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150 Years Later, Floridians are Still Fighting over the Civil War
AllGov ^ | January 22, 2014 | Noel Brinkerhoff, Danny Biederman

Posted on 01/25/2014 6:38:12 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

Florida’s first state park has become ground zero for a raging political fight to establish a monument honoring Union Army soldiers who died during the Civil War.

The three-acre Olustee Battlefield Historic State Park currently includes three monuments honoring Confederate soldiers who died fighting to secede from the country.

The park, first established in 1912, was the site of Florida’s largest and bloodiest Civil War battle that killed 3,000 Union and 1,000 Confederate soldiers. It occurred on February 20, 1864, and raged on for four hours.

With no marker respecting the sacrifice of so many northern men, the Florida chapter of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War asked the state parks department last year for permission to place an obelisk to honor Union soldiers.

State officials agreed that the park needed some historic balance. They held a public hearing about the new monument and chose a location within the park for it.

But those actions angered the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which called the proposed monument a “Darth Vader-esque obscene obsidian obelisk.”

Opponents enlisted the help of key politicians, like State Representative Dennis Baxley, the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, to stop the addition to the park. “There is a sacred trust that's being violated when you go in and change an historic site from the way it was commemorated by those who established (it),” Baxley told the News Service of Florida.

“Putting a Union monument at Olustee would be like placing a memorial to Jane Fonda at the entrance to the Vietnam memorial,” added Leon Duke, a wounded veteran.

Longtime historical park exhibitor Mike Farrell, who is a descendent of a Union soldier who died at Olustee, said that park visitors often seek out a Union memorial at the site. “I always have the visiting public approach me and ask me where the Union monument is on the battlefield, and I often tell them, ‘There isn't any,’” he told the News Service. “I'm not talking about…a cemetery marker to the dead. What I'm talking about is a battlefield monument.”

Ancestors of Charles Custer fought on both sides of the war, and he favors a Union monument. “There were twice as many Union casualties there as Confederate,” he told The New York Times. “They fought. They bled. And they are really not recognized anywhere.”

The battle of Olustee is reenacted each year, making it one of the Southeast’s largest Civil War re-enactments.

Although it was not nearly as large as many other Civil War battles, the Olustee one was significant because the South’s victory denied the North from establishing a government in Florida and cutting off supplies to the Confederate army.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; florida; scv
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By resisting the long national tradition of honoring the Civil War dead from both sides, these pro-Confederates bring discredit to their organization. Too bad they lack the dignity and magnanimity exhibited by the elderly veterans in Blue and Gray when they met for the half century commemoration at Gettysburg.
1 posted on 01/25/2014 6:38:12 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Well said. Some folks just haven’t the common sense of a rock


2 posted on 01/25/2014 6:43:01 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The Union forces not only lost the battle but were an invading army.

No nation builds monuments to an army that invaded, overthrew a government and occupied their land.

It would be just like the Frence erecting monuments to be German army and all others who have invaded.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 6:46:39 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The Union forces not only lost the battle but were an invading army.

No nation builds monuments to an army that invaded, overthrew a government and occupied their land.

It would be just like the French erecting monuments to be German army and all others who have invaded.


4 posted on 01/25/2014 6:47:54 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

The Confederates invaded Pennsylvania yet nobody begrudges monuments to the brave Confederate dead at Gettysburg.


5 posted on 01/25/2014 6:49:57 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I for one am glad the “war isn’t over.” DEO VINDICE.


6 posted on 01/25/2014 6:51:29 PM PST by golux
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
My great-great uncle emigrated from Norway to the US in the 1850s, and was killed in the Civil War. He was from Minnesota, and fought on the Union side. He might even have been in this battle. He wasn't in the US long enough to learn English. So, I'm a little partial to the North.

I now live in Texas. When in Minnesota, I expect to see memorials to the Union. When in Texas I expect to see memorials to the Confederates. I don't expect Minnesotans to erect memorials to their enemies of the times, and I don't expect the Texans to do it either. There are no memorials to Confederates in Minnesota that I have seen.

7 posted on 01/25/2014 6:53:36 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Exactly...and, 150 years is nothing in the grand scheme of the history of the world. People need to realize that.

Just look at the people on the other side of the world, in the desert...they keep grudges for thousands of years. 150 years?! That’s nothing. That was just a few generations back.

150 years later and we see that the current Administration desires to take Pres Lincoln’s mandate of a Federal government to the extreme and get rid of all state’s rights. Just what the Confederates were fighting against. (at least a major issue for them)


8 posted on 01/25/2014 6:56:02 PM PST by I_Publius
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
One of your heroes of the war of northern aggression


9 posted on 01/25/2014 6:56:57 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I would not object to a Union monument to their dead as long as it was done in good taste and did not seek to overshadow other monuments.

According to the story there were 3 times as many Union dead. I do know that soldiers who fought in the battle all agreed that it was the most ferocious fight they were ever in.


10 posted on 01/25/2014 6:57:01 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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There is a monument to the Union soldier in Lynn Haven, Florida, just North of Panama City.

The first Confederate monument in Florida and the second one anywhere is in my home town of DeFuniak Springs, FL.


11 posted on 01/25/2014 7:01:11 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: piroque

War is brutal. It was brutal before Sherman invaded Georgia and Southern citizens were suffering many months before Sherman’s invasion, often at the hands of Confederate authority, both civil and military. Sherman’s march had the effect of shortening the suffering of war.


12 posted on 01/25/2014 7:05:47 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Hell... The whole south is still fighting the civil war AND they’re still saving their confederate money.


13 posted on 01/25/2014 7:08:54 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Should have won at Gettysburg and then taken Washington. I guarantee you our lives would all be a lot better off now. My family and I stopped by olustee battlefield last year and it is a wonderful little self guided tour through the monuments and getting to see the artifacts. A LOT of the confederate troops were from Georgia. They really put it on those blue bellies that day.
14 posted on 01/25/2014 7:10:37 PM PST by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Your way of thinking ,if you ever did , is to kill all the southerners as sherman wanted, is that right ?

Be sure and read the last paragraph and let it sink in thought your twitted mind.

15 posted on 01/25/2014 7:13:55 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

To those unfamiliar with Florida, Miami, West Palm Beach, etc., probably comes to mind, the area this battlefield is located is up next to Georgia. Rebel flags on almost every pickup truck up there.

Some have noted that the folks in this part of Florida are even more zealous of things southern than their neighbors in the southern states nearby. It thus comes as no surprise to see the brouhaha about this monument. To those who know this area, we would not expect otherwise.


16 posted on 01/25/2014 7:14:26 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“With no marker respecting the sacrifice of so many northern men...”

Put up a marker...see how marked up it becomes.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 7:14:56 PM PST by moovova
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To: piroque

The viciousness of the Sherman quotes lives on in the heart and soul of Obama, Obamoids, and most Democrats/Gubment Trough Feeders.


18 posted on 01/25/2014 7:16:46 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

“Should have won at Gettysburg and then taken Washington.”

Without a doubt that our lives would be better if the USA were now the CSA.

No meddling government, no reconstruction, no plethora of pesky post War of Northern Aggression constitutional amendments.


19 posted on 01/25/2014 7:18:42 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: sasportas
 photo waltoncocopy_zpsb0e141ff.jpg This is the first Confederate monument in Florida and maybe the first anywhere. It is at the Walton County courthouse in DeFuniak Springs.
20 posted on 01/25/2014 7:19:27 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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