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China Is Playing 'Chicken' With US Warships In The South China Sea
BI/Global Post ^ | 1-30-2014 | Benjamin Carson

Posted on 01/30/2014 5:18:41 AM PST by blam

China Is Playing 'Chicken' With US Warships In The South China Sea

GlobalPost
Benjamin Carlson, GlobalPost
Jan. 30, 2014, 7:51 AM

HONG KONG — As anyone who has seen “Rebel Without a Cause” knows, playing chicken is dangerous for California teenagers in hot-rods.

But playing chicken with warships, cruisers, and fighter jets — well, that’s just another level of crazy.

Unfortunately, vessels from the US military and from other countries increasingly find themselves in such high-stakes confrontations on the East Asian seas, where China has adopted a strategy of making rivals flinch or risk collision.

Just this week, Chinese sailors parked three ships on a disputed reef 50 miles from the Malaysian coast and performed a ceremony in which they swore an oath “to safeguard [China’s] sovereignty and territorial interests.” Malaysia also claims the reef, and is building a naval base nearby to protect it against China’s claim.

That’s just the latest in an escalating series of incidents.

In November, China declared its right to patrol and regulate a large swath of airspace, including a zone controlled by Japan and areas regularly used by the US military. Since then, China says it has repeatedly dispatched surveillance planes to tail, monitor, and identify foreign fighters.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; china; chinamilitary; chinanavy; militantchina; military; southchinasea; us; uswarships; warships

1 posted on 01/30/2014 5:18:41 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Saw a old video of a Russian ship bumping a US ship back in the 80s.
That must have been intense.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 5:21:45 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: blam

The irony of course is that the Chinese military was built using American money.


3 posted on 01/30/2014 5:25:26 AM PST by IronJack
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To: blam

Reactivate the Iowa class battleships and send them over there. If a collision occurs - guess who loses!


4 posted on 01/30/2014 5:37:13 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Yorlik803

Yeah, in 81 or 2 we were underway refueling with the Enterprise or Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Okhotsk. The Soviet ship - think a destroyer - steamed up and almost under the fuel hose stretched between the ships - then back off and turned away. Happened often and was fun. Just something to break up the monotany of life “haze grey and underway”

USS Henry B Wilson (DDG -7)
US Third Fleet, US Surface Forces Pacific 1979-84


5 posted on 01/30/2014 5:41:31 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: atc23

In the early 70’s we always refueled at night when underway.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 5:45:21 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: meatloaf

Damn. It was hard enough during the daytime.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 5:48:24 AM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: IronJack

And this time, China could win.

There is no will to confront any military challenge anywhere on the planet any more. The US military has been eviscerated and left bleeding by the lack of support in many crucial areas, and by the overuse of a valiant few in futile battles which are immediately traded away even when a clear victory had been achieved. In an effort to be “conciliatory” with an amorphous and often elusive enemy, that fades into the civilian population, and later strikes out in widespread asymmetrical warfare, the policy has been retreat and withdrawal.

Perhaps the business of policing the world SHOULD be turned over to China, even to the point of providing them with much of the recent developments of technology and some of the hardware to do the job.

But we would soon find ourselves bottled up in our own ports.

We have become Sweden.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 5:49:57 AM PST by alloysteel (Obamacare - Death and Taxes now available online. One-stop shopping at its best!)
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To: alloysteel
Perhaps the business of policing the world SHOULD be turned over to China...

They wouldn't do it - China is wiser than the USA in that regard, and only acts in its own national interest. Just try getting a Chinese force to go to, say, Syria for occupation duty. The UN would have to pay them in gold and cede them a couple of provinces. :)

9 posted on 01/30/2014 5:56:15 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: atc23
Yeah, in 81 or 2 we were underway refueling with the Enterprise or Kitty Hawk in the Sea of Okhotsk. The Soviet ship - think a destroyer - steamed up and almost under the fuel hose stretched between the ships - then back off and turned away. Happened often and was fun. Just something to break up the monotany of life “haze grey and underway”

Haze grey and underway? My "war" was the Cuban missile crisis; my ship (an AR) was tasked with evacuating military dependents and civvy contractors from GTMO. Funny thing, though- the EM club was open and the liberty section was cut loose for a few hours!

