Skip to comments.Right-Wing Thugs Are Hijacking Ukraine’s Liberal Uprising
Posted on 01/28/2014 8:46:52 PM PST by cunning_fish
The liberal, proEuropean Union protests that first rocked Kiev have taken a darker turn, with right-wing vigilante groups rising to prominence amid violence and police crackdowns
Not long before midnight on Sunday, a few dozen men in ski masks and camouflage surrounded the headquarters of the Ministry of Justice in the center of Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, and smashed out the first floor windows with baseball bats. They made short work of the bars over the windows, prying them out of the walls with their clubs, and climbed inside. It was the third federal ministry the group had seized in a week.
Calling themselves members of Spilna Sprava, or Common Cause, the group has emerged as one of about a dozen obscure organizations competing for distinction, if not outright leadership, in the uprising against President Viktor Yanukovych. These groups range from right-wing radicals and soccer hooligans to military veterans and mobs of stick-wielding goons. And to the gall of more-established opposition figures, like the world boxing champion Vitali Klitschko, they have become the revolutions most commanding presence. Anyone with a stake in resolving Ukraines political crisis including the diplomats watching fretfully from the E.U. and U.S. will likely have to reckon with the role of these groups. But they are becoming increasingly hard to control.
(Excerpt) Read more at world.time.com ...
As for the eagerness of the “liberal” Ukrainians to join the EU — the world would be a better place if the EU were to collapse tomorrow.
>> These groups range from right-wing radicals and soccer hooligans to military veterans and mobs of stick-wielding goons.
Interesting alignment. Doubtful there’s any bitchy uptalk goin’ on.
Baseball bats? One would think that baseball bats would be as commonplace in Kiev as balalaikas are in Houston.
Ever see them refer to Left Wing thugs in other nations?
These guys don’t miss a step.
Gets my vote!
....”The liberal, proEuropean Union protests that first rocked Kiev have taken a darker turn, with right-wing vigilante groups rising to prominence amid violence and police crackdowns”....
Better said ‘they are sent’ not rising. Same thing in Egypt to create chaos....and we know who loves to create chaos when victory is at hand.
The entire thing is a giant cluster****. This faction is linked with Svoboda (probably the best brawlers in parliament).
A lot more people are going to get killed if this isn’t brought under control soon.
“the world would be a better place if the EU were to collapse tomorrow.”
Them and Obama’s kakistocracy!
P.S. I knew I'd get ya for that album business!
“Right wing thugs...?”
I seem to remember that “thug” is the new “N” word!
Does that make Simon Shuster of Time “racist”? Or does that make the “right wing” the new “N’s”?
Actually, if you care to educate yourself, TIME might have actually hit the target this time. I don’t know about the Common Cause group, but the Svoboda movement, also mentioned, is an ultra nationalist group of fanatics demanding among other things that Ukraine Western borders with Poland be revised. Those, you might remember, were FDR’s and Churchill’s generous gift to Stalin at Yalta and Teheran of 1,000 year old Polish territories.
AFAIK, Russian rasist term for Ukrainians are “Banderovitz” - historically applied to these merry “right-wing” band.
Here they are, holding a picture of their "hero"
There is a good reason why a countries like that are better off under dictators, isn’t it?
I want freedom for Ukraine, I just don’t want those who celebrate murderers of Polish children as any part of their government.
Yep. Sooner or later, maybe not during our lifetime, there’ll be a war between Ukraine and Poland over Lwow (or Lviv currently), a historically Polish city, and certainly more Polish or Jewish than it’s ever been Ukrainian, which is something that sane Ukrainians readily admit. It was Stalin’s, Pete Seeger’s hero until 2007, clever plan to create a permanent point of crisis between those two countries, and FDR as well as Churchill, fools that they were, fell for it.
The problem is if the Poles get Lwow, then you’ll get the Germans asking for Stettin, Posen and Danzig back.
Ukrainian nationalist. Allied himself with Germany in an attempt to free the Ukraine from the Soviets.
Murdered by the KGB in 1961.
