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Twisting Sexual-Assault Statistics: President Obama’s numbers are hyperbolic.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/369422/twisting-sexual-assault-statistics-katherine-connell ^ | Jan. 28, 2014 | Katherine Connell

Posted on 01/28/2014 11:12:10 AM PST by SAVEOURSOULS

‘It is estimated that one in five women on college campuses has been sexually assaulted during their time there — one in five,” President Obama said on Wednesday. The occasion for this lecture: He was announcing the creation of a White House Task Force to Protect Students from Sexual Assault.

It’s a startlingly high number that figured prominently in the leads of media reports on the announcement. As NRO contributor Heather Mac Donald pointed out the last time the administration bandied it about, if it were true it would mean that women at American colleges experience a “rate of sexual assault astronomically higher than anything seen in America’s most violent cities (in Detroit, for example, there were 36.8 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009, a rate of 0.037 percent.)”

But is it accurate? While estimates in this range have been reported since the ’80s, the report released in conjunction with the president’s creation of the task force cites a pair of more recent studies for the figure. One of them, “The Campus Sexual Assault Study,” prepared for the National Institute of Justice in 2007, found that 19 percent of women reported “experiencing completed or attempted sexual assault since entering college.” The number who experienced a completed sexual assault was 13.7 percent; 4.7 percent of respondents experienced “physically forced” assaults (3.7 percent of these physically forced assaults were rapes). Eleven percent of women were assaulted while incapacitated by alcohol or drugs.

The problem with lumping all of these figures together is that they cover a range of incidents, some of them inarguably rape or lesser kinds of sexual assault, and others that are harder to categorize that way. The best evidence that this ambiguity exists is that many of the women classified by researchers as having experienced rape or sexual assault do not consider this to have been their experience. The NIJ study found that more than 60 percent of women who were victims of incapacitated rape did not think they had been raped, which reflects the difficulty of determining what constitutes consent in drunken sex, even for the people involved. Such studies consistently find this discrepancy between women’s self-reported attitudes and how researchers classify their responses.

To understand how this works, consider another study to which the president’s report points, finding that 20 percent of women are raped in their lifetimes. In its definition of rape, the CDC’s “National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence” survey includes sex that occurred when the victim was drunk or high, regardless of whether she was incapacitated or unable to give consent. Participants were asked to respond to the question: “When you were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to give consent, how many people ever had vaginal sex with you?” A woman could list instances of consensual sex she had while intoxicated that she did not consider to be rape — that were in fact not rape — and the researchers would nonetheless classify her as a rape victim.

None of this is to deny that rape obviously can and frequently does occur in cases where alcohol is involved. Nor is it to say that the prevalence of sexual assault on college campuses is not a serious problem. It is. It is serious enough to merit addressing without resorting to inflated statistics. And these numbers point to a larger problem with the culture of our colleges. The bogus “one in five” formulation does more to obscure the issue than to honestly address it.

Then again, to justify the sweeping federal response that the president has ordered to address the problem, he probably needs a bit of hyperbole.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaymilitary; obamalies; savethemales; waronwomenmeme

1 posted on 01/28/2014 11:12:10 AM PST by SAVEOURSOULS
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2 posted on 01/28/2014 11:15:50 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Using this definition of sexual assault how do you determine who is the assaulter and who is the victim when the man and the woman are equally intoxicated?


3 posted on 01/28/2014 11:16:48 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

4 posted on 01/28/2014 11:17:15 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

I wonder what was the rate of “sexual assault” in the Clinton White House, under the definition used in the study cited by President Obama?


5 posted on 01/28/2014 11:17:33 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

And woe be to the person who says, “How was she dressed?” or “How much had she had to drink?”, or “Had she been openly flirting earlier?” You absolutely can’t mention those things. They are not an excuse for rape, but they are most certainly circumstances that lend themselves to being taken advantage of, and to deny they play a role is idiotic.


6 posted on 01/28/2014 11:18:03 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: All

well sure, because men are animals. and if you’re white, Christian and heterosexual, then you’re an anti-Semitic, racist, homophobic, rapist.
I think we should just put ankle bracelets on the lot of you.


7 posted on 01/28/2014 11:19:54 AM PST by willywill
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To: jagusafr
to deny they play a role is idiotic

And then, a single woman can go backpacking by herself in India or volunteer in refugee camps for Moslems.

8 posted on 01/28/2014 11:21:50 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: circlecity

It’s very simple.

An intoxicated woman is not responsible at all for anything she does or anything that happens to her.

