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Incredible Multi-Year iPhone Run Ends (Fewer iphones sold in N/A YOY)
Forbes ^

Posted on 01/27/2014 4:30:11 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

Apple AAPL +0.8% (AAPL) reported earnings after the market close. The Apple stock ended the regular session at $550.50. In the after-hours it has touched $501, down about 8%.

As I listened to the conference call, just like I have listened to every conference call since before the launch of iPhone, I could not help but conclude that the incredible multi-year iPhone run has ended. Here is why.

Apple only sold 51 million iPhones during the quarter. This compares to consensus of about 56 million iPhones. This is one of the biggest misses in recent memory.

There were two big surprises on the conference call. First, iPhone sales declined year over year in North America. Second, an admission by Apple that it was adversely affected by changes in upgrade policies by phone carriers.

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This was a long time coming as Samsung and Android are coming of age and IMO making the iPhone an also ran.

1 posted on 01/27/2014 4:30:11 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Try changing the battery in your iphone.


2 posted on 01/27/2014 4:31:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red in Blue PA

Android is superior in that custom roms are available and it’s much more tweakable.

I have a Nexus 5 and it’s an outstanding phone. Android tablets ate coming along, too.

I confess, while I am not an Apple hayer, I never saw what the big deal was about.


3 posted on 01/27/2014 4:33:12 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Red in Blue PA

I guess this means that Apple is finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally going under.

This time for sure.


4 posted on 01/27/2014 4:35:21 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Ted Grant

I love my Samsung Galaxy S4 and would not trade it for an iPhone if you paid me. Amazing device.


5 posted on 01/27/2014 4:38:03 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rlmorel
This time for sure.

Maybe...

6 posted on 01/27/2014 4:38:53 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: rlmorel

You have almost as many “finally”s there as there have been “last nail”s in Microsoft’s coffin.


7 posted on 01/27/2014 4:39:10 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Ted Grant

Apple is in trouble as their business model is based upon the fact that people will pay 80%-100% premiums for phones and tablets. What happens when the competition is better?

They may have a lot of cash in the bank, but IMO they are going to be in trouble simply because of their pricing.

A $200 Android tablet can do just about anything a $700 ipad can do. What fool would pay $500 more for the same thing?


8 posted on 01/27/2014 4:40:07 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tacticalogic

Hahahahahaha...

Or Hilary’s...no..wait...


9 posted on 01/27/2014 4:40:48 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hmmmmm, should I buy a cell phone or heat my house? Smart phone or groceries?


10 posted on 01/27/2014 4:42:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Paladin2

Try adding a sim card.


11 posted on 01/27/2014 4:43:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hmmmmm, should I buy a cell phone or heat my house? Smart phone or groceries?

Just buy a 3D printer, then OC your processor to about a THz. That'll heat your house while you print cell phones and groceries.

12 posted on 01/27/2014 4:47:09 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Red in Blue PA
I love my Samsung Galaxy S4 and would not trade it for an iPhone if you paid me. Amazing device.

I am happy you are happy. I am happy with my IPhone 5. I am using it now. Whether it is IPhone, Samsung, Nokia, LG or whatever else is out there, these cell phones have many many features that I will never use. This IPhone does many more things that I could care less about, but I DO use it to post here on FR.

13 posted on 01/27/2014 4:50:43 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Paladin2
Try changing the battery in your iphone.

takes 3 minutes...

tools and battery for a few bucks on amazon

14 posted on 01/27/2014 4:54:17 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Red in Blue PA

A $200 Android tablet can do just about anything a $700 ipad can do. What fool would pay $500 more for the same thing?”

And I have a great little Samsung smiley that I paid $40 for. How will I ever survive only being able to talk and send an occasional text?


15 posted on 01/27/2014 4:56:16 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I just got the Samsung Note 3 after my S3 bit the dust on an evil but accidental drop.

They tried to give me a an iphone.


16 posted on 01/27/2014 4:56:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: C210N

Easier than the iPad.


17 posted on 01/27/2014 4:58:56 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red in Blue PA

             

one ringy-dingy ..
18 posted on 01/27/2014 4:59:12 PM PST by tomkat (still think it's 'too early' comrades ?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I fully understand why Obamafoam users hate Apple so much on this forum.