But what’s with the three fingers? Is it Third Down?
The legislation, which has already been described as undemocratic by many Western politicians and international organizations, was passed by parliament on Thursday.
...The legislation approved by Yanukovych also envision up to a year of hard labor in prison for anyone convicted of libel, including on the Internet.
The Germans are not only already asking for those territories, but buying them back, piece by little piece.
The only people he hated more than Russians were Poles and Jews.
Doesn’t the western third of post WWII Poland contain a lot of German provinces?
But these are groups aggressively emerging out of closet the moment their governments are getting a bit softer. A lot in common with the Middle East. It is a primary reason why I was suspicious about Ukrainian spring in the first place. I was pointing at this here early during Arab spring too, just to be condemned by certain FReepers. It seems like most of them has changed their minds now.
They’ve gone back and forth over the centuries, but they were part of Piast Poland back in the 900s and Poles founded most of the towns, the German names for the cities were actually Germanized names of the original Polish ones.
Be fair, many of them are the typical football hooligans you find in that part of the world. Poland has a bad problem with them as well, especially between the two main Krakow teams, really nasty bunch of stuff. They go around wearing swastikas (how could any Pole wear a Swastika is beyond me).
Football hooligans aren’t participating in unrests if there are no one to brainwash them into it. Their average IQ is too low to have any mature thought on political matters.
A lot more common with the Balkans. The Ukrainians have been for centuries dominated by Russia and/or Poland, never in modern times independent. That’s why they, like the Baltics, allied themselves with Germany during WWII, hoping to gain independence. If Pete Seeger could ally himself with the butcher of millions Stalin and end up a hero to millions, then why not the Ukrainians alligning themselves with Hitler BEFORE he became a butcher?! Get an ounce of historical perspective!
Petie didn’t renounce his hero Stalin until 2007.
A lot of parallels with Croatia, which had the dreaded Ustashe.
>>>A lot more common with the Balkans. The Ukrainians have been for centuries dominated by Russia and/or Poland, never in modern times independent. Thats why they, like the Baltics, allied themselves with Germany during WWII, hoping to gain independence. If Pete Seeger could ally himself with the butcher of millions Stalin and end up a hero to millions, then why not the Ukrainians alligning themselves with Hitler BEFORE he became a butcher?! Get an ounce of historical perspective!<<<
To be honest, Ukraine was never a real nation.
It was Soviets who engineered their national identity for the first time, it was Ukrainian nationalists abroad who has shaped it, and different Ukrainian government agencies are continuing up to this day. Pretty much similar to “Afro-American studies” in US.
Exactly. The foolishness of Bandera was going independent and nationalistic instead of aligning himself and his movement with the Polish resistance against the Soviets. That might have brought some positive results. What it brought was a half century of Stalinism to both countries.
I’ll have to disagree. A unique language and culture define a nation. Ukrainian is not the same as Ebonics.
>>>>Yep. Sooner or later, maybe not during our lifetime, therell be a war between Ukraine and Poland over Lwow (or Lviv currently), a historically Polish city, and certainly more Polish or Jewish than its ever been Ukrainian, which is something that sane Ukrainians readily admit. It was Stalins, Pete Seegers hero until 2007, clever plan to create a permanent point of crisis between those two countries, and FDR as well as Churchill, fools that they were, fell for it.<<<<<
BTW, Lwiw is a single place in Western Ukraine of any value. I mean it pays more (thus slightly more) taxes than consumes via federal social and development programs. The rest of the West are really leeching the Eastern part of the country. Some states are getting as much as $15 in federal subsidies per every $1 collected in taxes there.
>>>Ill have to disagree. A unique language and culture define a nation. Ukrainian is not the same as Ebonics.<<<
Indeed, language and culture doesn’t make a nation-state.
Lviv: The European cultural capital you’ve never heard of
>>Exactly. The foolishness of Bandera was going independent and nationalistic instead of aligning himself and his movement with the Polish resistance against the Soviets. That might have brought some positive results. What it brought was a half century of Stalinism to both countries.<<
You need to understand a soccer hooligan mentality of Bandera goons dfwgator was talking about.
