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The 3,000-year-old inscription that could prove Old Testament stories are TRUE
The Daily Mail ^ | 27 January 2014 | MARK PRIGG

Posted on 01/28/2014 6:31:03 PM PST by Fractal Trader

A small fragment of ancient pottery researchers believe shows the first wine label could prove that the reigns of King Solomon and King David actually occurred.

The 10th century BC 'Ophel Inscription' was unearthed last year, and scientists were initially baffled by the bizarre language that was inscribed on the remains of a jug.

A new translation reveals the contents of a jar was 'lousy' plonk intended for slaves - and sheds new light on society at the time.

The label dates from second half of the 10th Century BC and was discovered in the Ophel area of Jerusalem, south of Temple Mount+7 The label dates from second half of the 10th Century BC and was discovered in the Ophel area of Jerusalem, south of Temple Mount The word on the pitcher reads 'yayin' or wine and he believes it should read 'in the year [¿ ]M, wine, part, m[¿]' in a form of ancient Hebrew, according to professor Galil+7

The word on the pitcher reads 'yayin' or wine and he believes it should read 'in the year [¿ ]M, wine, part, m[¿]' in a form of ancient Hebrew, according to professor Galil

The discovery was made in the ruins of a Byzantine public structure located in the Ophel region - between the city of David and around 50 metres from the southern wall of the First Temple. Temple Mount is considered one of the most religious sites in Jerusalem and is where two biblical Jewish temples once stood.

It is also a site of Muslim interest site known as the Haram as-Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary.

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'We are dealing here with real kings, and the kingdom of David and Solomon was a real fact,' Gershon Galil from the department of Jewish History at Haifa University told FoxNews.com.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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'We are dealing here with real kings, and the kingdom of David and Solomon was a real fact,' Gershon Galil from the department of Jewish History at Haifa University told FoxNews.com.
1 posted on 01/28/2014 6:31:03 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 01/28/2014 6:31:19 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

Not good news for the homosexuals and their admirers.


3 posted on 01/28/2014 6:32:32 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Of course it is true. The Bible presents it as fact, and therefore it is. Regardless or how long it takes archeologists to catch up with the truth of Scripture.


4 posted on 01/28/2014 6:35:19 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Fractal Trader

the seemingly frantic need to prove the existence of something that exists in every life form on this planet decries fait accompli


5 posted on 01/28/2014 6:38:16 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: FlingWingFlyer

ah yeah cant we get an executive order here or something


6 posted on 01/28/2014 6:40:17 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Sola Veritas

True dat. Don’t need any stinking inscription to prove the Bible.


7 posted on 01/28/2014 6:40:27 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Fractal Trader

8 posted on 01/28/2014 6:40:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Jealousy is when you count someone else's blessings instead of your own.)
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To: Fractal Trader

He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest. And the Lord God shall give Him the throne of His father David. — Luke 1:32 MKJV

David was real, David’s throne was real, a lineage that is heir to that throne still lives and will continue to live to the time when Jesus will return to claim it and fulfill this promise.


9 posted on 01/28/2014 6:41:00 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Fractal Trader
'We are dealing here with real kings, and the kingdom of David and Solomon was a real fact,'

I didn't know anyone doubted it.

10 posted on 01/28/2014 6:49:24 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: Sola Veritas

And they went to great lengths to make a record of what was happening at the time and then even more to guard it. The youth of today are so online media oriented they can’t grasp the thought of having any historical records recorded in a book offline somewhere hence they don’t believe it happened. Wouldn’t it be funny if their online identities were erased so they might begin to grasp the concept of what is real or not?


11 posted on 01/28/2014 6:52:06 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Fractal Trader

Will they have Mogan David in Heaven?


12 posted on 01/28/2014 6:56:56 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Sola Veritas

How true.


13 posted on 01/28/2014 7:02:31 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Fractal Trader

so, who thought this wasn’t true? I thought David & Solomon were historical figures, or I am just dumb? I actually studied from the Bible for an ancient history class I had once.