An intoxicated man is fully responsible for anything he does.

I have always wondered how anybody who gets really, really drunk can be sure even in their own mind if the sex they engaged in was consensual or not.


9 posted on 01/28/2014 11:23:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

I read a report, can’t find it now, comparing rape rates in college towns vs the rape rate reported on the campus of the college in town- if true you are thousands of times more likely to get raped at MIT than in Cambridge, likewise Princeton U vs Princeton, NJ, UCLA vs Los Angeles.

I think the definition is important.

So 0bama is going to end sexual assault in the military, and now on campus. If he’s using a skeevy definition of sex assault, the real goal may be regulations regarding how we act and what we are allowed to express to others.


10 posted on 01/28/2014 11:24:31 AM PST by DBrow
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

“I gotcher back! (Especially yours, Reggie)”


11 posted on 01/28/2014 11:24:43 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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12 posted on 01/28/2014 11:24:50 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

If that 20% was correct what parent in would let their daughter attend college without body guards?


13 posted on 01/28/2014 11:25:25 AM PST by bunnie911
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To: SAVEOURSOULS
There was this one time that I was a victim of a sexual assault. We were so young then. We were roomies in the salad days of the Portland music scene. She was a little blonde minx with a little bob haircut. She was living her "gay" lifestyle and I just happened to be home and a little drunk the night she "strayed"

quite wonderful actually. I would have married that girl - it was the least I could have done . . .

14 posted on 01/28/2014 11:25:47 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: jagusafr

“They are not an excuse”

Harking back to the Kobe Bryant case, it would appear that a woman going to a man’s hotel room, removing her clothing, getting into bed, and allowing the man to penetrate her does not imply consent.


15 posted on 01/28/2014 11:28:01 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Ever notice that the wierdo we have for president seems to be obsessed with sex?

Obama has been more focused on sex, recreational sex, condoms, sex, birth control pills, sex, homosexualism, sex, lesbians, transexuals and rape than all previous presidents combined.

He definately has a few screws loose upstairs along with some unresolved issues about his own parentage.

If he was as interested in promoting job creation as he is in promoting sex the economy would be booming.


16 posted on 01/28/2014 11:28:02 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

The same folks who have done everything to exile morality and self-restraint from American life squawk the loudest about sexual assault and harassment. Go figure.


17 posted on 01/28/2014 11:28:02 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Iron Munro

That’s a little unfair to the prez.

He is simply reflecting the obsessions of his party and its base.


18 posted on 01/28/2014 11:31:17 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

In today’s hyper “ready to be offended” mode of the feminazis a butt slap or propositioning a girl is a SEXUAL ASSAULT. Because the girl felt “uncomfortable.”


19 posted on 01/28/2014 11:32:49 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Our young girls are programmed about sex by the TV, movies, rock & roll music and even through sex education in schools and the one constant messages is that it is normal to have premarital sex.

When they do enter college some are all hot to trot to have sex with college men. These college men then begin to see little or no sexual boundaries and succumb to their urges.

When alcohol is introduced, lines are blurred and sometimes these college girls simply decide to “hook up” with the college men and have sex with no strings or responsibility attached all before getting married.

With lines blurred from alcohol and hormones, these women do things things that they may later regret and then place the responsibility for their actions on the men who these girls decided to get in bed.

Sometimes, the college men are falsely accused of sexual assault by these college girls who were at the time all willing to engage in the premarital sex.


20 posted on 01/28/2014 11:33:57 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: jagusafr; Sherman Logan

Here’s my question. If the level of sexual assault claimed by Barry on campuses and in the military were accurate, how are women as qualified as men to be combat soldiers when they can’t even defend themselves against an unarmed colleague?


21 posted on 01/28/2014 11:36:45 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Iron Munro
Google Obama - malia - Sasha - daughters - pregnancy - abortion - sex

This little pencil necked freak is a real sick sick sick "daddy"

22 posted on 01/28/2014 11:39:40 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Some of the “assaults” are simply pangs of regret while taking the”Walk of Shame” the next morning.


23 posted on 01/28/2014 11:41:37 AM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: all the best

It is easy to figure. Standard Marxist MO: Create a problem and then offer increased government power and involvement as the only solution.


24 posted on 01/28/2014 11:43:01 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Never ever accept a liberals premise as the starting point for a policy discussion. They LIE! They make up statistics. IOW they cannot be trusted.


25 posted on 01/28/2014 11:44:07 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Lizavetta
Because the girl felt “uncomfortable.”

