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Sochi Update: Russia to Punish Families of Potential Terrorists
Liveleak ^ | 1/25/14 | Liveleak

Posted on 01/25/2014 3:02:37 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda

Sochi Update: Russia to Punish Families of Potential Terrorists

January 25, 2014

Gitmo is a vacation paradise compared to what the Russians have planned for terrorists ...

In what may have been borrowed from the Israeli playbook, Russia has made it abundantly clear to wannabe martyrs for Mohammed — if you kill yourself in a terrorist attack, your family will face the consequences ... and pay dearly.

In a story that has slowly become known to the West since the bloody Islamic Jihadist attack on a school in Beslan, Russia in 2004, and most recently in Volgograd (the former Stalingrad of World War II fame), the Moscow authorities are cracking down in a fashion that have more than a few American and European Beta Males squirming in their jammies.

Sources ranging from the Wall Street-friendly Business Insider to the very left-of-center Think Progress to the US Government-ran Stars and Stripes have all noted a strategy that may not suit all palates, especially those of well-fed and even more protected self-proclaimed civil libertarians.

Described by some as "heavy-handed," authorities from the Russian Federation have ordered that no protests or rallies that coincide with the Olympics will be tolerated.

Period. Full stop. No further discussion.

(Excerpt) Read more at liveleak.com ...


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Has Obummer expressed his displeasure with this yet?
1 posted on 01/25/2014 3:02:37 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Good idea...a suicide bomber will think twice.


2 posted on 01/25/2014 3:04:19 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The Soviets pretty much always practiced the
punishment of families. The only ones not
punished, slipped through the cracks and
were punished later.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 3:06:10 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Its a appalling concept considered from the Christian/Western point of view where we are all individual souls equal in the eyes of a logical and reasonable God, and the resulting political view that we are therefore of equal basic rights and independent action.

But we are not dealing with Christians or Westerners here, and they do not organize themselves according to this belief.


4 posted on 01/25/2014 3:09:57 PM PST by PGR88
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Should be a good deterrent, though I’m not big on the concept of communal responsibility (or communal anything for that matter). One good aspect, if you’re in the family and you know you have a fanatic who’d do the deed anyway, and the consequences to the family be damned, it gives the family an incentive to prevent the terror attack before it can occur.


5 posted on 01/25/2014 3:14:20 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

ALL terrorists families should bear responsibility.
momma poppa, sister brother, wife kids, even thefamily dog and goldfish.
Make an example of em.
acctions have consequenses


7 posted on 01/25/2014 3:15:05 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Still Thinking

Collectivist punishment.


8 posted on 01/25/2014 3:16:10 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Good point. Half the time, the family probably shares the convictions of the bad actor, and are in fact cheering him on, just not as fanatical as the guy, and if that’s the case they’re not really “innocent”.


9 posted on 01/25/2014 3:17:02 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Awesome.
Putin has balls.
If only our country had some.


10 posted on 01/25/2014 3:17:57 PM PST by moviefan8
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To: pallmallman

Obviously the families of avowed terrorists know what their family member is up to and support it. Now they will be motivated to stop tacit or other support and may be motivated to tell the gov about him/her.

Think of the Pali and other family members being overjoyed that their sons/other family members had martyred themselves and killed others. Party time.


11 posted on 01/25/2014 3:18:18 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PGR88
Its a appalling concept considered from the Christian/Western point of view where we are all individual souls equal in the eyes of a logical and reasonable God, and the resulting political view that we are therefore of equal basic rights and independent action.

Western, maybe but Christian, no.

Collective punishment is biblically sanctioned, if you take for example, 1 Samuel 15:3.

12 posted on 01/25/2014 3:18:40 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: pallmallman

Wow, how about showing a little restraint on the language, save it for DU.


13 posted on 01/25/2014 3:19:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I don’t have a problem with this at all... The terrorist is a product of his/her upbringing and his/her associations.

Terrorism is an act of war except on a smaller scale. If a country attacks you, you hold the population of said country responsible. If a terrorist attacks you, you hold “his/her” population responsible...


14 posted on 01/25/2014 3:19:04 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Still Thinking

You are what you tolerate.

If you tolerate terrorists...


15 posted on 01/25/2014 3:19:14 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Potential” terrorists

Not just the innocent families of real terrorists but just those deemed terrorists by the government.

This is tyranny. This sounds like something out of North Korea


16 posted on 01/25/2014 3:25:30 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The Muzzies started it, the Russians will finish it.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 3:26:14 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: PoloSec

Include his imam and all members of his mosque. Then perhaps we will see a reduction in attacks.

“Achmed has been acting strangely lately, asking questions about his 72 virgins!”

“Then call the commissar! I do NOT want to spend winter in Siberia!”


18 posted on 01/25/2014 3:26:49 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: little jeremiah

Just like the Boston bombers.


19 posted on 01/25/2014 3:31:47 PM PST by windcliff
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To: pallmallman

“Putin takes no shit off of muslim raghead terrorists.”
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No he does not. Putin recognizes that the Islamic world is at total war with the non-Islamic world. Unfortunately, the politically correct, cowardly leadership of America and Western Europe either don’t recognize this or are afraid to acknowledge it.


20 posted on 01/25/2014 3:32:27 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: moviefan8
Awesome. Putin has balls.

"I like balls."

21 posted on 01/25/2014 3:32:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: GeronL

When one is at war, and the terrorists are at war with the society around them, you do what is necessary to try and end it or you will lose your culture and become like them.

It’s a smart and just move.