10 posted on 01/30/2014 5:56:52 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: blam
China is making a lot of enemies, which might be its undoing.

Had China taken a non-aggressive leadership role in SE Asia, it might have gotten many countries such as Indonesia and the Philippines into its orbit. By nakedly seeking territorial expansion on all fronts, the Chinese are playing a risky game. Instead of scattering their opponents, the Chinese may unite them. For allies, the Chinese have Myanmar, North Korea, and Pakistan, which are more liability than help in most situations.

Should India, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, and Malaysia form a concerted alliance, China will have a serious tactical problem. Granted there are issues with that happening, but China is greasing the skids.

China's Achilles heal is petroleum. It must import most of it, and mainly from the middle east. That means long shipment routes (LOC) that China does not and cannot control. Chinese aircraft carriers are not being built for the South China Sea, they are being built for the Indian Ocean. Keep your eyes on the Andaman, Nicobar, and Coco Islands. The Chinese are going to have to control those.

Of course, fracking could solve China's petroleum problem, as they have enormous shale reserves.

11 posted on 01/30/2014 5:57:17 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: alloysteel

I agree with your observation.

Far too much “American” manufacturing has been sold out, and now is in China.

Making China richer, and making America poorer.

Bring back American manufacturing. Now.


12 posted on 01/30/2014 5:58:37 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: meatloaf
You haven't lived until you've dropped the load to one screw while refueling and the ship decides to turn into a big old supply ship or carrier - especially a carrier - you look up and see the flight deck looming above you, getting closer and closer - then the collision alarm goes off - whoopsy

these media types and their "playing chicken" stories . . I say BFD, we, while deployed to Asia would regularly have Soviet MIGs practice their dive bombing runs on us. You'll be out on deck and you don't even see them, I suppose because theyre doing about a Mach 2 - straight down at us - then . . . a huge roar of engine noise but nothing to see except a disappearing dot over the horizon. I'm sure Combat Information Control had them for miles and miles but we sure didn't "see" them. So much fun for a young guy - highly recommended.

13 posted on 01/30/2014 6:05:21 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: JimRed; meatloaf
They've got girls on US support and combat ships now . . . can you even imagine that?
14 posted on 01/30/2014 6:15:56 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: blam

shepherds chapel with Pastor Arnold Murray on current Events 2014 noted in reference to the end times Armies being formed even now— “Sadly we armed most of them— ‘Then he reminded us that when we left Iraq under Obama we left a lot of our arms behind-to be used against us no doubt.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 6:31:44 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: alloysteel
We have become Sweden.

If we were to maintain the Swedish policy of neutrality through marksmanship, I might not object so much.

16 posted on 01/30/2014 6:35:59 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: atc23

I was on a DDG in the 70’s. Those have all been decommissioned. There was no room for separate facilities. Except for officers and chiefs we had one head aft. Berthing compartments were packed.


17 posted on 01/30/2014 6:36:10 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: blam

A war serves the interests of both parties. China knows that the monkey man is weak and cares little about foreign policy and defending US interests. The monkey man can always use a war as a diversion and as a way to rally the dumbed down public against a foreign threat. A war also allows the dictator to further consolidate power.
Unlike Syria, the public would likely view China as an existential threat, and the jingoism could work to the dictator’s advantage.
What we could see is a scenario of sabre rattling. The regime could pretend to act tough while giving away key concessions to the Chinese. Meanwhile, the run-up to a possible war would justify more police state actions, currency controls and executive power. Then, when war is suddenly averted, the media would hail the dictator as the resurrected savior, just in time for the 2016 elections.


18 posted on 01/30/2014 6:36:58 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: SampleMan
Is The US-China Rivalry More Dangerous Than The Cold War?

"The prominent realist international relations scholar John Mearsheimer says there is a greater possibility of the U.S. and China going to war in the future than there was of a Soviet-NATO general war during the Cold War."

