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Bridge Engineers Say California Ordered Flaws Overlooked
Bloomberg | January 25, 2014 | James Nash

Posted on 01/26/2014 11:08:56 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Edited on 01/26/2014 11:12:17 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Can't post Bloomberg text on here. Follow the linkie.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-25/bridge-engineers-say-california-ordered-flaws-overlooked.html


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: baybridge; earthquakes; oakland; sanfrancisco

1 posted on 01/26/2014 11:08:56 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; altura; ...

Next major earthquake that hits San Francisco, that thing’s going into the bay.

PING!


2 posted on 01/26/2014 11:09:56 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: null and void

Hope you’re not going to be on that bridge anytime soon!


3 posted on 01/26/2014 11:10:47 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

THE GOVERNMENT did this, but California libtards will always vote for MORE GOVERNMENT


4 posted on 01/26/2014 11:23:10 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I wouldn't be surprised to find the main point of the article and testimony about cutting corners true.

But a couple non-essential things in the article don't seem to add up. As far as I know it was part of the WESTERN section of the bridge that collapsed during the quake and it was fairly quickly fixed. I'm not aware of quake damage to the eastern section. It was later that they decided to replace the entire cantilevered eastern section with a suspension bridge. That project took a long time and is which I believe this article is about. Not clear under those circumstances what the timing crisis was all about since the old cantilevered section was used until the new bridge was finished.

5 posted on 01/26/2014 11:23:57 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Amazing. Bridge-builders now need 10 times more time and money than they did when the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges were erected, and the sole reason is new regulations. And yet they can’t ensure that the bridges are any safer. Perhaps some sub-species of mosquito which happens to live in the area benefited from the environmental impact reports, who knows.


6 posted on 01/26/2014 11:24:10 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Show us the welder certifications

Show us the weld x rays


7 posted on 01/26/2014 11:26:25 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert
"Show us the welder certifications Show us the weld x rays"

Do you have those for the WTC floor joist angle iron seats welded to the outer columns?

8 posted on 01/26/2014 11:53:04 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Certifications yes. X rays , maybe


9 posted on 01/26/2014 11:55:49 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: PapaNew

No, I believe it was the eastern section that had a deck collapse right where the bridge approached the truss section.


10 posted on 01/26/2014 12:00:34 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: PapaNew
As far as I know it was part of the WESTERN section of the bridge that collapsed during the quake and it was fairly quickly fixed.

No. It was the eastern cantilever span that failed. The western suspension section did fine.

11 posted on 01/26/2014 12:08:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Anybody who blames Moonbeam for this is mistaken. This is Arnold’s baby, lock, stock, and barrel. It was he who pulled Bechtel off the job for Peter Kiewitt, in whom Arnold’s buddy Warren Buffet is a major stockholder.


12 posted on 01/26/2014 12:11:47 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

More details here:

Caltrans ignored shoddy work on Bay Bridge in China and U.S. - Sacramento Bee

The story relates that Jim Merrill, while managing quality control for steel work done by the Chinese firm, Zhenhua Port Machinery Co., warned Caltrans that parts had hundreds of cracks contrary to both the production contract and welding codes. He felt that Caltrans was more concerned with the work schedule than with safety. Shortly afterward the inspection firm was fired and replaced by another company which was unable to perform the necessary testing until they hired employees away from the rejected firm.

Douglas Coe was transfered from supervising the Chinese work to another project in California after discovering cracks in the welds on components of the bridge suspension tower. He ordered the construction firm to do more testing and was told by Caltrans manager Tony Anziano to back off.

13 posted on 01/26/2014 12:16:43 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Mr. K; windcliff
Remember this from 1994?...

Santa Monica Freeway to Reopen on Tuesday : Recovery: The contractor will get a $14.5-million bonus for finishing earthquake repairs 74 days early

14 posted on 01/26/2014 12:22:38 PM PST by onedoug
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To: concentric circles

I hate to say it, but that has to be the butt-ugliest bridge I’ve ever seen.