22 posted on 01/25/2014 3:33:58 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The Saudis bragged that they could guarantee the security of the Sochi games if only the Russians agreed to abandon Assad. No doubt the Russians were amused and informed the Saudis that they would indeed be held accountable for any terrorism at Sochi. Just to accentuate their point they have stationed for or five of their submarines armed with all sorts of cruise missiles off the coasts of Saudi Arabia.


23 posted on 01/25/2014 3:34:01 PM PST by allendale
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To: Jonty30

punishing families of “potential” terrorists?

I certainly hope Obama doesn’t do this to us any time soon, no matter how smart and just he may say it is as he rounds up Christians and conservatives for the camps


24 posted on 01/25/2014 3:35:27 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

We will find
sooner or later
if Achmed’ll pray
to a glowing crater...


25 posted on 01/25/2014 3:35:42 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: allendale

Hopefully they have their missiles programmed to the following coordinates:

21.4167° N, 39.8167° E


26 posted on 01/25/2014 3:36:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: null and void

BURMA SHAVE


27 posted on 01/25/2014 3:36:45 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: GeronL

Then your solution is to tolerate the bombings, because you’re not going to be able to punish a guy that is already in pieces.

It’s how Middle Eastern culture works and it’s why the West doesn’t a good response to bombings and it’s why the West will probably lose.


29 posted on 01/25/2014 3:37:56 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: James C. Bennett; GrandJediMasterYoda; GeronL; Jonty30

1 Samuel 15:3

New International Version (NIV)

“3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”


30 posted on 01/25/2014 3:37:59 PM PST by LucyT ( If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: ansel12; pallmallman
Wow, how about showing a little restraint on the language, save it for DU.

I note you take no exception to the sentiment, only the turn of phrase used to express it...

31 posted on 01/25/2014 3:38:17 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: Still Thinking

would make em think before jumping.


32 posted on 01/25/2014 3:39:32 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: GeronL

After I saw your post I went back and read the article again. The title, which says potential terrorists’ families will be punished, is misleading. If you read on, it says “wannabe martyrs for Mohammed” have been warned it will happen to anyone who sets off a suicide bomb.


33 posted on 01/25/2014 3:44:01 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

It was the only thing that brought down Pablo Emilio Escobar. He killed families of those who opposed him. Finally they returned the favor.


34 posted on 01/25/2014 3:47:24 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Putin is correct to take this with utmost seriousness and clarity. That is how the jihadists will be as they continue their hidden work toward our destruction. My question to Putin is, if a family member sees their brother of son becoming radicalized, do they get a ‘finder’s fee’, or a chance to escape prosecution if they tattle? I hope to never be in a similar situation as that relative, regardless of what the law promises.


35 posted on 01/25/2014 3:56:07 PM PST by lee martell
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To: little jeremiah

Don’t forget cash payoffs to families of suicide bombers.

Lots of muzzies in this country party hearty behind closed doors each & every 9-11.

Collective guilt? In time of war, yes. And Islam is at war with the entire “infidel” world.


36 posted on 01/25/2014 3:56:30 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Collectivist punishment.

What was Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

37 posted on 01/25/2014 3:57:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: null and void

I don’t get your point, I posted on what needed to be addressed, the simple statement of his opinion about Putin didn’t seem to call for any comment.

Your post is a heck of a lot less enlightening than the one you are posting about.


38 posted on 01/25/2014 4:04:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: lee martell

In a culture that will murder a daughter for having been raped, I would expect the family to take out its own trash.


39 posted on 01/25/2014 4:07:56 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I think this is simply a matter of Russia recognizing a serious threat and crafting an effective response to it.

This is a war for survival, and Russia will be tougher than the enemy.

40 posted on 01/25/2014 4:09:32 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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41 posted on 01/25/2014 4:10:23 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Families who have Islamic kooks in them might want to stage an intervention.


42 posted on 01/25/2014 4:12:45 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: tet68

Iirc this is how the Soviets avoided almost all if the hostage taking unpleasantness in Beruit in the 1980s. They had a couple Sovs who were taken hostage, but quickly figured out who the ringleaders were and took members of THEIR families hostage. And started sending the hostage takers things like fingers, toes and ears. The Sov hostages were quickly released and Sovs in Lebanon went unmolested from that point on.


43 posted on 01/25/2014 4:15:46 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Publius

Ummm.....the last of those red signs on the roadside should read, IMO,

“NUKE MECCA NOW!!”


44 posted on 01/25/2014 4:21:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That’s something we should have been doing all along.If there were any other way to stop these terrorist attacks,I sure can’t see one.


45 posted on 01/25/2014 4:30:50 PM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Jonty30

not punishing innocent people means I tolerate bombings?

seriously?


46 posted on 01/25/2014 4:34:55 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

>>>“Potential” terrorists

Not just the innocent families of real terrorists but just those deemed terrorists by the government.

This is tyranny. This sounds like something out of North Korea<<<

Yep, so many wrongs about it on so many levels but Israel is already practicing it for decades and it seems like a working deterrent against terror.

But in Chechen case the majority of bombers are terminal patients or promiscuous girls who can’t be sold into marriage by their parents and has to be stoned anyway.

They have nothing to lose and their families are the primary beneficiaries paid by terrorists. An idea to discourage such a families makes perfect sense.


47 posted on 01/25/2014 4:58:07 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Still Thinking

Right on. The mother of the Tsaernev brothers comes to mind.


48 posted on 01/25/2014 5:00:09 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: GeronL

In effect, yes. How do you punish dead people, while their cheering families encourage further bombings?


49 posted on 01/25/2014 6:07:20 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: moviefan8

Putin has balls

Barry has drones


50 posted on 01/25/2014 6:09:04 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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