They hardly ably to ally each over and it is a hate towards any other groups that holds them together. “Russians are rough are holding as down”, “Polish are arrogant and taking advantage of us”, “Jooose are getting rich stealing from us and drinking blood of our babies”, “Germans are overall a nice guys, but unfortunately only has a use for us as fertilizer” etc.
What CNN reports as the Habsburgs must mean the 19th century period when the state of Poland did not exist (until 1918) and Lwow was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and a decidedly Polish city and cultural center.
To quote Hunter S. Thompson, “bad craziness!”
You are incorrect. Ukraine was a nation under Prince Yaroslave the wise who was hetman of the Kievan Rus. Ukraine was Christianized well before Russia and maintained strong ties with Byzantium. The Tartar invasion turned things upside down and as they were driven out Ukraine came under control of Russia
Do not believe the propaganda and lies being foisted upon the public by Yanukovichs government and government-controlled media in the Ukraine and Russia and even by some her on FR. The Ukrainian protestors are not terrorists, Right Wing fascists, rebels, fanatics or hooligans. They are just people like us who want to remain free and who are willing to take a stand to remain so:
People of Ukraine ask the world for support.
This is the Ukrainian response to all of the Media that broadcast false news about activists of EuroMaydan, especially Russian News Agencies that lie constantly about EuroMaydan and the people of the Ukrainian Revolution. Anna Fox
Это Украинский ответ на все СМИ, которые распространяют ложную информацию про активистов ЕвроМайдана, и Украинскую Революцию 2013-2014. Особенно упорно этим занимаются Российские СМИ, которые постоянно лгут своим зрителям и читателям. автор тексту: Anna Fox
Люди Майдана / People of #Euromaidan
This is why people throughout the Ukraine are protesting:
Why Are the Anti-Protest Happening in Ukraine?
January 28, 2014
I hope the following will in some small way help answer your question as to "why this is happening", because the very future and freedom of the Ukraine, and its people for generations to come is at stake.
The events which started the protest rally are concisely stated in the Kiev Post: Editor's Note: Anti-government EuroMaidan demonstrations began in Ukraine on Nov. 21, 2013 triggered by President Viktor Yanukovichs decision to abandon closer ties with the European Union in favor of Russia, which in December offered him a $15 billion bailout and 33 percent discount on imported natural gas.
(Translation: Simply put; Yanukovich totally reneged on the Ukrainian governments long-standing promise to its people [going back to the fall of Communism in the country] of freedom and closer ties with the West, and then Yanukovich promptly turned around and sold the country of the Ukraine to Putin for a paltry 15 Billion dollars and the promise of cheap gas; once again subjugating the people of Ukraine under the boot of Russia and turning the Ukraine into a quasi puppet state of Russia. Putin, with the help of the twice convicted felon/Russian mafia boss Yanukovich want to turn the Ukraine into another Belarus [one giant prison, like North Korea] with the people reduced to servitude and Yanukovich and his successive democratically elected cronies set up as puppet dictators for life, under the watchful control of Putins Russia. The Ukrainian people realized Yanukovichs actions and sweat heart deal has made this goal a reality and immediately began peacefully protesting against the régime.)
The demonstrations turned deadly on Jan. 22, 2014 when at least three protesters were killed, including two from bullet wounds, during a police assault on the crowd. More than 300 suffered injuries. The tense standoff remains on Hrushevskoho Street near Dynamo Stadium.
The reason why Yanukovich totally reneged on the Ukrainian governments long-standing promise to its people [going back to the fall of Communism in the country] of freedom and closer ties with the West, and then Yanukovich promptly turned around and sold the country of the Ukraine to Putin for a paltry 15 Billion dollars and the promise of cheap gas: YANUKOVICHS MASSIVE CORRUPTION WITH TIES TO RUSSIA ON AN UNPRECIDENTED SCALE:
Yanukovych's "family business" links him to Russia
Yanukovych, the luxury residence and the money trail that leads to London
*For further insight, the following video link entitled Ukraine: State of Chaos, also provides an excellent overview of the historical and political dynamics that have brought the Ukraine to the position it now finds itself in.
