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Top Republicans to present immigration plan
Idaho Statesman ^ | 1/28/14 | FRANCO ORDONEZ

Posted on 01/28/2014 6:48:52 AM PST by jimbo123

House GOP leaders are expected to push for legalizing millions of undocumented workers

The controversial proposal is reigniting another identity crisis over the future of the GOP. Some on the right have begun to mobilize against House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, with hopes of quashing plans to introduce a series of bills.

Leaders of the House of Representatives are expected to release the principles at their annual retreat later this week in Cambridge, Md. Those principles are likely to include tighter border security, an expanded guest-worker program, additional visas for high-tech workers and legalization for many of those people in the country illegally.

It’s the latest signal that the House leadership is taking immigration seriously. Boehner also hired a new aide last month, Rebecca Tallent, who’s considered a proponent of legalization. She was the director of immigration policy at the nonprofit Bipartisan Policy Center and also worked for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of the proponents of a comprehensive immigration proposal that included a path to citizenship.

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1 posted on 01/28/2014 6:48:52 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Stop catering, to illegal aliens.

Start building back American jobs.

When America’s unemployment rate is BELOW 5%, then we can talk about immigration.

Not one minute before then.

No.


2 posted on 01/28/2014 6:50:42 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: jimbo123

The goal should be to make it easier to immigrate legally, and to make it impossible to immigrate here illegally. Amnesty would wreck the rule of law.

the problem is that emotions and special interests are far to intimately involved in the issue. We’ll probably get amnesty, and it will be the usual government muck up.


3 posted on 01/28/2014 6:51:33 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: jimbo123

At first glance, I thought it read “Toy Republicans...”


4 posted on 01/28/2014 6:56:29 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: Daveinyork
The goal should be to make it easier to immigrate legally, and to make it impossible to immigrate here illegally.

Add in some selectivity--education, for example--and the ability to support oneself (or a support guarantee from a legal resident that is enforced). Stop pandering to national or racial interest groups. Eliminate the g-damned immigration lottery!

5 posted on 01/28/2014 6:59:07 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: jimbo123

Immigration Action Alert!

From our friends at the West Suburban Patriots:
Please call Congress Tues. 1/28..

Congress will be in session Mon. & Tues. Then the Republicans will be gone for a retreat Wed.-Fri. (1/29-1/31). During the retreat, they will be planning their strategy on how to PUSH THROUGH IMMIGRATION REFORM. Their plan is to wait until AFTER the primaries (sometime in April) so that members who vote FOR immigration reform will no longer be at risk of having a primary challenger. Instead of focusing on the Obamacare nightmare, the ruined economy & jobs, the IRS scandal, the Benghazi cover-up, etc., they are going to waste precious time on immigration reform! Let Congress know that now is NOT the time to push for immigration reform.

Congress needs to get phone calls from many, many constituents before they go on their retreat on Wednesday. Please share this message. Here are the points to emphasize:
“You’ve abdicated your responsibilities of Congress! We expect you to STOP Obamacare, STOP the IRS from persecuting conservatives & Christians, STOP the coverups of Benghazi and all the other scandals, STOP the EPA from decimating our energy resources, and STOP this lawless regime from continuing to destroy our Republic! Immigration reform is the LAST thing you should be working on right now!”

Please call TODAY. Find the number here:

http://www.house.gov/representatives/#state_al


6 posted on 01/28/2014 6:59:35 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: ecomcon

synonymous. When they start using words like “legalization” they are no longer republicans. They are at best democrats in drag and are traitors to this country


7 posted on 01/28/2014 7:00:00 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Daveinyork
The goal should be to make it easier to immigrate legally, and to make it impossible to immigrate here illegally.

No, the goal should be to drastically reduce legal immigration from the current 1.2 million a year to something approaching 300,000 or less. We should also bring in people with the skills we need and not hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts. The US brings in more legal immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined. Legal immigration is far too easy.

We have just had the two biggest decades of immigration in American history. In 1970, one in 21 was foreign born; today it is one in 8, the highest in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7 the highest in our history.

