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Natural Gas Locomotives May Prove Cheaper, Cleaner
AP via ABC News ^ | January 23, 2014 | JOSH FUNK

Posted on 01/27/2014 5:08:39 AM PST by thackney

The diesel-burning locomotive, the workhorse of American railroads since World War II, will soon begin burning natural gas — a potentially historic shift that could cut fuel costs, reduce pollution and strengthen the advantage railroads hold over trucks in long-haul shipping.

Rail companies want to take advantage of booming natural gas production that has cut the price of the fuel by as much as 50 percent. So they are preparing to experiment with redesigned engines capable of burning both diesel and liquefied natural gas.

Natural gas "may revolutionize the industry much like the transition from steam to diesel," said Jessica Taylor, a spokeswoman for General Electric's locomotive division, one of several companies that will test new natural gas equipment later this year.

Any changes are sure to happen slowly. A full-scale shift to natural gas would require expensive new infrastructure across the nation's 140,000-mile freight-rail system, including scores of fueling stations.

The change has been made possible by hydraulic fracturing drilling techniques, which have allowed U.S. drillers to tap into vast deposits of natural gas. The boom has created such abundance that prices dropped to an average of $3.73 per million British thermal units last year — less than one-third of their 2008 peak.

Over the past couple of years, cheap gas has inspired many utilities to turn away from coal, a move that hurt railroads' profits. And natural gas is becoming more widely used in transportation. More than 100,000 buses, trucks and other vehicles already run on it, although that figure represents only about 3 percent of the transportation sector.

The savings could be considerable. The nation's biggest freight railroad, Union Pacific, spent more than $3.6 billion on fuel in 2012, about a quarter of total expenses.

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KEYWORDS: energy; lng; naturalgas; trains
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To: cunning_fish
In Russia you may easily convert any vehicle using internal combustion to either natgas or propane for $200-1500. There is an industry since 1980s. I think 9 in 10 commercial vehicles are natgas powered there.

The price of natural gas conversion here, likely contains a built-in premium to cover future liability suits.

41 posted on 01/27/2014 10:42:08 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Nope.


42 posted on 01/27/2014 10:42:49 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Rodamala
I invite everyone to search the web for the term “BLEVE”.

Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

43 posted on 01/27/2014 2:18:34 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: thackney

Info I really did not want to hear, but that’s what I gets for asking the guy who knows.

Propane is like poor cell signals, one of those bitter-sweet worthwhile prices to pay for Country Living.

Guess I’ll just have to keep plugging for a local CNG filler-er-up station for my F150.


44 posted on 01/27/2014 2:50:06 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: thackney
LNG is not going to be a good source for a residential customer. It must stay refrigerated at all time to -260°F.

Absorbned Natural Gas (ANG) technology is beginning to look promising, at least for transportation applications. Some napkin calculations seem to indicate that this may also find itself in residential households for backup storage.

Capacity is still and will remain an issue until this administration is removed from office.
45 posted on 01/27/2014 3:07:40 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: thackney
More than 10,000 gallons LNG capacity

The only things I would worry about is that full tenders being pulled to remote rail yards might be a prime target for bad folks. There might also be full tenders sitting in remote yards too.

46 posted on 01/27/2014 3:17:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Rodamala
And everyone thought that these unit crude oil trains were rolling bombs?

As if there were no propane trucks -- or other CNG and LNG trucks -- on the nation's highways...

47 posted on 01/27/2014 3:37:06 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: thackney

Google: lng explosions
Click on images.....
Looks like one big accident waiting to happen.
Here is a tanker in Boston harbor
http://fnnc.org/pix/lng-tanker-in-boston-565x274.jpg


48 posted on 01/27/2014 4:50:16 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: norwaypinesavage

It might have been more accurate for me to say “replace the inefficient reciprocating diesel with a turbine...”

While the turbine might be more complex, I have to think it would be cleaner and less maintenance-intensive than the diesels are today. They might have to add extra iron to the locomotive frame, but that actually might help, since they don’t have a big lump of iron in the form of the engine block perched way up high anymore; they can shift the weight distribution more effectively. There would be more room for braking radiators and the like.


49 posted on 01/27/2014 7:32:56 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: thackney

Doesn’t most of that vibration come from the diesel engine? Besides, if a turbine can survive in an Abrams, it should have no problem in a locomotive.


50 posted on 01/27/2014 7:34:48 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: minnesota_bound

Go to college.

Get an engineering degree.

Learn some science.

Don’t get fooled by emotional NIMBY’s and environMENTALists.


51 posted on 01/27/2014 8:26:57 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Natural gas works just fine in the higher compression ratios of diesel engines. I’ve installed dual fuel recip engines for smaller power plant at oil fields. You either need to provide a spark, or more commonly a little diesel to start the ignition cycle. These engines have been used for decades. Mine were 31,000 cubic inch V12s, +9,000 HP.


52 posted on 01/27/2014 8:35:13 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Little Pig

Yeah, the motion on the rails is certainly no worse than a tank.

My experience is with stationary turbines. I’ve been on repair jobs after it launched pieces. It is just tough to think about them shaking but they obviously have made them work for worse situations.


53 posted on 01/27/2014 8:39:14 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: norwaypinesavage
Take it up with these guys.

http://www.omnitekcorp.com/altfuel.htm

We have installed this equipment at several locations. Works pretty darn well.

54 posted on 01/28/2014 1:02:17 AM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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