Don’t really know much about the Bible, but I never doubted these were actual guys, never doubted that David wrote the Psalms, even if the baby story was maybe made up.

Set me straight, Freepers!


14 posted on 01/28/2014 7:30:06 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Fractal Trader

I never had a doubt


15 posted on 01/28/2014 7:36:24 PM PST by Nifster
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To: bigheadfred

President B-O saw one of the jugs they found marked “Goliath”, and he mistook it for a commandment telling him what to say in his speech tonight: “Go! Liath!”


16 posted on 01/28/2014 7:43:55 PM PST by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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To: jocon307
I had a law professor that gave me the best reason to believe that the Bible is historically correct. The professor was a big liberal, but also an ancient history buff. He said that all ancient historians removed all of the bad things and only recalled the good things. As a historical document, it is exceptional that the Jews wrote such detail with warts and all.

A fellow student brought up that such and such governor did not rule during such a period, so the Bible was defective. The professor popoo'ed any discrepancy about who was governor at such a period, because "we really don't know who was "governor during that time" except what was written in the Bible." And not five years later I read an article; which stated that the archeologist were astounded when they found direct evidence that the name of the governor during a certain period was what the Bible said it was, rather than several centuries later as what was earlier believed. Kind of like the Governor John Brown lived served in 1825 and his great great grandson, John Brown, served in 1950.

17 posted on 01/28/2014 8:03:58 PM PST by fini
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To: Fractal Trader

“could prove that the reigns of King Solomon and King David actually occurred. “

There are people who don’t believe this? Too funny!


18 posted on 01/28/2014 8:49:23 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Actually, the Old Testament will prove whether these books are true.


19 posted on 01/28/2014 9:09:02 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Fractal Trader

After further study, the time faded label says “Mogen David Concord Red Wine.”


20 posted on 01/28/2014 9:22:18 PM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: Fractal Trader; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Holly_P; ...

Once again, I am impressed at how archaeology has proven the Bible true on so many details over such a long period of time.

The Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth. – Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith; p. 194

And once again, my heart breaks for my LDS friends and relatives.

The Book of Mormon is purportedly sacred scripture that trumps the Holy Bible in importance. It makes hundreds of scientifically verifiable claims including:

And yet scientists have been unable to verify even one of the book's amazing assertions – and has instead disproved hundreds.

The contrast between historical accuracy of the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon is indeed profound.

21 posted on 01/28/2014 9:35:47 PM PST by Zakeet (If taxes on cigarettes deter smoking, do taxes on earnings deter working?)
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To: RicocheT; Fractal Trader
"You can’t go wrong with a bottle of wine from one of Israel’s big five wineries — Carmel, Barkan, Golan Heights, Binyamina, Teperberg — or from other well-known brands, such as Tishbi, Dalton, Galil Mountain and Recanati, whose consistent quality has earned them a solid place on American retail shelves.

These wines have been winning customer kudos and international tasting awards for the past decade, which is largely responsible for the steady growth in Israeli wine exports to the level of some $15 million annually….

"...All around the world, wine magazines are naming Israeli wines, so among experts everybody recognizes the surge in quality,” says Gary Landsman, director of marketing for Royal Wine, the largest importer, distributor and producer of kosher wines in North America…."

From here.

"Yarden's 1999 Cabernet Sauvignon, which won the Gold Medal, TrophŽe Or and Grand Prix d'Honneur at Vinexpo 2003 in Bordeaux"…>

More here

22 posted on 01/28/2014 10:35:51 PM PST by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, Hillary Abedin Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood. A cs p)
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To: Vendome

If my Grandmother has any say, they sure will! ... well, at least at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners.


23 posted on 01/28/2014 11:28:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Message decoded: 3,000-year-old text sheds light on biblical history
FoxNews.com | July 31, 2013/ | Sasha Bogursky/
Posted on 8/5/2013 10:36:59 AM by BenLurkin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3051283/posts


24 posted on 01/28/2014 11:58:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Fractal Trader; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Fractal Trader.

25 posted on 01/29/2014 12:01:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: MHGinTN

LOL

Yer a country boy like me.