8 posted on 01/28/2014 7:02:15 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

IMHO, the STATE OF THE OBAMANATION IRON CURTAIN SPEECH tonight will include the following:

* An increase in Federal Wage Control regulation of increased redistribution of taxpayer wealth to the least skilled workers under Obamanation minimum wage control.

* Approval of the XL Pipeline if the evil Republicans will approve of, for an unspecified time, unlimited redistribution of taxpayer wealth as authorized by US President Valerie Jarrett.

* An increase in the total number of illegal alien invaders from Mexico that will receive an increased redistribution of taxpayer wealth and full voting rights.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth given away to the least qualified high school student loan candidates.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth to fund Republican-caused cost overruns to the following essential Obamanation Iron Curtain Programs:
****Obamacare re-education camp style advertising to the Obama-Youth;
****IRS Harassment of the evil Republican enemies of Obamanation;
****NSA spy on your neighbor;
****Benghazi Cover Up hush money to victim witnesses;
****purchase of teleprompters for all Democrat 2014 Federal Candidates;
****purchase of hollow point small arms ammunition for non-military Federal Bureaus;
****and increased manufacturing of Obamanation Barrycades.

* An increase in the redistribution of taxpayer wealth to pay for the cost of the Air Force One trips required after completion of this State of the Obamanation Iron Curtain Speech.

BTW, don’t be an evil Republican and oppose the inevitable Obamanation Iron Curtain, MOVE FORWARD!

It has allowed RINO Boehner to keep his job as Obamacrat Speaker of the House, and it can also keep the food stamps flowing to more and more of the lost Middle Class.

Do not try to build the American Dream for yourself, embrace the Obamanation Iron Curtain, MOVE FORWARD!


9 posted on 01/28/2014 7:07:46 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: All
THE REPUBLICAN PATH TO CITIZENSHIP--FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES----Meet the new Democrat voters.

Quoting Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge’s MEChA chapter: “The ultimate MECha ideology is the liberation of Aztlan (taking back the SW). Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing (of Americans) would commence: Non-Chicanos (Americans) would have to be expelled — opposition groups (that's us) would be quashed because latinos have to keep power.”

10 posted on 01/28/2014 7:22:21 AM PST by Liz
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To: jimbo123

There was an old cartoon called “Top Cat”, much funnier than the current breed of “Top Republicans”, who are mostly traitors to the U.S. Constitution.


11 posted on 01/28/2014 7:24:05 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Graewoulf
Obama could make big news tonight if he were to say that he will accept legalization of status of the lawbreakers (read amnesty) without a path to citizenship to stop deportations and reunite families. The Dems know that they this gives them amnesty and still allows them to use the club of citizenship against the Reps. It is win-win for Obama and the Dems.

The Stupid Party will then commit political suicide as the GOP base fractures and crumbles.

12 posted on 01/28/2014 7:42:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: jimbo123

An open letter to the GOP Members of the House

As a Representative in Congress, you took this Oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."


"Support and defend the Constitution" it says. Did you see that? That document requires, per Art.4, S.4, that

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."


An invasion is what we are suffering. That invasion has accelerated with each "comprehensive immigration reform" previously enacted. Instead of another disastrous reform that yet again increases the incentives for millions more to try their luck crossing the southern border, a Representative who took his Oath and the Constitution seriously would be pressing for what the American people have repeatedly said they want - not what Senator Schumer, Mexico, some border state farmers and homebuilders or the Chamber of Commerce rentseekers want. That is:
  1. secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;
  2. end the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment;
  3. enforce eVerify without exception and with severe penalties;
  4. no government benefits beyond critical emergency care (and that ought to be billed back to the Mexican government); and
  5. NO "Path to Citizenship" - ever - for anyone who has entered the US illegally.
Any bill that does not accomplish these five things is unacceptable. It is de facto amnesty. And it will inevitably encouarge millions more illegal entries.

