Building and thereafter no one could produce a painting of that building from the same angle....it’s ridiculous.


30 posted on 01/25/2014 7:20:56 AM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: don-o

n the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Zimmerman tries to profit from Trayvon Martin slaying with painting; AP demands halt to sale, don-o wrote: to my question about a by-line (author of diatribe)

“No byline” .
Seen the earlier announcement posted here in FRs. Just read the heads which wasn’t so inflamatory Probably added to by the publication...


31 posted on 01/25/2014 8:20:21 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: don-o
The pic shown at the source looks more like a computer generated rendition of the photo that an actual painting.

Yes, their is no way GZ painted that pic with a real brush. He separated it into three levels and assigned three shades of orange to them. Could be done in 2 minutes max. There are even places online that will do it for you instantly for free. Some artist! Lazy effer.

32 posted on 01/25/2014 9:54:35 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: don-o

here is another ap suit

http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/2012/03/copyright-infringement-pictures-beastie-boys-derivative-transformative-shepard-fairey.html


33 posted on 01/25/2014 10:38:51 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: don-o
I'm waiting for the AP headline: Zimmerman tries to profit from Trayvon Martin slaying by getting a job.

-PJ

34 posted on 01/25/2014 10:43:28 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

You have stated it well.


35 posted on 01/25/2014 11:12:27 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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