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The New Kristallnacht?
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 1/24/14 | Tom Perkins

Posted on 01/26/2014 8:28:19 AM PST by sakic

Regarding your editorial "Censors on Campus" (Jan. 18): Writing from the epicenter of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich."

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F*cking idiot
1 posted on 01/26/2014 8:28:19 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic

I think he nails it.


2 posted on 01/26/2014 8:31:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

When the rich get marched into ovens and gassed to death he will have nailed it. To think he has nailed it today is beyond stupid and perverted.

You and him have lost all sense of proportion in order to make a point.

I am against this idiocy of trying to overtax the rich, but comparing this to extermination is a bit on the crazy side and is personally reprehensible to me.


3 posted on 01/26/2014 8:34:32 AM PST by sakic
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To: sakic

I call it the Nazification of America and it has been going on since the end of WWII.


4 posted on 01/26/2014 8:34:46 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Our parallels to the events in 1930’s Germany are so manifest that it is amazing that even the LIV’s among us cannot see what a continuation of this track will mean. God Save the Republic!


5 posted on 01/26/2014 8:36:02 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: sakic
I see. So up to the point when the Nazis were actually running death camps they were A-OK in your book?

After all, you seem to be fine with every incremental step our National Socialist Idlers Party takes in the very steps of the German National Socialist Workers Party.

And you seem to resent any comparisons or warning coming from anyone who is reading a few pages ahead...

6 posted on 01/26/2014 8:40:08 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: sakic

Really???? Did you bother to read the letter??? If so and you disagree with the writer then maybe you are on the wrong site.....try reading it (again) and see if you don’t agree


7 posted on 01/26/2014 8:40:59 AM PST by Nifster
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To: sakic

Not only does this writer nail it, I need only point to the state in which you live to suggest that the progressives are well on their way to a version of Krystalnacht


8 posted on 01/26/2014 8:42:00 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Channeling Neville Chamberlain perhaps!?!?!?


9 posted on 01/26/2014 8:45:03 AM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: sakic
This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent "progressive" radicalism unthinkable now?

Nope is hardly unthinkable.
10 posted on 01/26/2014 8:49:06 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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11 posted on 01/26/2014 9:02:06 AM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: sakic

Why no one ever grasp why hate the Jews..what is the stereotype antisemitism have

let make it simple

Nazi: Jews=Capitalist pig = kill them
Communist: Capitalist pig = kill them

Nazi have a two step genocide logic but Communist have a one step genocide logic so that why Communist are ahead on their body count


12 posted on 01/26/2014 9:07:26 AM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: sakic; Eric in the Ozarks
When the rich get marched into ovens and gassed to death he will have nailed it. To think he has nailed it today is beyond stupid and perverted.

You and him have lost all sense of proportion in order to make a point.

I am against this idiocy of trying to overtax the rich, but comparing this to extermination is a bit on the crazy side and is personally reprehensible to me.

Your grasp of history is tenuous.

Kristallnacht occurred before
the ovens and the gas chambers.

Kristallnacht was the harbinger of what followed.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
13 posted on 01/26/2014 9:10:52 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: sakic

Consider the limits on health care for those over 65.
Also read up on the death panels in Obamacare.

Otherwise, STFU.


14 posted on 01/26/2014 9:12:36 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: sakic

” You and him have lost all sense of proportion in order to make a point.

“I am against this idiocy of trying to overtax the rich, but comparing this to extermination is a bit on the crazy side and is personally.....”

Sounds like you’re only looking at Act 1.

You’re comparing Act 1 of the current USA Marxist takeover to Act 3 of the German NAZI takeover, then telling us they don’t compare.

Educated people recognize that Marxist/Communist or National Socialist (totalitarian) regimes don’t happen overnight. They are a progression.

Sometimes the progression is rapid (mideast), and other times the progression takes longer (USA), but Act 1 is rhetoric and Act 3 is mass murder.

If your crystal ball tells you we’ll never see Act 2 or Act 3 in the USA, good for you. But the rest of us don’t have crystal balls and didn’t study at the Hogwarts School of Magic.

If we get ‘this’ wrong, this time, there’s nowhere left to run to.


