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States eye return to firing squads, electric chairs
NY Post ^ | January 28, 2014

Posted on 01/29/2014 2:56:36 AM PST by Libloather

Edited on 01/29/2014 2:59:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

ST. LOUIS With lethal-injection drugs in short supply and new questions looming about their effectiveness, lawmakers in some death penalty states are considering bringing back relics of a more gruesome past: firing squads, electrocutions and gas chambers.

Most states abandoned those execution methods more than a generation ago in a bid to make capital punishment more palatable to the public and to a judicial system worried about inflicting cruel and unusual punishments that violate the Constitution.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: chairs; electric; firing; squads
Just do it.
1 posted on 01/29/2014 2:56:36 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Just make sure they are dead. -— Cover their mouth with a pillow while they are sleeping.


2 posted on 01/29/2014 3:01:49 AM PST by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is now on twitter @RealSMG)
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To: Libloather

As much as I distrust the state to put people to death, I also realize we have a lot of vermin who need to be exterminated.


3 posted on 01/29/2014 3:03:11 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Libloather

Sounds good to me. I’ve always been partial to the guillotine.


4 posted on 01/29/2014 3:05:43 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Libloather

Use .45’s 230 grn, JHP and share 20 gauge loaded with sabots

Be dead right there and then.

You ain’t survivng those loads.


5 posted on 01/29/2014 3:08:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SMGFan

looking at our current national trajectory, I am forced to reconsider my previous position on the death penalty.


6 posted on 01/29/2014 3:23:11 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

I am in favor of the death penalty in certain cases, as long as we are 100% certain we execute the correct person. When it is demonstrated that we executed someone who did not commit the crime, I will be completely opposed to the death penalty ever again being used.


7 posted on 01/29/2014 3:31:52 AM PST by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Libloather

I’m ok with a giant cement bowl and a very large cement ball pushed in at a very high rate of speed


8 posted on 01/29/2014 3:40:57 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Libloather

Firing squad- members to be decided by lottery, at $1 a ticket.Proceeds to pay squad’s travel expenses, excess goes to the victim’s family or charity of their choice. Cost to the state- nothing.


9 posted on 01/29/2014 3:42:45 AM PST by TexasBarak (I aim to misbehave!)
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To: 22202NOVA

With DNA testing foolproof you have almost a 100% chance of getting it right where blood or skin samples have been retrieved from a perp.

Of course not all cases involve perp DNA. And many cases there are no witnesses.

It’s a crap shoot. But fast execution (a year at most...not decades) is need at this time to make execution a deterant.


10 posted on 01/29/2014 3:44:50 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Libloather
Having seen a video of an electrocution probably taken in the 40's, with smoking coming out the guy's ears and all that, I think firing squad would actually be cleaner and more humane.

This is the way they used to do it here. Note the condemned has his back facing the executioner.

Uniquely, Thailand used a single executioner with one stand mounted machine gun per prisoner, to put murderers and drug traffickers to death.

Over 500 people were shot in Thailand between 1937, when shooting replaced beheading and October 2003, when Thailand moved to lethal injection as its sole method of execution.

All those sentenced to death there were held at Bang Kwang maximum security prison, about 20 miles outside Bangkok. The virtually soundproof execution chamber, known as the "Place to Relieve Suffering," contained two wooden crosses and two stand mounted Heckler & Koch 9mm machine guns.

Prisoners were confined in heavy leg irons from the time of sentence to the time of execution, which could be anything from a few weeks to a few years and were told of their fate only hours before they were shot.

On the day of execution, the prisoner was taken from their cell, photographed and fingerprinted. They were then taken to the execution chamber and handcuffed to a cross like wooden frame with their back to the machine gun, four meters behind them. A white cloth blindfold is applied and the hands tied with a sacred Buddhist cord. Flowers are hung from the prisoner’s hands as an offering to Buddha and a canvas screen is pulled between the condemned and the gun. A target is fixed onto the screen level with the prisoner’s heart and the gun aimed at the centre of the target. The executioner takes up his position, watching another member of the execution team who raises a red flag, and on the signal from the prison governor, the flag is dropped and the executioner fires a fully automatic burst of 15 rounds into the victim’s heart.

