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South struggles back to normal as officials point fingers after snowstorm
US News-NBC News Online ^ | 1/30/2014 | Erin McClam and Alexander Smith

Posted on 01/30/2014 7:10:34 AM PST by nikos1121

Still littered with abandoned cars, Atlanta struggled to find its way back to normal Thursday while the mayor and governor struggled with the political fallout from a snowstorm that trapped some people in their cars more than 24 hours.

Mayor Kasim Reed assured people on Tuesday, in a message on Twitter before the snow began to fall: “Atlanta, we are ready for the snow.”

On Thursday, he acknowledged that authorities made a mistake by not staggering their orders for people to go home — schools first, then private businesses, then government employees. Instead, hundreds of thousands of people poured onto the interstates at the same time.

But Reed suggested, in a pair of interviews on NBC’s TODAY and MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” that he was being unfairly blamed for traffic that clogged highways outside the city limits.

“I think we need to work much harder on coordination,” he said on MSNBC. But he stressed: “The highways are not the responsibility of the city.”

It was the latest episode of finger-pointing after the storm. On Wednesday, Gov. Nathan Deal infuriated meteorologists by calling the storm “unexpected” and saying that nobody “could have predicted “the degree and magnitude of the problem.”

In fact, the National Weather Service issued a winter storm alert for Atlanta at 3:38 a.m. on Tuesday, 12 hours before the worst of the traffic set in.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: corruption; incompetence; mayor; reed
If this were Chicago, where I'm from, this guy would have been tossed on his ear vis a vis Michael Bilandic style.

Will be interesting to see how he fairs, but considering that he's a black mayor, any criticsm except from another black will be considered racial.

I'm currently in LaGrange, GA. Everyone knew of the snow coming. Schools and companies closed quickly. These buffoons in Atlanta had the equipment and did not proreact.

Complete incompetence. In fact, the guy was holding press conferences, and still is, saying everything was in order and control.

Atlanta, The City, like New Orleans, That Doesn't Work, But Know One Will Ever Know Will They?

1 posted on 01/30/2014 7:10:34 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

“Will be interesting to see how he fairs, but considering that he’s a black mayor, any criticsm except from another black will be considered racial.”

Unless the criticism comes from an ‘Uncle Tom’.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 7:14:04 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: nikos1121; All

global warming is the biggest lie ever told. this is the coldest year ever :Snow in new Orleans , snow in Pensacola,snow in Atlanta, snow in Egypt this year. factories have been emitting C02 for the past 200 years. This CO2 is what democrats say is trapping heat in the atmosphere causing global warming. if that were true then sea levels would have risen 60 feet in those 200 years. They haven’t .there is MORE ice than ever in Antarctica( google it) not less. It’s hasn’t warmed. there is no sea level rise, ice caps have not melted.global warming is a big lie democrats push to grow government and control us (socialism).

democrats are pure evil. democrats are socialists, all of them

I will always continue to fight for freedom and for smaller, almost nonexistent just constitutional government: I am a Republican


3 posted on 01/30/2014 7:15:39 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: nikos1121

I’m in north Georgia and was relieved that the forecast was for the snow to stay below Atlanta. If the forecast changed Tuesday morning the local weather channels had a well kept secret.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 7:18:57 AM PST by Aquamarine
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To: nikos1121

It’s called winter.

People who always look to blame someomne else for their own misfortune need to consider their own lack of foresight, lack of preparation and failure to use their own brains to evaluate a situation.

When people rely on the government to do their thinking for them and things go wrong it isn’t a failure of government, it’s a failure of the individual to accept responsibility for their own life.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 7:20:01 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: nikos1121

What ever happened to Jane Byrne?


6 posted on 01/30/2014 7:20:21 AM PST by DManA
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To: nikos1121

It’s Obama’s fault, just like Katrina was Bush’s fault.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 7:23:25 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: luvbach1

Oh, they’ll still find a way to blame Bush.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 7:24:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Democrat_media

Global Warming has morphed into “Climate Change,” which can cause anything.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 7:24:28 AM PST by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: nikos1121

wow....I mean just WOW.

an inch of snow and everyone goes to pieces....


10 posted on 01/30/2014 7:27:06 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

The problem is media.
In the old days everybody just soldiered on.
Now it’s a 24/7 crisis that demands government to help us all.