Figure you’ll remember this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctiC69zvn14&feature=youtube_gdata_player


26 posted on 01/29/2014 12:55:06 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: MHGinTN

Here’s the original

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EGhSXb4Dc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Love the vocals and transitions


27 posted on 01/29/2014 12:59:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: UCANSEE2; Sola Veritas; theBuckwheat; jocon307
UCANSEE2: "I didn't know anyone doubted it."

jocon307: "so, who thought this wasn’t true?
I thought David & Solomon were historical figures, or I am just dumb?"

The usual term is "biblical minimalists": ideas presented by scholars the likes of Israel Finkelstein, Niels Peter Lemche and Thomas L. Thompson at the University of Copenhagen, Philip R. Davies, and Keith Whitelam.
These scholars took (or take) the position: nothing in the Bible can be believed unless it is independently attested to.
For New Testament "minamalists" you can look at John Dominick Crossan's "Jesus Seminar".

For the works of scholars opposed to "minimalism", I highly recommend the magazine, "Biblical Archaeology Review"


28 posted on 01/29/2014 3:50:22 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Zakeet; restornu; StormPrepper; Normandy; Grig; teppe; trebb

No BBQ’d curelom for YOU next summer!


29 posted on 01/29/2014 4:35:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
Once again, I am impressed at how archaeology has proven the Bible true on so many details over such a long period of time.

Once again, I am impressed at how archaeology has proven MORMONism true on so many details over such a long period of time!

--MormonDude(You can find all KINDS of artifacts from the great wars of the Lamanites and Nephites in our museum in Salt Lake City!)

30 posted on 01/29/2014 4:37:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
... artifacts from the great wars of the Lamanites and Nephites ...



 
MORMON
Chapter 6

The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles—Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah—The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed—Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.

2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.

3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired. 

4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.

5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away, we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.

6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.

7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.

8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.

9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.

10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.

11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.

12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.

13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.

14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.

15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:

17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!

18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.

19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!

20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.

21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.


 
 
Mormon 8:2
And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.


31 posted on 01/29/2014 4:38:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
... artifacts from the great wars...


Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle...
 
 
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The BIGGEST battle EVER recorded; and not ONE even teeny bit of evidence of it can be found!!
 
 


The Book of Ether

Chapter 15

Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.

 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the awords which Ether had spoken unto him.

 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.

 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul amourned and refused to be bcomforted.

 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.

 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.

 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.

 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.

 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.

 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.

 10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.

 11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.

 12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.

 13 And it came to pass that Ether did abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.

 14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.

 15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with aweapons of war, having shields, and bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.

 16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.

 17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.

 18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.

 19 But behold, the aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and bSatan had full power over the chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.

 20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.

 21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.

 22 And when the night came they were adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.

 23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.

 24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.

 25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.

 26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.

 27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.

 28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.

 29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.

 30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.

 31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

 32 And it came to pass that aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.

 33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he afinished his brecord; (and the chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.

 34 Now the last words which are written by aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.

 

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15

 

 


32 posted on 01/29/2014 4:40:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fractal Trader

He is attempting to extrapolate beyond the limits of the supporting facts.

He takes a note defining the vintage year and extrapolates it into the Bible. Unscholarly BS


33 posted on 01/29/2014 4:41:36 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: fini

Thank you, my professor too presented the bible (parts of it) as basically a true history, even if some things got a bit scrambled due to time, mis-translation, etc.

Prof. A. was a very serious minded guy. Even though we kind of knew he was a believing Jew (don’t remember how we knew this, but that’s my recollection), he would NEVER have cited the Bible as true just because he believed in it relgiously.


34 posted on 01/29/2014 6:08:33 AM PST by jocon307
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To: BroJoeK

Thank you, that explains a lot. It also explains how some people can be soooooooo stupid as to deny that Jews lived in Israel in ancient times.

Oy, the lies the left tells themselves never cease to amaze. I guess the Roman records document Jews in Israel pretty well, I don’t think you’d even need to believe one word of the Bible to verify that.