11 posted on 01/29/2014 3:47:24 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Libloather

sounds like just the thing to use on criminal politicians


12 posted on 01/29/2014 3:50:24 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Vaquero

I am absolutely for the death penalty, when there is physical evidence tying the suspect to the crime.

Without physical evidence, however, we can have a case like that of Tim Masters, who was falsely imprisoned after a kangaroo trial where the prosecutors used weak circumstantial evidence to fabricate a case against him. No murder weapon was found, no blood was found anywhere on his clothes or in his house, there was nothing to tie him to the crime at all. He was imprisoned for 10 years. He has since sued for wrongful imprisonment and received $10 million for it. It’s a shame the taxpayers have to foot the bill for that—as much as possible of that should be taken from the prosecutors who railroaded him.


13 posted on 01/29/2014 3:56:08 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Libloather

Electric chairs are green.


14 posted on 01/29/2014 4:07:02 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Libloather

Why don’t they look at a different alternative; inert gas asphyxiation.

“After a number of accidents in which humans suffocated in nitrogen without any warning, the suggestion was made in 1995 that hypoxic atmospheres be used for the humane killing of humans.

Execution by nitrogen asphyxiation was discussed briefly in print as a theoretical method of capital punishment in a National Review article, “Killing with kindness – capital punishment by nitrogen asphyxiation”.

In a televised documentary in 2007, the British political commentator (and former Member of Parliament) Michael Portillo examined execution techniques in use around the world and found them unsatisfactory; his conclusion was that nitrogen asphyxiation would be the best method.

Nitrogen asphyxiation is not currently used by any government as an execution method.”

It’s worth a look, I’d say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation#Capital_punishment


15 posted on 01/29/2014 4:26:09 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Libloather

Complexity should be eliminated.

Hanging is cheap and very effective.

I tried to ask Saddam Hussein but he is very dead.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=saddam%20hussein%20hanging&FORM=BVLH1#view=detail&mid=620987BC43D2C9290B99620987BC43D2C9290B99


16 posted on 01/29/2014 4:32:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Libloather

Public hanging from the village square! The scum will get the message.


17 posted on 01/29/2014 4:34:52 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: Libloather
Just do it.

"Let's do it."

Last words of Gary Gilmore, January 17, 1977, executed by firing squad, Draper, Utah.

18 posted on 01/29/2014 4:56:48 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Helium asphyxiation would lead to much funnier last words.


19 posted on 01/29/2014 4:58:56 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: Libloather
From the article:

"Wyoming has only one inmate on death row, 68-year-old convicted killer Dale Wayne Eaton."

Yep. It's that whole middle-name-Wayne thing again.

20 posted on 01/29/2014 5:04:09 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Libloather

It’s a heck of a lot quicker and cheaper.


21 posted on 01/29/2014 5:18:58 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: Libloather

What’s wrong with the drugs that the vet uses to put Fido down?
If the drug is humane enough for an animal, then it should be fine for death row scum.


22 posted on 01/29/2014 5:30:28 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

An electric chair is probably a good thing, but with
Coal plants going off line, it should probably be a
hybred, with a small combustion engine to start it
with.


23 posted on 01/29/2014 5:36:11 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Vendome

the 5 bolt action 30-06 rifles(one with blanks)that shot Garry Gilmore in Utah in the 1970s, is thankfully, overkill.
lets bring back the high powered rifle firing squad.


24 posted on 01/29/2014 5:43:02 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Libloather
Make it a community event.

All you need is a horse, a tree, and a rope.


25 posted on 01/29/2014 5:46:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

That’s twistedly funny.


26 posted on 01/29/2014 5:46:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 22202NOVA

OK, so they did not commit the crime. That’s ok. But what if they had a mile long rap sheet and society would be better off without them around? I’d feel guilty about it for 10 minutes.