If the GOP is complicit in this amnesty fiasco, either by taking up the Senate bill or through some piecemeal slight of hand with a series of House bills such as we hear are being cooked up this week, the GOP will cease to exist. It will not survive through the 2016 elections. The people will shun the over-tanned, glad-handing, backslapping quislings and look elsewhere for leaders who actually have the spine for the fight. Make no mistake - to me and many, many others, amnesty is the GOP's Rubicon. Cross it at your electoral peril.

13 posted on 01/28/2014 7:52:12 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: kabar

Are you the descendant of immigrants?


14 posted on 01/28/2014 8:00:30 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

We need to scrap the welfare state, or at the very least make it available only to citizens.


15 posted on 01/28/2014 8:01:23 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: jimbo123

The TP caucus should loudly lobby for amendments that would deny application of the law to any illegal who has used a SS# in order to work, those who have been convicted of any crime and those who have operated a motor vehicle without a license. It will force the leftists to resist and to vote against common sense proposals that no normal American could embrace. Gather the video evidence and subsequent votes for campaign ads.


16 posted on 01/28/2014 8:21:06 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: jimbo123

Dear John Boehner,

If you want to perform political suicide on yourself, I urge you not to. But if you decide to, do not take the entire republican party with you. If you want to wear a political suicide vest and immolate yourself, do not take others with you. Legalization is just a step in the 2-step towards amnesty.


17 posted on 01/28/2014 8:27:48 AM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Daveinyork
Yes, and so is practically everyone on the planet since humans left the Great Rift Valley in Africa and started to migrate around the planet. Even the so-called Native Americans crossed the Siberian land bridge to get here.

And we are not a nation of immigrants since 85% of us were born here. FYI: My wife is an immigrant.

What's the point of your question?

18 posted on 01/28/2014 8:40:51 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

If you are against immigration, reverse your own and your wife’s. Go back to the place the spawned you, otherwise you’re a hypocrite.


19 posted on 01/28/2014 9:12:04 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
If you are against immigration, reverse your own and your wife’s. Go back to the place the spawned you, otherwise you’re a hypocrite.

Why? Because I want to reduce legal immigration? Immigration to the US is a privilege, not a right. Our immigration policies should serve our national interests. Surely, you are not suggesting that there should be no limits to legal immigration.

And who the Hell are you to tell me to "go back to the place that spawned you." You are a real jerk.

20 posted on 01/28/2014 9:26:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

You have that privilege, your wife has that privilege. I have that privilege. You deny that privilege to others on what basis?


21 posted on 01/28/2014 9:43:08 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
You have that privilege, your wife has that privilege. I have that privilege. You deny that privilege to others on what basis?

We have limits, by law, on the number LEGAL IMMIGRANTS that can be admitted annually. There are various categories with numerical limits on them. Since the 1965 Immigration Act (pushed by Ted Kennedy and the Dems to make America look more like the rest of the world) we have increased our intake of legal immigrants dramatically from the 250,000 to 300,000 that used to enter annually during the period 1924-65. We also broadened our intake globally so that now 87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants are minorities as defined by the USG. It has had demographic and electoral consequences.

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

In 1970 one in 21 in this country was foreign-born; today it is one in 8, the highest it has been in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. We have just had the two highest decades in American history, yet the number of jobs has decreased. There is no correlation between the job numbers and our intake of immigrants.

And immigrants, legal and illegal, use our welfare system to a greater extent than the native born.

You deny that privilege to others on what basis?

There are literally billions who would like to have that privilege. We can't allow them all to come. No nation in the world has unlimited immigration. The people who should be extended that privilege should be those we deem can contribute best to the country. Currently, we don't have a merit based immigration system, but rather, a kinship system that brings in mostly unskilled and uneducated people.

We are taking in far too many immigrants. They are taking American jobs and depressing wages. They are also overburdening the social safety net. And they favor Big Government and the Democrats.

Immigration drives 75% of our population growth. The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 40 seconds. This has a demographic and electoral impact.

The U.S. is projected to become a majority-minority nation for the first time in 2043. While the non-Hispanic white population will remain the largest single group, no group will make up a majority.

