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Germany to play bigger military role
TheLocal.de ^ | 27 Jan 2014 08:17 GMT+01:00 | (DPA/The Local)

Posted on 01/27/2014 1:03:43 AM PST by Olog-hai

Germany’s military is to be deployed more frequently on foreign operations, defense minister Ursula von der Leyen said on Sunday. […]

Opposition parties accused von der Leyen of changing tack and her comments mark a stark shift to the policy pursued by former Foreign Minister Gudio Westerwelle, who sought to keep German troops out of war zones. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eussr; ursulavonderleyen

1 posted on 01/27/2014 1:03:43 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The French better plant more trees in Paris. Germans like to march in the shade...


2 posted on 01/27/2014 2:13:05 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Olog-hai

Once all the Germans were warlike and mean,
But that couldn’t happen again.
We taught them a lesson in nineteen eighteen,
And they’ve hardly bothered us since then.

— Tom Lehrer


3 posted on 01/27/2014 3:06:22 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Olog-hai

I am a little queasy about the Wehrmacht being on the march again.


4 posted on 01/27/2014 3:45:23 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4PwSVW5Aak

lol


5 posted on 01/27/2014 3:53:57 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: BigCinBigD

Germans are craftsmen, not soldiers in their soul. The only militant tribe were Prussians run by Junker aristocracy who has suppressed the rest under their flags.
AFAIK Stalin has killed the entire Prussian population after WWII, buldozed the place and shared the lot between Poland and Russia.
Germans aren’t called Eurowennies for nothing ever since.


6 posted on 01/27/2014 6:01:24 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
The only militant tribe were Prussians run by Junker aristocracy who has suppressed the rest under their flags.

Hitler despised them.

7 posted on 01/27/2014 6:03:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai
Surprise. German banks have made loans all over the globe that can't and if nationalism is the goal shouldn't be paid back. So now they're going to increase their military to make sure they are?

Germany is winning WW3. That would be the war of global economic domination.

8 posted on 01/27/2014 6:05:08 AM PST by grania
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To: dfwgator

Well, Hitler was a narcissist populist politician, not a great military strategistin the first place. His biggest mistake was that he started to believe his own propaganda. He should have listened to Prussian generals instead.


9 posted on 01/27/2014 6:07:51 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Who probably would have talked him out of expanding the war after their conquered Poland.


10 posted on 01/27/2014 6:09:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I think France alone was enough to restore their pride damaged in Versailles.
Poland and Soviet Union made little sense militarily but attacking both was absolutely instrumental in terms of Hitler’s ‘Final solution’ and ‘Leibenstraum’ goals.


11 posted on 01/27/2014 6:18:36 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Hitler thought that after seeing how quickly Germany defeated Poland (with the help of the Soviet Union), that Britain and France would quickly sue for peace.


12 posted on 01/27/2014 6:25:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cunning_fish
Well, think about the fact that the Prussian generals didn’t themselves listen to Sun Tzu:
If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight, even though the ruler forbid it; if fighting will not result in victory, then you must not fight even at the ruler’s bidding. Art Of War X:23
The generals could not have feared the Führer to the point of not heeding that sound military advice, could they have?
13 posted on 01/27/2014 10:37:25 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“Don’t mention the war.”


14 posted on 01/27/2014 10:38:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

Even some of the generals told Hitler not to retake the Rhineland.

Everytime Hitler got away with it (Rhineland, Sudetenland, Austria, Czechoslovakia), the generals knew that opposing Hitler was pointless when it came time to execute “Fall Weiss”.


15 posted on 01/27/2014 10:40:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I’ll bet they wouldn’t be suiting up if we hadn’t stolen all the gold the entrusted to us.

We have eclipsed Russia as the world’s number one, non-muslim enemy.


16 posted on 01/27/2014 10:49:28 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
No we have not. To say we have is to play into their very propaganda against us.
17 posted on 01/27/2014 10:52:06 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Germany to play bigger military role

Always good news.

18 posted on 01/27/2014 12:47:32 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

In what respect?


19 posted on 01/27/2014 2:55:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Germany historically has done military things well, unfortunately that hasn’t been true of their politics.


20 posted on 01/27/2014 3:07:44 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

You can’t divorce military exploits from politics. Like Churchill said, the history of man is war.


21 posted on 01/27/2014 3:14:03 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
You can’t divorce military exploits from politics

Clausewitz said something similar. If always true, the world shouldn't fear Germany currently.

22 posted on 01/27/2014 3:24:00 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Looks like you don’t understand what’s going on there.


23 posted on 01/27/2014 3:29:16 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Really, the Nazis back?


24 posted on 01/27/2014 3:44:04 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

We didn’t fight Nazis in WWI, remember.

The European Union is expansionist. Germany’s politicians are quite on board with the expansionism, even if the people are not.


25 posted on 01/27/2014 3:49:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
We didn’t fight Nazis in WWI,

Germany also had the Kaiser and royalty epitomized the combatants on both sides. They re-fought set piece actions of the Civil War and the Franco-Prussian wars. Non-mechanized wars of attrition characterized by the noteworthy lack of maneuver.

The European Union is expansionist.

The EU has disjointed leadership, huge differences in producing states vs welfare states. A military organization that has no esprit where the only history belongs to the units of the disparate states. It cannot project power, its capabilities lie in the range of peacekeeping. It is bordered on the east by a power that has an old but credible force that has some experience. As you have noted, the German people have no taste for war. To where would the EU expand? Africa? I'd welcome that over our involvement there as a counterpoint to the Chi-Coms.

26 posted on 01/27/2014 4:06:37 PM PST by xone
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To: Olog-hai
I'm not worried. Their allies the Austro-Hungarians and the Ottomans will keep them in line.



What?

27 posted on 01/27/2014 4:10:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dfwgator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

LOL


28 posted on 01/27/2014 4:18:57 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: xone

What royalty did the USA represent in WWI?

The very creation of the EU was an exercise in expansionism. They went from 11 states in 1992 to 28 today; a big part of that was the unnecessary war in the Balkans. As for Africa, take a look at what the EU is doing there (e.g. Central African Republic, Mali).

I also did not say that “the German people have no taste for war”—I said that the elites are currently going against the will of the people. That can change, though, and the elites have plans to effect such a change. For the record, the Bundeswehr has been second behind the USA in terms of overseas military deployments for a while.


29 posted on 01/27/2014 4:53:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

We’ve pushed most of the monetary systems in the world into a state of chaos. If they don’t print in response to our relentless printing, their goods become too expensive against other exporters.

If they print, they go into an inflationary cycle that destroys their middle class.

It’s like taking over their country without firing a shot.


30 posted on 01/27/2014 7:58:55 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Who took over where? and what does this have to do with the subject?


31 posted on 01/27/2014 8:01:25 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cunning_fish

Didn’t Stalin deport the Prussians as opposed to killing them?


32 posted on 02/14/2014 10:58:19 PM PST by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: Jacob Kell

Germany said there were about 110 thousand civilians left after WWII, a majority died because of decease and malnutrition in a period of 1945-1947, remaining 20-25 thousand deported to Germany in 1948.
Russians said there were 129 thousand Germans left, 102 thousand deported in period of 1947-October 1948. Remaining groups were rounded up and deported until 1951 (about 200 people). About a thousand Germans under 14 yo who had no relatives in either Konigsberg or mainland Germany were kept and sent to orphanages or adopted in Russia.


33 posted on 02/15/2014 1:54:25 AM PST by cunning_fish
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