27 posted on 01/29/2014 5:53:00 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Libloather

Crimes throughout the entire U.S. and U.S. territories will, greatly, increase after the next round of amnesty for illegal immigrants happens.


28 posted on 01/29/2014 6:14:31 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: Libloather

Getting ready for a big surge in customers when prosecutions begin for Obama, Holder and their entire crew?


29 posted on 01/29/2014 6:20:54 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: 22202NOVA
You have just stated the whole death penalty conumdrum: How to prevent the death of an innocent man.

Too many confounding variables.

30 posted on 01/29/2014 6:29:59 AM PST by doberville
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To: Libloather

What is really needed is for a conservative to be chairmen of the Senate and House judiciary committees, and to declare states to be “competent authorities” in carrying out executions, so the methods used are no longer open to federal judicial oversight.

This is part of a larger judicial reform on the subject of the death penalty, which includes:

1) Moving all death penalty appeals to the head of the federal docket of the judge hearing them.

2) That delays in appellate hearings be limited to one month each for the defense, prosecution, and at the discretion of the judge.

3) That unless evidence exonerates the defendant, or court officers in the criminal trial have engaged in criminal misconduct, the federal judge cannot overturn a sentence, or return it to the trial court with instructions to overturn. Instead if he finds in favor of the defendant, the case should be returned to the trial court for reconsideration, without recommendation. If the trial court affirms the sentence, then the issue is closed.

4) The intention is that from the date of sentencing, the most delay any convict should experience before execution is five years, instead of decades.


31 posted on 01/29/2014 6:32:17 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Libloather

Nitrogen Asphyxiation - Strap the condemned to a chair, supply 99% Nitrogen gas at 1.1 atmospheres through a breathing mask and a brain monitor. Pump the nitrogen until the brain waves go flat. The condemned goes to sleep and due to the lack of oxygen, dies within 5 to 10 min.

It’s cheap, all natural (our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen already), non-toxic (unlike some gas chamber mixes), painless, no mess to clean up, no chance of failure and no more shortage of drugs.


32 posted on 01/29/2014 6:35:11 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

“Nitrogen Asphyxiation - Strap the condemned to a chair, supply 99% Nitrogen gas at 1.1 atmospheres through a breathing mask and a brain monitor. Pump the nitrogen until the brain waves go flat. The condemned goes to sleep and due to the lack of oxygen, dies within 5 to 10 min.

It’s cheap, all natural (our atmosphere is 78% nitrogen already), non-toxic (unlike some gas chamber mixes), painless, no mess to clean up, no chance of failure and no more shortage of drugs.”
_________________________________________

Exactly. I’m surprised virtually no one is considering it. It’s not like nitrogen is some or rare or exotic substance, after all; it’s also quick, efficient, no medical skill is required, and it’s foolproof.


33 posted on 01/29/2014 7:35:42 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Libloather

***states are considering bringing back relics of a more gruesome past:****

Gruesome? Burning at the stake, the garrote, drawing and quartering, throwing convicts to wild beasts, impaling, crucifixion, skinning alive...THESE are gruesome!

Firing squads, “OLD Sparky” and hanging are not.

As a vet told our horseshoeing class years ago, when he put down a horse. “Always use a needle. It simply looks nicer.”


34 posted on 01/29/2014 8:20:00 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: doberville

If you wrongly convict someone and put him in prison, you can always compensate him for the time served/lost. Once you execute him, he’s dead forever. I am less certain of the 100% certainty now than I used to be.

I knew a guy years ago when we were in the Army. He got out (less than favorably) and a few years later he and another guy killed three people in a bank robbery. They got less than $2500. The guy pleaded guilty and dared the judge to sentence him to death. The judge did, and the guy played tough for about 12 years, until his death warrant actually got signed. Then he raised all kinds of havoc with the system, and finally agreed to plead guilty in exchange for not receiving the death penalty. He should have been executed years ago but still draws breath.


35 posted on 01/29/2014 8:36:07 AM PST by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: 22202NOVA

In the event of wrongful execution, the damages can be paid to the estate.


36 posted on 01/29/2014 8:42:47 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 3:43:13 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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