Skip to comments.Violence in Ukraine: Can Russia or the West Make it Stop
Posted on 01/25/2014 7:29:37 PM PST by cunning_fish
Mikhail Gorbachev, the former leader of the Soviet Union, piped up on Thursday with a wake-up call for the Western world: Ukraine is now everybodys problem. The turmoil in its capital, where pitched battles have raged all week between protestors and police, threatens not only Ukraine and her neighbors, but Europe and the entire world, he wrote in an open letter to the U.S. and Russian Presidents. He was certainly right about Europe, which now has a real dilemma on its hands. The only question is whether Ukraines neighbors can do much to resolve it. For the West, there are few good options. Much of the influence the E.U. had over Ukraine was lost in November, when the countrys president, Viktor Yanukovych, refused to sign a trade and association deal with the E.U. That is what sparked the protests against him, while also bringing a flood of recriminations down on him from the West. Since then, he has practically become an outcast in Europe, so any further Western pressure would have little impact, says Alex Brideau, a Ukraine expert at the Eurasia Group, a consulting firm based in New York City. His preference is the hardline approach rather than compromise.
Russia, by contrast, holds a much stronger hand. After
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If Putin were really a public servant, he’d give the Ukraine back to the Ukrainians and kick the statist DickTaters out.
From the article it is that he does.
Western Ukraine back to Poland. Eastern Ukraine back to Russia. 1 trillion new DM to Russia. East Prussia back to Germany.
What's the problem?
No we can’t.
Its interesting that we didn’t see this level of handwringing in the western media when Prime Minister Erdogan cracked down on protesters in Istanbul, or subsequently when he dismissed large numbers of judiciary and police who were involved in an investigation of corruption in his administration.
But then Turkey has already kissed the ring of its EU paymasters.
From the link at #3 It appears that the general population has come together to address is grievances with an over-reaching authoritive government. at the same time it also appears that that government is exercising restraint in that it using fairly normal riot control instead of brute force. Meanwhile basic services are not interrupted, the lights are still on, the water is working, food and supplies are getting to the protesters. It reminds me of Egypt when millions raised up to overthrow the Muslim Brotherhood.
Ukraine has very large natural gas reserves locked up in shale that if/when developed will cut deeply into Russia’s gas strangle hold on Europe. Follow the money!
Violence in Ukraine: Can Russia or the West Make it Stop
Why should we do anything?
Its interesting that we didnt see this level of handwringing in the western media when Prime Minister Erdogan cracked down on protesters in Istanbul, or subsequently when he dismissed large numbers of judiciary and police who were involved in an investigation of corruption in his administration.
Or what about the green revolution in Iran that we did nothing at all with because Obama din’t want to get involved, but then we got involved in Lybia...
Help me out here: because one, the other nothing? (Just trying to get into the Kremlin mindset).
Yeah 40 million Ukrainians will go for that.
How about we give Poland back to Germany. Then maybe the Ukrainians will think about it.
Nice to see the support a European Christian nation, that suffered terribly under Communism gets around here.
The money leads to Eurocrats trying to subvert officials in the Ukrainian government into joining the EU so that the EU can just take the fossil fuels, and on the other side we have the populace who desires to remain sovereign and develop those resources for the national benefit.
There are no twists and turns here.
This is pretty straightforward.
[ Nice to see the support a European Christian nation, that suffered terribly under Communism gets around here. ]
ANY help that the US does would be in favor of the faction that wants to join the EU.....
The anti-EU faction has a far better chance if we don’t (as a nation) get involved in this.
Thank you for all of your support.
[ Dear Grace,
Thank you for all of your support.
Vladimir Putin ]
So you want the Ukraine to be in the EU?
Not gonna play that game with you, sorry. Unless—do you want Ukraine to be in the CIS (or whatever Vladi calls it nowadays)?
Not gonna play that game with you, sorry. Unlessdo you want Ukraine to be in the CIS (or whatever Vladi calls it nowadays)?
If the US “helps” it will be the Obama Admin “Helping’ and that doesn’t bode too well at all...
Libya, Iran, Egypt, Tunisia, etc etc....
Need I go on.....
We as individual should help, of course, but not the USA with the current POS in chief.