15 posted on 01/26/2014 9:20:40 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: sakic

The author, Tom Perkins, is not “Comparing” overtaxing the rich to Gas chambers.

It’s his simple observation that the conditions that led to the gas chambers, the mind set of a certain portion of our media and society are very similar as they are currently being expressed.


16 posted on 01/26/2014 9:24:10 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: sakic

Also, extermination sounds crazy TO YOU.

But to Obama, who started his career in the living room of the ‘Weatherman’ named Bill Ayers, extermination is AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE PLAN.

The FBI informant’s statement is on video. Search online and watch it. I think his name was Grathwol.

He recounts sitting with the Ayers terrorists. When they weren’t building or planting bombs, they were discussing their estimate of how many Americans they’d need to EXTERMINATE in order for their Communist utopia to come about.

They verbally estimated ‘about 25 MILLION people’ would absolutely refuse to cooperate with Communism, and thus would need to be exterminated.

Just because YOU’RE not crazy, doesn’t mean the Marxist fanatic isn’t crazy.


17 posted on 01/26/2014 9:27:54 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: LyinLibs
Whether or not the writer makes an apt comparison, the fact is that all who love liberty might read the following words from James Madison, who has been called the "father" of America's Constitution, as well as those quoted below from Edmund Burke:

"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant—they have been cheated; asleep—they have been surprised; divided—the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ... the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government, they should watch over it ... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free."

So-called "progressives" understand the "divided" part of Madison's cautionary words, but the rest of us seem to ignore the rest of Madison's statement.

Might it have something to do with our not having been "well-instructed" in the ideas of freedom?

Edmund Burke, in his 1775 "Speech on Conciliation," observed the following "spirit" in America's founding generations:

"Permit me, Sir, to add another circumstance in our colonies, which contributes no mean part towards the growth and effect of this untractable spirit. I mean their education. In no country perhaps in the world is the law so general a study. The profession itself is numerous and powerful; and in most provinces it takes the lead. The greater number of the deputies sent to the congress were lawyers. But all who read, and most do read, endeavour to obtain some smattering in that science. I have been told by an eminent bookseller, that in no branch of his business, after tracts of popular devotion, were so many books as those on the law exported to the plantations. The colonists have now fallen into the way of printing them for their own use. I hear that they have sold nearly as many of Blackstone's Commentaries in America as in England. General Gage marks out this disposition very particularly in a letter on your table. He states, that all the people in his government are lawyers, or smatterers in law; and that in Boston they have been enabled, by successful chicane, wholly to evade many parts of one of your capital penal constitutions. The smartness of debate will say, that this knowledge ought to teach them more clearly the rights of legislature, their obligations to obedience, and the penalties of rebellion. All this is mighty well. But my honourable and learned friend on the floor, who condescends to mark what I say for animadversion, will disdain that ground. He has heard, as well as I, that when great honours and great emoluments do not win over this knowledge to the service of the state, it is a formidable adversary to government. If the spirit be not tamed and broken by these happy methods, it is stubborn and litigious. Abeunt studia in mores. This study renders men acute, inquisitive, dexterous, prompt in attack, ready in defence, full of resources. In other countries, the people, more simple, and of a less mercurial cast, judge of an ill principle in government only by an actual grievance; here they anticipate the evil, and judge of the pressure of the grievance by the badness of the principle. They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze." (Underlining added for emphasis)

Burke also declared to the Parliament that what he called the colonists' "fierce spirit of liberty" also must be attributed to their "religion," "under a variety of denominations agreeing in nothing but in the communion of the spirit of liberty."

18 posted on 01/26/2014 9:30:40 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: sakic

You seem to miss somethinmg here.

This administration and the democrats (along with many willing republicans) has been following almost the exact same steps as Hitler and the NAZI party did when he first got elected, but before he gained complete control.

Believe when I say that we are one Kristallnacht away from the MSM, The entertainment industry, the education system and of course the democrat party calling for the end to elections an an elevation of Obama to supreme ruler.

If you cannot see it, then you want to be blind.