All in all, minorities, now 37 percent of the U.S. population, are projected to comprise 57 percent of the population in 2060. (Minorities consist of all but the single-race, non-Hispanic white population.) The total minority population would more than double, from 116.2 million to 241.3 million over the period.


22 posted on 01/28/2014 10:35:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

But, you would change those limitations ‘cause, “I got mine, screw you.”


23 posted on 01/28/2014 1:21:57 PM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
But, you would change those limitations ‘cause, “I got mine, screw you.”

You just don't get it. It has nothing to do with me but what is best for the country. I gave you some data on what immigration is doing to the country.

You seem to believe that taking in 1.2 million immigrants a year can't be changed. And then you make it a personal issue having to do with me when I am discussing a public policy issue. We need to be more concerned about the welfare of our own citizens than we do about those wanting to come here.

You don't offer anything except personal attacks. What is so sacrosanct about the number 1.2 million? Why can't we reduce legal immigration when over 20 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed?

What is the purpose of an immigration policy?

24 posted on 01/28/2014 1:55:31 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“You don’t offer anything except personal attacks. What is so sacrosanct about the number 1.2 million? Why can’t we reduce legal immigration when over 20 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed?”

Those people are unemployed because of big government policies that drove them overseas. They’re not going to get jobs just because you make the government bigger so that it can restrict immigration.


25 posted on 01/28/2014 1:58:11 PM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
Those people are unemployed because of big government policies that drove them overseas. They’re not going to get jobs just because you make the government bigger so that it can restrict immigration.

Drove who overseas? Businesses?

Who wants to make government bigger? And what connection does reducing legal immigration have to do with making government bigger? What the hell are you talking about?

26 posted on 01/28/2014 4:05:46 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

If you can’t see it, I can’t splain it to you. It requires a big government to keep out all the immigrants. It’s an already too big government that drove the jobs overseas.

Besides, there are jobs. I have had a devil of a time filling jobs in my accounting practice last year. It took three months and four agencies just to find a qualified bookkeeper.


27 posted on 01/29/2014 4:21:26 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
We need to create 150,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth. We bring in 120,000 legal permanent immigrants a month (two thirds of them are workers) and 60,000 guest workers a month. We have 20 million Americans unemployed or underemployed and over 90 million Americans of working age (16-64) are not working.

Yes, a better business atmosphere would prevent some jobs from going overseas. However, the multinationals want to go to places that have cheap, educated competent workers. Globalism and free trade have shifted many jobs to the developing world. I have toured overseas multinational business facilities in China. The workforce is just as capable as ours and the factories have the latest technology. Labor costs are far less as are regulatory controls especially environmental concerns. Labor unions are not a concern. Hard for US workers to compete.

Ann Coulter has written the following article that sums up what I have been saying about the electoral consequences of mass immigration. It should be a must read for every Rep in Congress.

GOP CRAFTS PLAN TO WRECK THE COUNTRY, LOSE VOTERS

28 posted on 01/29/2014 8:54:43 PM PST by kabar
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To: jimbo123
House GOP leaders are expected to push for legalizing millions

One can not be conservative patriot and support the GOP.

Some out here have known the GOP sold out years ago...Others were hoodwinked and conned, the rest of their supporters are likely in on the con-job.

29 posted on 01/29/2014 9:10:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Daveinyork
Are you the descendant of immigrants?

WTF has that to do with the past 40 years of totally uncontrolled, reckless, country killing legal and illegal immigration?

30 posted on 01/29/2014 9:16:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Daveinyork
The goal should be to make it easier to immigrate legally, and to make it impossible to immigrate here illegally.

No, what we have needed for decades now is a 10+ year moratorium on ALL legal immigration.

And if the greedy well dressed corrupt mobsters in D.C. had one ounce of honor, they would have took care of our lawless violent borders at the same time.

31 posted on 01/29/2014 9:24:59 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kabar

Stopping immigration won’t help the jobs picture. some of them will create businesses and hire people. Stopping big government is what we need. If you don’t believe that, you might be a union thug.


32 posted on 01/30/2014 3:55:08 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
Stopping immigration won’t help the jobs picture. some of them will create businesses and hire people.