11 posted on 01/30/2014 7:28:28 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nikos1121
text We Will Rebuild
12 posted on 01/30/2014 7:28:35 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: nikos1121
Ray Nagin 2.0.

Demonic Party "leadership" = Blame everyone else.

13 posted on 01/30/2014 7:42:25 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Vaquero

“an inch of snow and everyone goes to pieces”

You can thank the “crisis media” for that.

I’m surprised they didn’t name this little event, their good for doing that lately.


14 posted on 01/30/2014 7:45:43 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: nikos1121

Another act of “northern aggression”


15 posted on 01/30/2014 7:46:24 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: nikos1121

Why the hell hasn’t Obama called out FEMA? What is he going to do about these people in the streets? Does he not care about black people?

Honestly, why isn’t this being hung around Obama’s neck like they tried to do with Katrina around Bush’s?


16 posted on 01/30/2014 7:50:23 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: luvbach1

yep... on it’s face “Climate Change” is ludicrous. Do they even think about the term they are using? Do they know the history of ice ages and warming this planet had, before industrialization? It can not, in the large part, be controled.

wow... can’t have change a in climate.. what a joke. I’m tired of listening to these people talk, and for the most part I never do. I tuned out Zero at the beginning, I knew him to be a sham from the very beginning...

now we are going to have another 3 years of listening to the Clintons, running up to 2016.


17 posted on 01/30/2014 7:50:48 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: ExTxMarine

Georgia - Republican governor.

Looks like Chris Christie will need to give the Gov, some lessons on sucking up.


18 posted on 01/30/2014 7:52:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121

2 1/2 inches of snow and people get stuck? This is not the government’s fault.


19 posted on 01/30/2014 7:53:23 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: luvbach1
I heard a guy talking on the radio this morning. He said he used to believe in Global Warming, but doesn't any more, after he heard that the sun just went thru a polar shift, which is more than likely responsible for the cold weather.

I'd be willing to bet that a good amount of the problems in Atlanta stemmed from people with 4 wheel drive SUV's who thought they could go anywhere. They can't, in fact they are downright dangerous on ice.

20 posted on 01/30/2014 8:04:45 AM PST by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: Vaquero

I get so sick of that attitude from people who.have no clue about the roads down here. The asphalt has a higher amount of tar to deal with thhe high temps through the summer. On top of that, 90%of the time we getwe usually get rain that freezes u.derneath the snow. I don’t care who you are, driving in a sheet of ice is treacherous.


21 posted on 01/30/2014 8:13:32 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: nikos1121

Reed was just reelected by a wide margin.

Out of curiosity, if the mayor or the governor at your location told you this is when you have to come home from work, would you have followed their orders???

Atlantans had a choice. They all could have stayed home from work on Tuesday to avoid what happened. Those that went to work (for whatever reason) chose to take their chances. The storm was supposed to hit later, it was supposed to hit further south, it was supposed to have less snow and less ice build up. Sometimes that happens with weather.... can’t always be perfect in the predictions.

As to National Weather Service, their projections had major portion of storm south of Atlanta and hitting around 2 pm. Not only did major portion of storm hit Atlanta northward but it started in the north at 10am. No one I know has a way back machine. There are 40 snow plows for the STATE of Georgia. Chicago probably has more than that for the south side.


22 posted on 01/30/2014 8:24:27 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Vaquero
I believe the last time Atlanta had a problem with snow was 1983.

Since then, the problem with our biennial (yet, according to the media, 'rare') winter storms is sheets of smooth ice covering the roadways of a metro area within an hour or two, as was the problem this time.

Atlanta is not equipped to address that, although it's a frequent occurrence.

23 posted on 01/30/2014 8:30:04 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Scoutmaster

trucks with spreaders loaded with salt and sand...which is stored in many locations under a pavilion style roof to keep the rain from washing it away and the trucks are loaded when needed...if it happens every few years it is enough to set up the infrastructure...