15 posted on 01/26/2014 12:22:39 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Government drones strike again! Liars. Criminals.


16 posted on 01/26/2014 12:46:35 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All hidden flaws will be exposed at the next quake.


17 posted on 01/26/2014 12:50:59 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: concentric circles

Yet another “own goal” by the advocates of “free trade.” The PRC company won the big, no doubt by bidding below cost.

For the PRC and PLA, it was a cheap way to gain important knowledge about US infrastructure and internal bidding practices for infrastructure projects.

And of course the Chinese steel and welds are crap. Any one who has welded on, or machined, Chinese steel knows that it’s crap steel. Always has been.


18 posted on 01/26/2014 12:51:44 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

That’s an understatement.


19 posted on 01/26/2014 1:07:40 PM PST by B4Ranch (http://discoverthenetworks.org/ This website describes the networks / agendas of the political Left.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Carry_Okie
Well, you learn something new every day - it was the eastern section after all.

But even so, as far as I know they fixed that part that fell pretty quickly. Still don't get the urgency issue with building the whole new suspension bridge some time later.

20 posted on 01/26/2014 1:10:39 PM PST by PapaNew
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Still don't get the urgency issue with building the whole new suspension bridge some time later.

It was deemed unsafe for earthquakes; the box structure of a cantilever section being too rigid to survive the swing. The Loma Prieta quake that damaged it was a 7.0 with an epicenter sixty miles away. The Hayward fault is just over twelve miles away and is capable of an 8.0.

That's why.

21 posted on 01/26/2014 1:23:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: bert

From my review of the photos I could find, the level of penetration into the columns was minimal, at best.


22 posted on 01/26/2014 1:52:15 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Carry_Okie

Right, but I still question the acuteness of the urgency - I mean the bridge was many years old in that state so fixing it was necessary but why the sense of rushing it? Smells like some sort of political issue.


23 posted on 01/26/2014 1:58:33 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

The foundation for the old bridge is old wooden pilings sunk into the mud of the San Francisco bay. I’m not ure if the pilings even reached the bedrock.


24 posted on 01/26/2014 2:07:59 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; PapaNew

not SURE.

Fixed it.


25 posted on 01/26/2014 2:09:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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I mean the bridge was many years old in that state so fixing it was necessary but why the sense of rushing it?

The deficiency was identified in 1989. The Hayward fault is overdue to go. If the bridge goes down it would be catastrophic for the Bay Area economy. It's now 2014. That's 25 years. You call that a rush?

26 posted on 01/26/2014 3:03:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He was ordered to ignore flaws in components supplied by a Chinese firm, and not document anything, to avoid evidence that could be picked up by later FOIA requests.


27 posted on 01/26/2014 3:36:22 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaNew

The reason for rushing government construction is that the way contracts are written construction delays almost always cost the government exorbitant claims in additional payments to the contractor. The contractors get administrative costs, lost profits, rental costs of idle equipment that they themselves own, etc. It’s a windfall for them.

I’ve seen it happen time and time again. The contractors’ lobbies and their lawyers are among the best in the country. And they have Congress and State legislatures in their pockets. The laws are written in their favor to prevent them from losing money.


28 posted on 01/26/2014 5:15:37 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 01/26/2014 9:07:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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PING!


30 posted on 01/27/2014 2:38:22 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Real Cynic No More
One of thousands of examples of government self interest.

The free market runs on self interest through voluntary cooperation and creates wealth. Government programs, initially labelled with a "public good" goal, actually runs on its own self interest through coercion and creates misery and poverty.

31 posted on 01/27/2014 6:50:56 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Got stuck in rush hour traffic on the lower deck of the cypress back in 1988. Truck traffic on the roadway above caused the lower deck to bounce.


32 posted on 02/03/2014 12:40:45 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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