And far more of them will go on our welfare rolls. Our current pro-population growth immigration policies are fueling bigger and bigger government as we approach a population of half a billion within the next 50 years. Milton Friedman said that, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.

Two thirds of the federal budget is on autopilot. Entitlement spending will continue to consume more and more of the federal budget. We just added another huge entitlement program, Obamacare. Big government is a product of the welfare state. Government at all levels controls over 40% of GDP. The result is crony capitalism and a greater dependence on government.

57 percent of immigrant headed households with children use at least one major welfare program. We are importing poverty and hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts every year through our kinship system of immigration. 20 percent of the adult legal immigrants who enter each year lack even a high school degree. And 50% of the current 11 to 20 million illegal aliens lack a high school degree.

The status quo is not an option because the demographic changes wrought by immigration will slowly strangle the Republican Party and an amnesty will just hasten the process putting the final nail in the coffin of this country and the GOP. Americans should have an opportunity to decide whether our immigration policies are to serve the long-term interests of all Americans or the short-term interests of corporate and special (often political, religious and ethnic) interest groups. Legal immigration is a controllable variable that can be adjusted in the national interest if we have the political will to do so. And illegal immigration can be stopped and reversed if we as a nation make a resolute commitment to secure our borders and enforce our existing laws.

History is replete with the carcasses of empires, nations, and city-states that failed to “get it right” on the issue of immigration. After five decades of grossly misguided immigration policy, this may be our nation’s last chance to “get it right.” We owe it to our children and future generations.

American jobs for American workers.

33 posted on 01/30/2014 6:05:32 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Then the answer is to make the welfare available only to citizens, or better yet, scrap the whole thing. What? no chance of that? What are the chances of cutting off all immigration? about the same.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 7:35:16 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
Then the answer is to make the welfare available only to citizens, or better yet, scrap the whole thing. What? no chance of that?

There are laws that prevent illegal aliens from receiving welfare payments. Most get there assistance thru their American born children. 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies are born to illegal aliens each year. They are citizens thru birthright citizenship. Most of the immigrants receiving welfare payments are citizens or green card holders. Take a look at the chart I provided at post #22.

The welfare state is unsustainable. We can't afford it. SS has been running in the red since 2010 and Medicare has been in deficit since 2008. The SS DI Trust Fund is exhausted in 2016 and will require immediate Congressional action. Dependency on government is growing exponentially. What do you think happens to those Americans who have their jobs taken by immigrants or their wages depressed to the point that they qualify for welfare payments like food stamps?

And federal welfare payments are only part of the costs of immigration. For example, here in Fairfax County, VA there are 31,000 ESOL students out of 180,000 students in the system. The costs of just the ESOL instruction amounts to $104 million a year and that doesn't include the $13,000 per capita costs for a student. The county pays 87% of the school costs, which amount to $2.4 billion a year. The school budget is 56% of the total county budget. Our property taxes continue to go up to support the growing school population fueled by immigration. 30% of the county is foreign-born compared to 15% in 1990. This also has electoral consequences as VA is now purple trending solid blue in a decade. CA is the model of how immigration can transform a state electorally and economically.

What are the chances of cutting off all immigration? about the same.

Whoever said to cut off all immigration? I am advocating a drastic reduction from 1.2 million a year to about 300,000 a year. Our immigrant intake should be linked to our job needs.

35 posted on 01/30/2014 7:57:21 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

It’ll get corrupted. Whenever you give the government that much power, officials will yield to superior influence and bribery. Human nature indicates that those 300,000 will NOT be the sort that we would want.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 8:30:05 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
We need a merit based system rather than the kinship system we have now with chain migration, i.e., family reunification. The kinship system is far more subject to corruption than the former.

The point is that we are taking in far too many immigrants, unskilled or otherwise. 300,000 of any stripe would be better than the 1.2 million we have now and that doesn't include the 700,000 guest workers. At any one time there are about 2 million people here on temporary work permits. And add to that the 900,000 foreign students in our universities.

