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What Drives Success? (Why are some ethnic groups in America doing better than others?)
The New York Times ^ | January 25, 2014 | Amy Chua and Jed Rubenfeld

Posted on 01/27/2014 12:52:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A SEEMINGLY un-American fact about America today is that for some groups, much more than others, upward mobility and the American dream are alive and well. It may be taboo to say it, but certain ethnic, religious and national-origin groups are doing strikingly better than Americans overall.

Indian-Americans earn almost double the national figure (roughly $90,000 per year in median household income versus $50,000). Iranian-, Lebanese- and Chinese-Americans are also top-earners. In the last 30 years, Mormons have become leaders of corporate America, holding top positions in many of America’s most recognizable companies. These facts don’t make some groups “better” than others, and material success cannot be equated with a well-lived life. But willful blindness to facts is never a good policy.

Jewish success is the most historically fraught and the most broad-based....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americandream; economy; indians; iranians; jews; judaism; mormons; society
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1 posted on 01/27/2014 12:52:19 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A relentless emphasis on education, industriousness, frugality and a a mutually supporting network of family and community oftentimes leads to financial success.

Whodathunkit?


2 posted on 01/27/2014 1:00:53 AM PST by SargeK
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The study is a bit skewed, because it only compares groups in America. So it’s probably not surprising to see certain immigrant groups doing well, because it’s their high-earning doctors and engineers over here.

Meanwhile, back in the old country are the teeming masses not doing so well - so if you look at these ethnic groups in their TOTALITY .... well, it explains why Nigeria and Lebanon aren’t major world powers, despite their educated immigrants, as a group, doing great in the US.


3 posted on 01/27/2014 1:09:20 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

But I should add, give the Mormons credit, as a group they’re definitely punching above their weight.


4 posted on 01/27/2014 1:14:10 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

The problem is that mainstream culture coming from the school system is all about “self-esteem” based on nothing other than a child’s assistance. Self-esteem comes from achievement.


5 posted on 01/27/2014 1:15:03 AM PST by JMS
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To: canuck_conservative

But the article is totally right in stating that it’s not native intelligence but rather a desire, almost a need to succeed. We have coddled our kids to the point that they don’t even know HOW to succeed anymore (work??? what is that?)


6 posted on 01/27/2014 1:16:10 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps they just work harder...


7 posted on 01/27/2014 1:23:50 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: McGavin999; JMS

Parental influence is huge, there’s no denying that.

And hard work is probably necessary to some extent for success, just like you can’t build your muscles by lifting only a sheet a paper.

Maybe immigrants are more used to doing hard work than “soft” North Americans.


8 posted on 01/27/2014 1:27:01 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hard work and drive make the difference. The fact is that a determined dumb person will out achieve a lazy smart person everytime. But a determined smart person will beat them both.


9 posted on 01/27/2014 1:39:41 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> It may be taboo to say it

Only the Left posits that BS.


10 posted on 01/27/2014 2:05:05 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For the immigrants, it’s a simple answer. The smartest and most ambitious get out of their hell-hole countries.

Our dumbest and laziest, though, are with us forever.


11 posted on 01/27/2014 2:28:55 AM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author has it completely backwards.

What drives success in America is a unique culture created by northern European whites.

I'm a bit skeptical that Asian Indian-Americans have a $90,000 median household income.

There are roughly 300,000 Asian Indians in the USA on temporary work visas, most of them in mid-level technology jobs.

I can't help but wonder if the income statistics on those two groups have been added together.

A couple more important points.

The best foreign Ph.D students in America come from Western Europe, Japan, Aus-NZ-Canada, and the oil rich Middle East.

Those countries dominate the Ph.D programs at elite American Universities.

Almost all those graduates eventually return to their home countries, where quality of life and pay are almost identical to the USA.

The second tier Ph.D students, mostly at second tier universities, come from China, India, Russia, Eastern Europe, and Iran.

More than 80% of those graduates stay, or try to stay, in the USA.

They earn good paychecks, but relatively few are elite scientists or engineers.

Last point.....

Except for Mormons, the politics of the most “successful” ethnic groups in America are “All Left, All the Time!”

Around September 2012 Pew Research released a study of ethnic voting in the 2008 election.

From memory.....

Asian Indians - 90% Obama
American Jews - 80% Obama
American Muslims - 80% Obama
Chinese Americans - 75% Obama

12 posted on 01/27/2014 2:35:01 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the scribblers of this article concluded that “discrimination and prejudice” cause poverty. Tell that to the Jews and the Chinese. Always left out in these discussions is IQ. The facts are: low IQ and lack of initiative cause poverty. Lots of poverty. This stupid article proves once again that liberals are hopeless.