19 posted on 01/30/2014 6:38:20 AM PST by blam
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To: atc23

Our best ship handler was the warrant officer in charge of our division. He put the ship under the Kennedy’s flight deck once. The folks on the carrier went ape shit.

CIC always announced the ETA over the 1MC for the inbound Russian bombers. We used to wave at them.


20 posted on 01/30/2014 6:41:10 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: JimRed

Did they load you on the “cattle” trailer to take you back to ship? I had SP one night there. The first class had us all pumped up for a fight after the EM club closed when we had to chaperoned the drunks onto the trailer. Other than one guy, nothing came of it.


21 posted on 01/30/2014 6:44:13 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: IronJack

Yup. What kind of people send trillions of $ to their enemies? What kind of people _transfer_ their wealth to their enemies? Who does the leadership/government of such a people work for?


22 posted on 01/30/2014 6:46:41 AM PST by veracious
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To: Oberon

The Swedes did not maintain neutrality through marksmanship, but rather by selling the NAZIs as much iron ore and nickel as they could haul away.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 6:50:29 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: blam
Right out of the Sun ZSU playbook: If your enemy is superior,irritate him.
24 posted on 01/30/2014 6:54:42 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: meatloaf
We had a Soviet Bear pilot put his aircraft so close to us we could see the centerfold of the Playboy magazine he pushed against his cockpit glass.

We waved, he gave a thumbs up. In 6 years on that boat, we trained the 5/54 inch guns on two ships. North Korea gunboats that were harassing us after the South Korean president was assassinated and we steamed across the 39th parallel in the dead of night about 20 miles off their coast and a Taiwanese destroyer that was getting froggy for some reason.

25 posted on 01/30/2014 6:56:10 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: SampleMan

Well if the main criterion is doing business with your enemies, we’ve been there for a long time.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 6:57:08 AM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: atc23

I remember the Bears came in low. We made aggressive moves on occasion on the Soviet ships to get them to key their fire control radar.


27 posted on 01/30/2014 7:03:48 AM PST by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: IronJack

Just so long as we can still buy flip flops for $1 at walmart.


28 posted on 01/30/2014 7:16:44 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: veracious

We don’t just send $$ to our enemies. We bring them over here by the millions. (Another thanks to Jorge Busho and his “religion of peace” comment.)


29 posted on 01/30/2014 7:19:19 AM PST by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: blam

Half of China has no drinkable water and they are polluting themselves to death.
They aborted so many females that they have a lots of men for a few women.

They need land.
They need raw materials.
There will be a war with them IMO.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 7:21:20 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jeff Head
Chinese Navy (PLAN) 2014 Growth and Modernization Update
31 posted on 01/30/2014 8:07:21 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Wow! The closest we ever came to dealing with the Soviets and Chinese was at the Rendevous Room in Rapid City. They would on occasion show up and buy us drinks, hoping to pry information from us.

We would offer to buy them a drink, tell the MP’s they were there and that was that. A few weeks later someone else would show up and the process would be repeated.


32 posted on 01/30/2014 8:33:14 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.")
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To: veracious

Blame W Bush for normalizing trade relations with China. More appeasement from a quisling Republican. It’s like selling cannons to Hitler in 1940 because we weren’t at war with Germany.


33 posted on 01/30/2014 8:33:19 AM PST by IronJack
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To: A CA Guy

Half of China has no drinkable water and they are polluting themselves to death.
They aborted so many females that they have a lots of men for a few women.

They need land.
They need raw materials.
There will be a war with them IMO.


You make good points.

But, the former CEO of Blackwater just went to work for the Chinese Communsts to aid in their expansion and operations in Africa.

They’re getting their land and raw materials.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 8:50:54 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: reg45
Or send a squadron of icebreakers, that would work just as well.
35 posted on 01/30/2014 8:56:51 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: blam

They’re just testing our ships capabilities to develop counter measures.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 10:57:46 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: blam; a fool in paradise

Horses are out of the barn running with the bulls, it’s no time to play chicken.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 10:59:05 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: a fool in paradise

The Chinese tiger has thrown the Russian bear under the bus, and is playing chicken with the running dogs of imperialism!


38 posted on 01/30/2014 11:04:57 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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