37 posted on 01/30/2014 8:51:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Any system will be corrupted. The fewer immigrants you permit, the more corrupt the system, and the immigrants.


38 posted on 01/30/2014 9:13:22 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork

LOL. How do you argue with logic like that? I guess we should bring in 5 million immigrants a year to make it less corrupt.


39 posted on 01/30/2014 9:16:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Power corrupts. You can laugh at it all you want. It does not change that fact. Power over immigration can be power over life and death in some situations. Tell me that kind of power won’t corrupt some key officials.


40 posted on 01/30/2014 9:19:16 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
It already has. We have corporate interests pressuring the GOP to increase legal immigration to 33 million over the next decade (almost three times higher than the largest decade of immigration in our history) and doubling the size of the guest worker programs to 1.4 million a year.

The corporate paymasters don't care what happens to the country or the GOP, which will commit political suicide if it goes along with this program.

We have corruption in our government when it comes to enforcing our existing immigration laws. Obama has already passed a backdoor amnesty for the Dreamers. DOJ has sued states like AZ and AL for enforcing federal immigration laws while giving a pass to sanctuary states, counties, and cities who refuse to cooperate with the federal government on the enforcement of our immigration laws. Our border remain porous despite the threats of terrorism, drugs, and an invasion of our sovereignty. We have no mechanism to track and deport visa overstays, which account for 40% of the 11 to 20 million illegal aliens in the country. We have ICE agents filing suit against the USG for not allowing them to do their jobs. Why? Because the Dems benefit politically as do other special interest groups.

Other areas like the enforcement of our drug laws (now the feds cast a blind eye to states that permit the legal sale of marijuana) the failure to enforce our voting rights laws like what the New Black Panthers did in Philadelphia, the abuses of the IRS without any accountability, etc. are just a few examples of how our government has been corrupted.

41 posted on 01/30/2014 10:01:03 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

So, you think enforcement of any new laws will be any less corrupt? We’ll get 300,000 new drug dealers and terrorists, while honest people desiring to immigrate to start new lives will not have the resources to bribe our immigration enforcers. And we’ll have a lot more illegals than we have now.


42 posted on 01/30/2014 10:26:20 AM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork
We don't need new laws to enforce. We just need to enforce the ones we have. We used to bring in 250,000 to 300,000 legal immigrants year for over 40 years(1924-65), but after the 1965 Immigration Act, we have repeatedly raised the levels of immigration as well as changing the source of immigrants from Europe to the developing world.

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I think your concern should be about the welfare of your fellow citizens rather than those wanting to come here, legally or illegally.

43 posted on 01/30/2014 10:41:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

My concern is that you seem to think that the government that gave us obamacare will ever, ever, do this right, even as you see it should be done. “I’m from the government, I’m here to help.


44 posted on 01/30/2014 2:18:05 PM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: kabar

My fellow citizens elected Bill Clinton, Barack Hussein Obama, and voted in large numbers for Al Gore. Most of them can go to hell for all I care.


45 posted on 01/30/2014 2:20:14 PM PST by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: Daveinyork

If we don’t do it (immigration) the country is finished. It may already be too late. Demography is destiny.


46 posted on 01/30/2014 2:24:36 PM PST by kabar
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To: Daveinyork

And they will take you, me, and the rest of the country to Hell with them. We get the government we deserve.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 2:26:06 PM PST by kabar
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To: jimbo123

“Ok, well grant amnesty, but that’s it!”

*Five years later, and another 20 million illegals”

“Ok, we’ll grant amnesty....but that’s it....and this time we MEAN IT!!!”

*Another Five years later, and another 20 million illegals*

“Gringos! ¡Fuera de nuestro país!”


48 posted on 01/30/2014 2:27:56 PM PST by dfwgator
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Correction: If we don’t do it (immigration) right, the country is finished. It may already be too late. Demography is destiny.
49 posted on 01/30/2014 2:29:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: ecomcon

They are walking, talking robot toys and Obama holds the ‘windup key’........


50 posted on 01/30/2014 2:54:04 PM PST by potlatch
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