Meaning the guy wasn't "popular" "cute" "fit" "had money" "of higher rank " "older" "mature" - etc etc etc

26 posted on 01/28/2014 11:45:33 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Oliviaforever

From what I read, a lot happens in college “under the influence.” Someone once asked why men are accused of nonconsensual sex, but women aren’t, when everyone is drunk. It’s simply a fact of nature that, if a sex act occurred, there’s physical evidence that the man did it (with/to/on) the woman, and that means that he was conscious enough to do it. There’s no similar evidence that she was conscious.

You’d think all this would make both sexes think twice about getting drunk, high, and naked, but it doesn’t seem to.


27 posted on 01/28/2014 11:52:09 AM PST by Tax-chick (You just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

I remember when the Univ of Miami noted 22% of female student were raped and wanted 500.00 grant to study it. After they got the money they acknowledge not a single rape on campus was reported during the years they wanted the money to study.


28 posted on 01/28/2014 11:53:11 AM PST by edcoil ( "All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." - Blaise Pascal)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

“Estimating” a number allows one to use any number he likes.


29 posted on 01/28/2014 12:02:59 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

Where is Bammy on misogynistic rap lyrics and sexual assaults in the ‘hood?


30 posted on 01/28/2014 12:11:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Oliviaforever

Now the latest mantra among the she-woman man-haters club is that “alcohol is the number one date rape drug.”

A girl and a guy spend time together, and both of them voluntarily get drunk. Gee, I wonder what will happen next? Any girl that willingly gets drunk with a guy should know what is going to happen in all likelihood. Guys were attracted to two types of girls; the kind you take home from the party, and the kind you take home to mom and dad. The good girls you would take home to mom and dad who I knew in college usually went to parties in groups together, and kept each other accountable in not drinking too much and keeping the dangerous guys at bay.

Not that this was ever an issue for me while I was in college. At the time I was using the most effective contraceptive ever created; my personality. It trumped the alcohol.


31 posted on 01/28/2014 12:20:11 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

I’ve told you 30 billion times - don’t exaggerate.


32 posted on 01/28/2014 12:29:18 PM PST by DManA
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To: informavoracious

Based upon the description, 60% don’t even qualify at that meager standard. 60% weren’t even considered rapes or sexual assaults by the woman in question.


33 posted on 01/28/2014 12:32:32 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS

"One in five sexually assaulted? That's ridiculous!
I haven't had the TIME to meet one in five!"

34 posted on 01/28/2014 12:37:38 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: SAVEOURSOULS
Look, I'm all for calling out Barry and the RATS on the hyperbole, but can you really blame them if it works every single time they do it? They can lie all they want, but there's obviously a very willing and receptive group of women/poor/minorities for the garbage they spew or it wouldn't fly. Incredibly frustrating.

Romney was on to something with his 47% comment, but the GOPe wet themselves over it and made sure Ryan apologized to remove it from the campaign. Had it stayed an issue, it could have been used to make them see how they're being played. Same with women. Of course they won't do it and in fact, you can bet that Barry will throw out the Super Bowl is the most dangerous day of the year for women lie and how it's unacceptable and immoral, and both sides of the aisle will jump up and applaud madly. Incredibly disgusting.
35 posted on 01/28/2014 12:41:47 PM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Lizavetta

It’s worse than that. I have known some women to file workplace sexual harassment charges against people saying “good morning”.


36 posted on 01/28/2014 12:48:14 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: bunnie911
I suspect the government is working up to federalizing all sexual assault by calling it hate crimes and by describing all interaction between two people as potential sexual assault.

That would, of course, bring total control of the population because all would be prosecutable felons. That would be the dream situation for the Left. This was set up for this from the beginning when "hate crimes" became part of the law.

37 posted on 01/28/2014 1:09:04 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Tax-chick

Not sure what you mean - /sarc key on?


38 posted on 01/28/2014 4:46:49 PM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: colorado tanker

Short answer: they’re ridiculously inaccurate. I sat as an Article 32 investigating officer last summer on a case involving allegations of sexual assault. I was appalled at the allegations, but the testimony from the accused was more believable that than of the “victim”. He did stupid things while under the influence. So did she. And they were BOTH younger than my girls. Heartbreaking.


39 posted on 01/28/2014 4:51:04 PM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: jagusafr

I meant that doing those things is dangerous for women, but it’s not appropriate to mention it once something bad happens.


40 posted on 01/28/2014 5:23:18 PM PST by Tax-chick (There is no cake, there is only Zuul.)
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