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have been peacefully protesting in order to reverse Yanukovichs rejection of closer ties with the West and against his gas deal with Putin continually since November 21, 2013 because they want to remain free and do not want to again become a Russian satellite state.
High Resolution 360 picture of the freedom rally that has been taking place in Kievs Independence Square in the heart of the city since November 21st 2013:
The protesters have remained steadfast in their resolve and peaceful demands and the movement has continued to grow. In an attempt to utterly stamp out the protest Yanukovich, and his party in Congress came up with a diabolically simple, Soviet-era plan: they passed a draconian set of laws declaring ALL PROTEST, OF ANY KIND, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ILLEGAL!
These sweeping new laws were illegally and unconstitutionally pushed through the Rada (the Ukrainian Congress) on January 16, 2014; they were signed by President Yanukovich into law and took full effect beginning on January 21, 2014. These sweeping new laws prohibit the ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UKRAINE from participating in ANY public gatherings, protests, public meetings or demonstrations of any kind. The law also prohibits ANY SIGNS, OR MESSAGES which criticize the government or President Yanukovich in any way under penalty of law. Heavy monetary fines and prison sentences are automatically meted out against any and all who are found guilty.
For details on this Soviet-style set of laws see:
Also included within this same perverse "law" was another provision making it ILLEGAL for journalists to investigate and report on ANY Ukrainian politician for ANY REASON WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING THE POLITICIANS WRITTEN PERMISSION!
Given the overwhelming amount of confirmed, ongoing corruption that exists within numerous government circles, this "legal" proviso was specifically designed to prevent any discovery and disclosure of wrongdoing, and in turn criminalizes journalists for doing their job!
*It should again be noted that prior to these laws being passed; hundreds, upon hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in Kiev and throughout the country had been peacefully protesting on an ongoing basis, without violence for TWO MONTHS since November 21, 2013!
As a direct result of these Stalinist tactics, the anti-protest ban have had the exact opposite effect and have reenergized the protest movement. Ukrainians have been defying the ban by hundreds of thousands since it was passed. Over 100,000 protestors packed Independence Square on January 19th alone, and numbers have been growing.
The protests have also increasingly spread throughout the entire country. This news article is dated January 26, 2014:
When Yanukovichs Soviet-style laws failed to shut the Ukrainian people up, or end the peaceful demonstrations, he turned to violence by having his Riot Police brutally attack and kill Ukrainians who had continued to peacefully demonstrate against his oppressive government.
It has been learned and widely reported that many of these so-called Ukrainian "Riot police" are in point of fact not Ukrainians at all, but Russians who have been shipped into the country by Putin's government, with the support and cooperation of Ukrainian President Yanukovich, for the express purpose of keeping Mr. Yanukovich in power at all costs. Think of them as his personal Praetorian Guard
Bloodlands State-sanctioned murder on the streets of Kiev
By George Weigel January 22, 2014 7:00 PM
Yanukovich and his government has also been hiring, and training paid street thugs to brutalize the peaceful protestors:
Titushky troops have become true financial pyramids (with subtitles) *Undercover video journalism story proving Yanukovich régime hiring, paying and equipping/training street thugs to beat and terrorize peaceful protestors. Video report is in Ukrainian but it is easy to understand what is being reported: Hire thugs, pay thugs, train and equip thugs, unleash the thugs on the peaceful protestors to intimidate, beat, terrorize and arrest peaceful demonstrators who are then prosecuted and sentenced in Ukrainian kangaroo courts. *Warning, graphic violence
This article will tell you what you need to know about the police throughout the Ukraine:
This is some of what Yanukovichs "Riot Police" have been up to since his government recently forced through an illegal and unconstitutional law banning ALL public protest on the pains of heavily punitive monetary dollar fines and prison sentences:
The protests only turned violent after two whole months when the protestors were ALL CRIMINALIZED by the Yanukovich government en-mass and attacked by his Riot Police.