19 posted on 01/27/2014 5:01:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
History repeats itself. It was easier to develop for Windows that for the Mac and now it is easier to develop for Android than it is for IOS.

If Apple was smart, they would do away with their review process for apps and leave it to users to decide which apps are good and which aren't - the way Google does it.

20 posted on 01/27/2014 5:02:32 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Grams A
.. What fool would pay $500 more for the same thing?

107 = folks out there with more dollars than sense, Grams.

21 posted on 01/27/2014 5:02:59 PM PST by tomkat (still think it's 'too early' comrades ?)
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To: C210N

Will removing the iPhone 4 battery void the warranty?

The warranty will be void and yes, they will be able to tell.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=982732


22 posted on 01/27/2014 5:03:02 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Revolting cat!

Huh?

Apple is overpriced. And behind the times.


23 posted on 01/27/2014 5:04:03 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I have the new white 32gb LG G2....

I win


24 posted on 01/27/2014 5:04:28 PM PST by advertising guy (givin Iran, ian oil producing country, billions, is like givin Texas cattle cause they can grow hay)
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To: Paladin2

You mean the battery that usually covers the microSD card slot?
Yeah, iPple phones are tricky that way.

The i stands for “inadequate. “


25 posted on 01/27/2014 5:09:55 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yep, they ONLY sold 51 MILLION phones in 3 months! NOBODY buys them anymore - well except for 51 million people....


26 posted on 01/27/2014 5:12:21 PM PST by cantbetooconservative (I miss Ronald Reagan)
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To: cantbetooconservative

Fewer were sold in North American this year than last. That is not a winning strategy going forward no matter how you cut it. You can have all the money in the world, but if you cannot grow our business, you are essentially a bank.

Apple can win back more buyers by cutting the price, but that will hurt their profits. They have painted themselves into a corner.


27 posted on 01/27/2014 5:14:06 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They are all going to lose sales. The iPhone 4 still works sufficiently for anyone but a true power user. Why upgrade? Ditto for Droid. Especially true given how obastard’s policies have successfully (and intentionally) degraded the middle class (Bourgeoisie in obastard’s Marxist parlance).


28 posted on 01/27/2014 5:23:45 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Droid is not losing sales. And the Samsung Galaxy is the top selling phone worldwide.....a fact never mentioned on domestic media.


29 posted on 01/27/2014 5:27:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

True. But I said they all WILL. At a certain point the tech is ALL better than what the users need. And if the users are worried about their $10,000 obamacare deductible for their kids (the “affordable” one), they won’t bother to upgrade their more than sufficient tech. JMHO


30 posted on 01/27/2014 5:31:14 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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31 posted on 01/27/2014 5:45:12 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It took the ENTIRE rest of the industry just to break even with a single product from Apple.


32 posted on 01/27/2014 5:57:59 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I have a Samsung Galaxy S III with a 32 GB Micro SD card installed. In many ways, it's still a better phone than the iPhone 5 and still compares well with the iPhone 5S, especially with the current Android 4.3 (Jelly Bean) installed. Samsung is testing the Android 4.4 (KitKat) upgrade and that should be out by April 2014.

However, I still consider Apple to have the superior tablet computer. I have an iPad Air (32 GB Wi-Fi white case) and it's still way superior to most other tablet computers out there. Now, when will Google release the second-generation Nexus 10 tablet?

33 posted on 01/27/2014 5:59:21 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Sure you can buy a hamburger for a dollar. But then you’d have to eat it.”


34 posted on 01/27/2014 5:59:24 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: rlmorel

Did anyone say Apple was going under? Remember, Apple had a lot of bad years between their original success, and their return in the late 90s. They didn’t go under, but they were not doing that well.


35 posted on 01/27/2014 6:04:50 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Red in Blue PA

I love my Samsung Galaxy S4 and would not trade it for an iPhone if you paid me. Amazing device.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes it is - it’s a better camera than any camera that I have had. And it’s a phone, and a browser, hotspot.....
I know most modern phones do all this stuff. But the S4 is good Design.


36 posted on 01/27/2014 6:31:48 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The entire current intellectual premise of current smart phones is built upon the original iPhone of 2007.

The rivals have not come close to Apple’s dominance.