19 posted on 01/26/2014 9:40:55 AM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: sakic

I’m sorry, Sakic, but I think you’re wrong on this one (and I’ve been reading you for a long time). I don’t think the parallels drawn by the WSJ letter-writer are hyperbole, I think they should be a genuine concern. Today’s gas chambers look more like the Doctor Offices that will become harder to find, and the Doctors we do find will be denying treatment.

Just because they don’t look like large communal showers this time doesn’t mean people are not going to start dying for their beliefs.


20 posted on 01/26/2014 9:46:44 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: sakic

More like the passing of the “Nuremberg Laws” than Kristallnacht.


21 posted on 01/26/2014 9:48:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: sakic; Cyber Liberty

Also.... Don’t for the NSA, IRS, OSHA, EPA, AFT, Homeland Security, Secret Service

These agencies have enormous power to destroy wealth and ( worse) and the means to fabricate lies and destroy reputations.

Who needs concentration camps and ovens to control the masses with that kind of power to destroy?


22 posted on 01/26/2014 9:54:34 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

It’s all about cooking the frog. This is just a different method of slowly turning up the heat.


23 posted on 01/26/2014 10:06:11 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

The Marxo-fascists always communicate what they want to do.

Cuomo plain stated that he wanted conservatives out of his state. What’s next? Extermination camps?


24 posted on 01/26/2014 10:13:56 AM PST by wintertime
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To: sakic

I don’t think there will be ovens. The Kulaks will just be starved to death.


25 posted on 01/26/2014 10:14:51 AM PST by virgil
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To: sakic

You are tragically misguided if you don’t see (or deny the reality of) the parallels between our national socialist democrat party and the Nazi Party of prewar Germany. One only has to consider the very revealing remarks of Gov Cuomo in a recent interview-”Cuomo blasted “extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay” and said they “have no place” in New York. He later walked back his remarks, and said they were being taken out of context in the media.”-http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/23/conservative-activist-okeefe-claims-cuomo-targeting-his-group/ .


26 posted on 01/26/2014 10:18:32 AM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: sakic
its "one percent," namely its Jews,

This is where he fails right at the beginning.

The German 1% back then were the Krupps, Quandts et al., mainly not Jews; though many Jews were what we'd call upper middle class today - doctors, lawyers, university professors, bankers...part of the educated backbone of the country.

27 posted on 01/26/2014 10:29:19 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: sakic

>>>When the rich get marched into ovens and gassed to death he will have nailed it. To think he has nailed it today is beyond stupid and perverted.<<<

The difference is culture. The writer is pointing out the thematic similarities between propaganda against the Jews and propaganda against the so-called 1 percent. (I’d also point out that there’s many thematic similarities between statements made by anti-Semites and statements made by those accusing whites having “privilege.”)

Sure, the rich aren’t going to go placidly into the ovens like the Jews, but we’re not Europeans. I could easily see mobs being whipped up into a frenzy, however, and overwhelming the rich in their mansions and gated communities in a frenzy of looting, murder, rape, and mayhem. That would be far more in the American tradition.

It’s also a recurring theme among the left to create an “enemy within” on which to focus hate. The Soviets had the kulaks; the Chinese had the “running dogs” of capitalism; the national socialists had the Jews. It is not surprising for the American left to create such a group, and since we’re Americans, they’re careful to make sure it isn’t racially or ethnically insensitive, so it’s just “the 1 percent.”

You’re right, though. It’s not extermination. Not yet.


28 posted on 01/26/2014 10:33:39 AM PST by redpoll
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To: null and void

Very weak. Putting words in my mouth and then criticizing the words.

I have problems with where the country is headed, but as a child of two Holocaust survivors, I find it incredible that any right-thinking human being could compare the dilemma of the rich in America with being exterminated.


29 posted on 01/26/2014 10:34:30 AM PST by sakic
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

You have not a clue as to my understanding of that time in history.


30 posted on 01/26/2014 10:35:41 AM PST by sakic
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To: Zeneta

So, you believe that the attempt to over-tax the rich is a possible precursor to death camps?


31 posted on 01/26/2014 10:36:52 AM PST by sakic
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Personally, I think this guy nails it. The natural progression of Liberalism / the Progressive Movement is about persecuting the “rich” and I would add they’re using similar language and symbolism to that which the Hitler regime used right up to the point six million Jews were sent to the gas chambers.