Although it kind of is amazing that any of this stuff survives. I looked up Lon Chaney last night (because I was confused about Sr. & Jr.) and according to Wikipedia there are pretty large gaps in what is known in the life of Lon Chaney, Sr. and he was a fairly well known actor who lived from 1883-1930, that surprised me a bit.


35 posted on 01/29/2014 6:13:53 AM PST by jocon307
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To: SunkenCiv

True history does not prove the magical portions of the OT are true.

Just saying.


36 posted on 01/29/2014 7:15:10 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Vendome

Wow, I do not remember ever hearing that one!


37 posted on 01/29/2014 7:25:31 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

No?

Luv Gatlin Brothers...


38 posted on 01/29/2014 7:59:25 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: jocon307
jocon307: "I guess the Roman records document Jews in Israel pretty well, I don’t think you’d even need to believe one word of the Bible to verify that."

Indeed, virtually all the Bible's basic historical background, and many of its narrative details, are supported by independent historical sources and/or archaeology.

In this context, it's interesting to note that Bill O'Reilly has claimed of his book "Killing Jesus" that it is written only from independently verified sources.
Well, that's an exaggeration, but it truly is astonishing how much independent material O'Reilly does bring into his interesting rehearsal of the Greatest Story Ever Told.

39 posted on 01/29/2014 10:01:52 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

That is interesting, and I hadn’t heard that about his book, not that I’d heard much of anything about it actually. But I certainly had the impression that it was, how should I put this, basically a fictionalized account.

I once looked up the Popes in an almanac, and sure enough, they went right back to St. Peter.


40 posted on 01/29/2014 11:19:00 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Fractal Trader
A new translation reveals the contents of a jar was 'lousy' plonk intended for slaves - and sheds new light on society at the time.

The label dates from second half of the 10th Century BC and was discovered in the Ophel area of Jerusalem, south of Temple Mount+7 The label dates from second half of the 10th Century BC and was discovered in the Ophel area of Jerusalem, south of Temple Mount The word on the pitcher reads 'yayin' or wine and he believes it should read 'in the year [¿ ]M, wine, part, m[¿]' in a form of ancient Hebrew, according to professor Galil+7

The word on the pitcher reads 'yayin' or wine and he believes it should read 'in the year [¿ ]M, wine, part, m[¿]' in a form of ancient Hebrew, according to professor Galil

Someone needs to get this info to Salt Lake City!

I hear they have some kind of experience with this type of finding...

41 posted on 01/29/2014 11:25:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jocon307
But I certainly had the impression that it was, how should I put this, basically a fictionalized account.

There's a LOT of fiction in the Religious World...



42 posted on 01/29/2014 11:27:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I hear they have some kind of experience with this type of finding...

Of course; it was a BAD experience; but if we can't learn from our mistakes...



http://www.bookofabraham.com/short6.html
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

43 posted on 01/29/2014 11:33:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fractal Trader
The 10th century BC 'Ophel Inscription' was unearthed last year, and scientists were initially baffled by the bizarre language that was inscribed on the remains of a jug.

Perhaps it is written in proto-Reformed Egyptian®.

44 posted on 01/29/2014 11:34:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


45 posted on 01/29/2014 11:34:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

If my Grandmother has any say, they sure will! ... well, at least at Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners.

***
Your comment made me smile, as it reminded me that my parents often had Mogen David with Thanksgiving when I was a kid in the 1950s. The ‘rents were not wine drinkers — actually, I knew of no kid whose parents were — but, for some reason, they had wine with Thanksgiving supper.


46 posted on 01/29/2014 11:48:14 AM PST by Bigg Red (O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! Ps 8)
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To: Elsie

47 posted on 01/29/2014 12:52:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Fractal Trader

Is there anybody who doesn’t know that Kings David and Solomon are real according to the Bible? I don’t need proof!


48 posted on 01/29/2014 2:04:28 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: colorado tanker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jGpauNUaWY


49 posted on 01/29/2014 2:34:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest

you win lol


50 posted on 01/29/2014 4:28:59 PM PST by bigheadfred
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