After the anti-protest laws took effect, the thousands upon thousands of people peacefully demonstrating in downtown Kiev, and in Independence Square all received a text message sent by Yanukovichs government on their cell phones at the same time informing each recipient that the government knew who they were and that they were participating in an illegal protest!
The enclosed YouTube news story link provides an overview of what took place on January 25 - 26th 2014 in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. It should be noted that the Ukrainian Cultural building was taken over by protestors because it had previously been commandeered and controlled by "Riot Police" who were using it as a staging base against the demonstrators.
Again, please do not believe the propaganda and lies being foisted upon the public by Yanukovichs government and government-controlled media in the Ukraine and Russia. The Ukrainian protestors are not terrorists, Right Wing fascists, rebels, fanatics or hooligans. They are just people like us who want to remain free and who are willing to take a stand to remain so.
I recently received the enclosed first-hand reports sent from Christians within the Ukraine on January 2_, 2014 and felt compelled to post them because of the gravity of their contents and because they are an example of why millions of people throughout the Ukraine have been protesting their government continually since November 21, 2013. Please note, I corrected English (in parentheses) where necessary, removed the individuals name and contact information for their security and safety.
Update from Ukraine Scary, Please read and pray. Signed: _ _ _ _ _ _ ps I did not correct _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _'s letter.
Hello dear brothers and sisters.
I am writing from Ukraine, Kiev. It is crazy. A lot of people have been killed. A lot of provocation (provocation) is happening. One guy from my church was stolen (abducted). He was walking home, and two seconds later when he came out from bus, he was stolen (kidnapped) and taken to another bus, put on face and bited up (punched in the face and beaten up). Two hours later they brought him to some forest outside of Kiev and tried (tried) to brake (break) his arms, then took all (of) his close (clothes), and squised (squeezed/crushed) his testicals (testicles). After bitted (beating) him up they relesed (released) him to walk to Kiev alone at 3 am, when it was - 20 C. He walked home long time. And could die.
(*Friends in Christ, please pray for this brothers life and recovery.)
Another men (man) from my church was driving home, and sudenly (suddenly) a black wan (van) without (license) plates stoped (stopped) him, and 8 people came out and hitted (bludgeoned) his car (probably with bats, batons, rods or other items). But by God grace they only talked to him and did not bitted (beat) him up.
Our Goverment (Government) has sighned (signed) lowes (*laws) that limites (limits) all of us in getherings (gatherings). In Crymea (*Crimea) (Black See rigion [region]) deputats (deputies/political leaders) has (have) made a low (law) that only Moscow (Russian) Orthodox Church is legal (all) other(s) are (illegal and) under persecution. There are a lot of Baptist, Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches.
So we are scarry (scared). We need your prayers.
Please send this massege (message) to other Christian brothers and sisters to keep us and Ukraine in your prayers.
The following excerpt on resisting tyranny found in The Gulag Archipelago best explains why the people of the Ukraine are taking action to defend themselves from their own government:
"During an arrest, you think since you are not guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, youll only make your situation worse; you will make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family?
Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalins thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We did not love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself."
The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Some will say Wait a minute, what about all of those Ukrainians who are supporting Yanukovich and closer ties with Russia? Some historical background on the Crimea and the region supporting Yanukovich will help answer that question:
Once Soviet Russia conquered and subjugated the Ukraine, the former Soviet Union under Stalin depopulated the Crimean region by killing millions via Communist pogroms, the Holodomor [the intentional, systematic starvation of the entire population of the Ukraine, by direct order of Stalin beginning in 1932. The Holodomor ultimately resulted in the starvation death of between 7 and 9 million Ukrainians], and by sending multitudes of other Crimean survivors to the Gulags throughout Russian and Siberia, where the overwhelming majority eventually died.