32 posted on 01/26/2014 10:42:27 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Moltke; sakic

I forgot to mention the many Jewish shopkeepers (from tailor to book merchant) whose shops were, of course, the target of Kristallnacht. Again, not the 1% Krupps et al (who did very well under the Nazis).


33 posted on 01/26/2014 10:45:39 AM PST by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: sakic

The purges under Stalin and Mao killed far more people each than that scum Hitler. The death processes of ovens, gas chambers and other forms of assassination not withstanding.

It is understandable if your situation makes you hate the hitler mentality more than the murderous rage of say the communists. I would feel the same had it affected my background.


34 posted on 01/26/2014 10:47:36 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sakic

The scum that are pulling the strings are in no physical danger unless you count drowning in bailout and Fed money.


35 posted on 01/26/2014 10:48:17 AM PST by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence.)
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To: sakic
So, you believe that the attempt to over-tax the rich is a possible precursor to death camps?

NO !!!!

It's the precursor to treat those that are successful as the problem that is at issue.

If you have any sense of history and how totalitarian regimes target a group in order to advance their cause, you may actually get it.

It is all about creating a reason why people are suffering. In American, their reason is the rich.

In Germany, it was the Jews, in the Arab world today, it is the west and the Jews.

They are attempting to fuel the fire of their discontent by blaming someone else for their troubles.

When you combine this discontent with a bleeding heart, you get a fanatic that will feel justified as they advance the killing of people they feel are a threat.

36 posted on 01/26/2014 10:56:04 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: virgil

“The Kulaks will just be starved to death.”

And this time WE’RE the Kulaks. Suppose some of us decline the invitation to the FEMA camp. After all, we’ve prepared by storing food, water and medical supplies. But then - ust to make sure we’re well - a group of men come to our door to verify our well-being. Does anyone remember what happened to the Kulaks who had seed grain stored for the future? In most cases they were executed and the grain was confiscated. Farmers were shot for gleaning from their own fields and when they seent their children out, they too were killed.

Can’t happen here? Has someone built a fence to keep greed and avarice away from our shores? What talisman will keep my grandchildren safe when your imaginary fence fails? The only thing that can save them is possession and willingness to use firearms in defense of their supplies.

Yes, this time we are the Kulaks for like them, we own property. We’re also the Jews because we work for what we want rather than steal it from our neighbors.

I feel a rant coming on so I guess I’d better stop while I still make some semblance of sense.


37 posted on 01/26/2014 10:56:35 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: sakic
There are 'valid' points of discourse between how different classes and peoples are treated, wealth, etc.

Denying those issues will create more discord later, which would/will favor the rise the new left.

38 posted on 01/26/2014 11:05:05 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: sakic
As a child of Holocaust survivors, I would hope that you could apply more intelligence to nipping the next Holocaust in the bud.

Too much to hope for, I guess.

I remember when, once upon a time, "Ever Again" started with an "N".

I'm getting old, I guess.

39 posted on 01/26/2014 11:11:01 AM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

REMEMBER FREEDOM SLIPS AWAY IN SMALL INCREMENTS OVER TIME.

“Kristallnacht:
Almost immediately upon assuming the Chancellorship of Germany, Hitler began promulgating legal actions against Germany’s Jews.
In 1933, he proclaimed a one-day boycott against Jewish shops, a law was passed against kosher butchering and Jewish children began experiencing restrictions in public schools.
By 1935, the Nuremberg Laws deprived Jews of German citizenship.
By 1936, Jews were prohibited from participation in parliamentary elections.
In the first half of 1938, numerous laws were passed restricting Jewish economic activity and occupational opportunities.
In July, 1938, a law was passed (effective January 1, 1939) requiring all Jews to carry identification cards.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kristallnacht.html

The fascist governor of New York (CUOMO)and the fascist Mayor of New York City (DeBaslio sp) have indicated that Conservative Extremists,{what ever in the hell that means}, should be deprived of New York citizenship and
prohibited from participation New York state elections.
A Slippery Slope


40 posted on 01/26/2014 11:11:32 AM PST by BilLies ("Will none rid me of this lying bastard ?")
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To: BilLies

I’d say on the timeline, we’re at 1935.