13 posted on 01/27/2014 3:01:38 AM PST by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not at all surprised. I know several Indians, and am married to one :), they ALL work very hard and dont piss away their money on crap! Most own their own businesses as well.

But I can see the next gen of Indian Americans becoming alot more “Americanized” and a LOT more careless with their money.

One thing that really impresses me, they put a LOT of emphasis on Education, and I mean in real subjects math English etc... and are very family oriented... including taking care of elderly parents.


14 posted on 01/27/2014 3:51:21 AM PST by wyowolf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Indians are specifically chosen and trained by American companies to be the ones to take high-paying American engineering jobs via the longstanding fraudulent practices of the H1-B visa program. No mystery there whatsoever.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 4:17:43 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: SargeK

But all the while experts keep recommending that people chase the greener pasture where there isn’t a family or social network.


16 posted on 01/27/2014 4:28:39 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interest free business loans for Indian Americans doesn’t hurt either.


17 posted on 01/27/2014 4:29:43 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: zeestephen

Cubans are overwhelmingly Republicans and stormed the Miami Dade election office when the democrats tried to shut the door and stuff the ballot box to give it to Gore.


18 posted on 01/27/2014 5:22:18 AM PST by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some people work hard, are intelligent, and achieve greatness. Others choose to whine about racism and commit crime and collect welfare.


19 posted on 01/27/2014 5:36:21 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pretty sure it’s NOT sitting on your butt collecting welfare, Obama phones, food stamps, etc.


20 posted on 01/27/2014 5:42:01 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These facts don’t make some groups “better” than others

Why not?

21 posted on 01/27/2014 6:20:25 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What, no muzzies that are successful?

There is a call to odumbo to fix that ASAP. (sarc)


22 posted on 01/27/2014 6:36:48 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: canuck_conservative

***Maybe immigrants are more used to doing hard work than “soft” North Americans.***

I agree. Also, we are so adjusted to the American way of life we don’t see opportunities when they smack us in the face.

A new immigrant will notice this and immediately fill that gap, then everyone whines because the immigrant is doing so well.
An example would be common gardening. The locals plant a garden in the traditional Arkie style, get a few vegetables, then in mid summer it dries up and goes to weed.

The Hmong came into this area, ad their gardens are stunning! Even in dry weather they are green among the brown dried up pastures.
The local Farmer’s Markets have quite a few Hmong selling their crops there.

Then there are the motel operators (Patel family of India).

They came in the area forty years ago, looked at the books of motels for sale and bought quite a few. While not up to Holiday Inn standards, they are a decent place to sleep. Some of them have even become managers of high dollar motels and inns.

Then there is the local Tiendas. Fifty years ago, you could not find a store or cafe that had Hispanic foods. Now they are everywhere.


23 posted on 01/27/2014 7:46:02 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

***Our dumbest and laziest, though, are with us forever.***

My brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money)has not worked in thirty five years. He quit a good job when Reagan was elected, saying...”I’m not goinna pay taxes to Reagan!” He has not worked since, but games the welfare system.


24 posted on 01/27/2014 7:48:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: autumnraine

I had a legal immigrant Mexican co-worker who had a chance to become a US citizen as he has been here for about 30 years. He chose not to become a citizen as there were better opportunities for an immigrant into the US.


25 posted on 01/27/2014 7:51:38 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: MattinNJ
I lived in south Florida from 1950-1990, so I have a long history with the first and second wave of Cuban immigrants.

Most people don't realize that the immigrants who came around 1960-1965 were almost all white, almost all had direct European heritage, and most of them were well educated.

That group, literally, was the professional class that ran Cuba under Batista - the doctors, lawyers, engineers, business managers, and business owners of Cuba.

They arrived in Dade County flat broke, and within 20 years, they owned Dade County.

The second wave of Cuban immigrants, which began around 1979, was completely different.

More than half were Caribbean Blacks, many had criminal records, and most of them had very limited skills and education.

If the “NJ” in your screen name stands for “New Jersey,” then you know that huge numbers of Cubans from the second migration moved to the New York City metro area.

I've never seen voting data on Cubans broken down by date of immigration.

But I do know that the Congressional District where most Cubans live in New Jersey votes more than 75% for a Democrat Congressman.

26 posted on 01/27/2014 1:51:31 PM PST by zeestephen
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