After WWII and the death of Stalin, a massive relocation program was initiated throughout the Crimea by Nikita Khrushchev
(Alexander the Great wanted the Crimea, the Russian tsars wanted it, Napoleon wanted it, Great Brittan wanted it, Stalin wanted it, Hitler wanted it, and by the end of WWII Stalin got the Crimea back again. Why does everyone want the Crimea? First, because of its strategic Naval location on the Black Sea and secondly, because it is a great place to take a vacation, the place is beautiful!).
Multitudes of the indigenous Crimean population that survived all of the above atrocities (including the invasion and occupation of the Crimea by Nazi Germany, and Stalins persecution and pogroms against the region after WWII) were forcibly removed from their land and relocated deep within Eastern Russia/Siberia. In turn, Khrushchev shipped in multitudes of Russian Communists in order to repopulate the area with native speaking Russians and consolidate Soviet Russias holdings in the Crimea.
Subsequently, over time a massive, pro-Moscow, pro-[Soviet]-Russian population sprung up with little to no ties with the Ukraine: to this day they consider themselves Russians at heart, they speak Russian instead of Ukrainian and the region sets its clocks to Moscow time. The Russian Orthodox Church, historically notorious for its persecution of the evangelical church, is strong throughout this region of the Ukraine and also has strong ties with Moscow. This helps explain the Russian Orthodox Churchs recent carte blanche exemption from the new anti-religion laws which have recently been implemented throughout the region by deputies/politicians loyal to Yanukovich which make ALL churches and denominations, other than the Russian Orthodox Church, illegal and subject to punitive anti-religion laws: fines, prison sentences, etc.
Finally, It should also be noted that the Russian Mafia is very influential throughout this area of the country and this Russian-speaking region of the Ukraine was directly responsible for the success of Yanukovichs presidential election victory. By in large these are the Ukrainians who are supporting Yanukovich and closer ties with Russia. However, this should come as no surprise given the fact that Yanukovich, the twice-convicted felon and Russian mafia boss, comes from, and ruthlessly ruled in this region of the Ukraine. He has also richly rewarded his people in this region for their support since he has taken and consolidated power as president. So it should come as no surprise that they have taken his side in the matter because there is a lot of $ at stake if he is removed from office.
As they say follow the money, that is unless you are a Ukrainian journalist. Because it is now against the law and YOU are the criminal if you follow the money without first obtaining their written permission to do so! Just like in the good old - bad old days under Soviet Russia.
You can get updates on what is taking place in the Ukraine in English on Twitter at: Euromaidan PM Facebook at: Euromaidanpr
And a Live video feed that has been running 24/7 since November 21, 2013 here:
January 28, 2014 UPDATE: Ukrainian Parliament Repeals Anti-protest Laws
How protest and violence in Ukraine could give way to unity
*Russia/Putin once again holding the country of Ukraine hostage by threatening to withhold Ukraines gas supply:
Putin Agrees to Pause on Ukraine Rescue as Medvedev Warns on Gas
By Anton Doroshev Jan 29, 2014 9:34 AM ET
Various Ukrainian language online news stations reporting what is taking place in Ukraine:
Online information and donation link: Support Euromaidan activists without leaving home
Ukranians aren't generally regarded as stupid. Why would they want to ally with Europe and end up with German banks controlling their resources and economy?
there are are about 2 Poles left in Lviv that would welcome that. Who do you think you'll be "liberating"? IF Poland gets it back, what then? Deport the entire population? Sounds like a very enlightened idea.
The three fingers is a reference to tryzub/trident, Ukrainian emblem
What happened when the Soviets got it “back”? Deported the entire population while the Allies looked on? Sounds like a very enlightened idea.
Do you see me endorsing the idea?
But I do wonder, how you envision Lviv was to function? It was a Polish city in the middle of Ukrainian countryside.
When Poles were deported from Ukraine, Ukrainians were deported from Poland (operation Visla) It’s unfortunate the two couldn’t live side by side, but since the end of WW2 the relations between Poles and Ukrainian have been at their friendliest in all of history. FYI, Russians are loving this bickering