Good for them that they have something that can now compete.

Why would people change the battery on their phones?

Because they keep their phones for so many years that they need to put a new battery in it?

Actually no.

Apple has a superior set of interoperable devices that allows the root iOS to cooperate in ways that are difficult for Google and Android. Windows does not share so well.

It is amazing how people have for almost 20 years now decried the absolute end of Apple.

If people don’t want to buy apple products then fine. Why does that choice have to be followed with epitaph for Apple?

I love apple but I am glad samsung and android make phones to compete and challenge the market.


37 posted on 01/27/2014 6:49:08 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Wait until the sales figures to Red China are released, I be t they’ll sell millions and millions of those things...

Ed (who loves his iPhone 5s!)


38 posted on 01/27/2014 7:07:57 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m a user of their laptops and desktops but nothing lasts forever ‘but the earth and sky.’


39 posted on 01/27/2014 7:09:46 PM PST by posterchild
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To: Revolting cat!
I fully understand why Obamafoam users hate Apple so much on this forum.

Apple is an American company. Samsung is Korean, Lenovo is Chinese. Look at other tech manufacturers, most are foreign. I wonder why folks here don't champion American companies. They hate America?

40 posted on 01/27/2014 7:17:05 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Red in Blue PA

Samsuck you mean.


41 posted on 01/27/2014 7:17:44 PM PST by sigzero
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To: roadcat

They hate success. Just like the Left. Google, Microsoft, Dell, they are all hated here. And they issue bizarre predictions of these companies bankruptcies. They’d know how to run them themselves.


42 posted on 01/27/2014 7:22:09 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: roadcat

They hate success. Just like the Left. Google, Microsoft, Dell, they are all hated here. And they issue bizarre predictions of these companies bankruptcies. They’d know how to run them themselves.


43 posted on 01/27/2014 7:22:09 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: nickcarraway
Did anyone say Apple was going under? Remember, Apple had a lot of bad years between their original success, and their return in the late 90s. They didn’t go under, but they were not doing that well.

Apple will have other products. Every successful product that Apple launched was met with nasty naysaying by critics, only to become successful and the naysayers copied Apple and rolled out their own versions. Bill Gates was especially nasty with his comments. The iPod was soon copied as a Zune. The iPad was called an oversized iTouch and was said to be doomed to failure, but MS later rolled out a Surface.

When Apple runs out of ideas, they'll clone a Steve Jobs who will rescue the company with a new trailblazing product.

44 posted on 01/27/2014 7:23:41 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Apple is in trouble as their business model is based upon the fact that people will pay 80%-100% premiums for phones and tablets. What happens when the competition is better?”

Perhaps you oversimplify their biz model.


45 posted on 01/27/2014 7:31:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The Android Tablet only has about 20% of the Apps available..

Doesn’t matter if it is a better tablet! YET


46 posted on 01/27/2014 8:15:54 PM PST by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: nickcarraway

I was being facetious.

People have been badmouthing Apple and predicting their imminent demise for a long time, but somehow...there were just so many “fools” and “idiots” out there who liked using their products, and...they never quite made it all the way down.

I have never spoken about someone using Microsoft products in that tone that I often see in these threads, even though I have felt that way about Microsoft and its products itself quite often.

And I always disliked the Apple commercials that suggested without saying so, that people were dupes for using Windows products.

As an IT professional, I use and work with a multitude of platforms. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.


47 posted on 01/27/2014 8:40:08 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Red in Blue PA

A 2 year phone contract doesn’t help sell new models that come out every 6-9 months. But then, neither does a $600+ plus retail price.


48 posted on 01/27/2014 9:07:21 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: BillT

I bought my husband a cheap Tablet for Christmas.He hated it at first but now can read and see pictures better.He has an ipod.Now we have to get rid of his old phone.I have an Iphone 4 my daughter gave me and I love it so I think we will go with that.


49 posted on 01/27/2014 9:23:14 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: rlmorel

Personally, I have an issue with people saying a premium for something which has the same functions, and in some cases, even fewer. THAT is my criticism with Apple and always has been. I also never understood why (10+ years ago) people would spend $300 on an mp3 player when you could buy one which does the same thing for a third of the price.


50 posted on 01/28/2014 3:11:56 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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