41 posted on 01/26/2014 11:12:35 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

If I did not make it clear, I totally agree with you.

Sakic not. A Duns Scotus, a Too Subtle Doctor.


42 posted on 01/26/2014 11:19:07 AM PST by BilLies ("Will none rid me of this lying bastard ?")
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To: sakic

I think you are underestimating the corrosive effect this relentless attitude against the rich has on the lower class’s behavior. It is the same regarding narcissistic liberals’ attitudes toward conservative and Christian ideas.

When Gov. Cuomo can say without a big blow back (except for Fox News and the RC church) that pro-lifers, pro-second amendment, and “anti-Gay” - i.e. pro-traditional marriage folks are not welcome in NY state, it seems to me that we are close to a tipping point. In fact, it may be a legitimate reason to begin a case for secession from the USA. Now, I am not actually advocating secession, but it does pose the question - when segments of our population are not respected equally because of their political beliefs, what is the alternative? Think of Jefferson’s first sentences in the Declaration of Independence! When in the course of human events......., etc.

Liberals who insist on bullying tactics will eventually get a strong reaction. For the first time in my lifetime, public opinion polls are blaming big government for many of our problems and seeing it as a cause of bad outcomes and a danger to our wellbeing. Now, if we could transform their fear of big government into a fear of big-government politicians, i.e. Democrats, it might prove worthwhile.


43 posted on 01/26/2014 11:21:50 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: sakic
When the rich get marched into ovens and gassed to death he will have nailed it.

Looks like you need to take a minute and study history. You will find that Kristallnacht is different event than the gas chambers.

44 posted on 01/26/2014 11:48:37 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: oldfart

There won’t be camps either. You just won’t get subsidies to pay the exorbitant prices for necessities. You will lose your livelihood like the Kulaks and you will be driven to penury. You’ll be given a “choice”. You know how progressives love “choice” so much. You will either submit to the system or be buried by it. As far as killing people for gleaning their own grain, that’s a real possibility too with the way police are these days. The progressive agenda is dovetailing nicely to usher in the new dark age. But it’s a new, new, hopey, changey dark age! Why aren’t we applauding the boy king? Spit.


45 posted on 01/26/2014 12:11:40 PM PST by virgil
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To: sakic

This Is being done by the upper 1%. Who do you think owns the red newspapers. The Upper 1% gives disproportionately to the Democrats. Even The upper 1% that calls themselves Republicans is now helping the left juggernaut by forcing amnesty through. They voted for DeBlasio in NYC. Their tax free foundations are supporting the commie left as is their Ivy League schools. Their high power law firms are smashing our constitution. Why Not let them have it. As far as I am concerned if there really is a anti rich juggernaut coming along they should be on the receiving end since they are starting it. They are the ones responsible for big government. They Are the ones who are waging war on the tea party.I say lets join them. Until the border is secure and we have a fair media we should offer no defense to them. Let them stew in their own grease. That assumes this war on the rich really is real which I wonder too since they seem to be the ones perpetuatingit either through design or stupidity.


46 posted on 01/26/2014 12:47:58 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: hoosiermama

huh??? how am I channeling Neville???


47 posted on 01/26/2014 1:44:17 PM PST by Nifster
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To: OneVike

Your are wasting your breath with sakic.
It is a bit of a pot stirrer who holds most on FR in utter contempt. It’s best to ignore it.


48 posted on 01/26/2014 2:31:19 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Zeneta

So, again, you stated that it is possible that our current government is leading us down a path that could result in the demise of the upper 1%, without understanding that they themselves are part of that same machine.

Whether left or right is in control, they both owe everything to this 1% and will fail without them. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

Don’t fall for rhetoric. The liberals and conservatives disagree on social issues, but they are both feeding from the same trough of cash.

They all want the status quo and ordinary citizens engaged in battle with each other so that we all keep our eyes away from what they are all doing to us.


49 posted on 01/26/2014 3:04:16 PM PST by sakic
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To: Balding_Eagle

My grandparents lost their store during Kristallnacht, but I eagerly await your lecture on the subject, so that I can learn the real truth.


50 posted on 01/26/2014 3:06:45 PM PST by sakic
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