24 posted on 01/30/2014 8:38:30 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: autumnraine

see 24


25 posted on 01/30/2014 8:39:17 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: nikos1121

Predicting what a winter storm will do in the south is one of the biggest guessing jobs in the weather business. Conditions have to be perfect for it to snow down here, and conditions change by the minute. They were predicting just where this storm would go for almost a week, and I knew that they could not possibly know what it would do or where it would go, especially when they said it would go further south than usual. Nobody was predicting ice and snow in Atlanta or Birmingham, and nothing was supposed to happen until later in the day. Blame the weather forecasters for this one.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 8:40:19 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: nikos1121

This happened in Boston a few years back. Mayor closed the city and told private companies to send their employees home at 2PM. Schools and government were closed at same time. Massive gridlock. I was caught up in that and it took me until 10pm at night to get home. All it takes is a few accidents and spinouts in that situation and nothing will move for hours.


27 posted on 01/30/2014 8:44:21 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: autumnraine
It was the layer of ice under the snow that caused the problem, it's foolish of people to think if you can't see it it's not there. A percentage of the truckers that got stuck on the ice were from the north.

The salt trucks were all staged in middle and south Georgia where the weather forecasters predicted it would snow.

28 posted on 01/30/2014 8:56:50 AM PST by Aquamarine
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To: nikos1121

A Lot of blame to go around here... but I will just say for the record, Southern Drivers are absolute IDIOTS!!!
growing up in Wyo snow and ice are a part of life... but here in Atl... I see things i never thought I would see!!

spent the night on CCP never saw ONE sand/salt truck and took 12 hours to clear one wreck that was blocking the entire road... cops came, and left dint do jack!!!

Pathetic for no more snow and ice that was on the ground!!


29 posted on 01/30/2014 8:57:34 AM PST by wyowolf
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To: V_TWIN
I’m surprised they didn’t name this little event, their good for doing that lately.

They did...Winter Storm 'Leon'.

30 posted on 01/30/2014 8:58:31 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: nikos1121
Mayor Kasim Reed assured people on Tuesday, in a message on Twitter before the snow began to fall: “Atlanta, we are ready for the snow.”

Is the Mayor ashamed of his first name? Muhammad?

31 posted on 01/30/2014 9:01:31 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dfwgator

Governor Deal was the target, Kasim Reed was just collateral damage.


32 posted on 01/30/2014 9:03:05 AM PST by Aquamarine
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To: SamAdams76
All it takes is a few accidents and spinouts in that situation and nothing will move for hours.

Three major interstate highways converge in ATL 75 85 and 20. Have a look at the number of 18 wheelers in those jams.

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33 posted on 01/30/2014 9:06:37 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: who knows what evil?

Thanks for the help.

Well, at least their consistant with their manufactured crises.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 9:15:38 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: nikos1121

“Mayor Kasim Reed assured people on Tuesday, in a message on Twitter”

On twitter? really? What about people who dont buy into social media? Good Lord whats wrong with TV?


35 posted on 01/30/2014 9:17:57 AM PST by V_TWIN
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To: nikos1121

Lemme tell you...N.O. did it RIGHT this time. We didn’t believe it would actually happen, but there was ice everywhere. You have to be MONUMENTALLY incompetent to make New Orleans politicians look GOOD handling a crisis! Otherwise, the excuses sound about the same. Here, Nagin is on trial for what he didn’t do during Katrina, and how he profited while in office-ironic timing! Will Atlanta’s mayor be held accountable for this? Unless there were deaths, I doubt it. Lawsuits, however, should begin NOW!


36 posted on 01/30/2014 9:18:24 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: V_TWIN

AND radio.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 9:18:57 AM PST by V_TWIN
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Well, at least their consistent with their manufactured crises.

Amen to that...

38 posted on 01/30/2014 9:20:27 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Here, Nagin is on trial for what he didn’t do during Katrina

No he isn't. He's on trial for numerous counts of political corruption. Katrina has nothing to do with it.

You didn't believe it would ice in NOLA? I did. It arrived a bit later than expected, and wasn't as thick as predicted, but was enough to make driving hazardous in a region critically dependent on major bridges and elevated expressways. I could have got to my office on Tuesday, and maybe even home again, but it wasn't worth the risk.

39 posted on 01/30/2014 9:39:52 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Nifster

There are many factors to this. First the ‘choice’you mentioned to stay home or not. While the officials say STAY OFF the roads except for emergencies, employers are saying REPORT TO WORK. If your job is on the line-you go. Second-you can’t keep kids home if you have to go to work, so you send the kids to schools if they’re open( trusting the government for safety). Kids off school mean arranging childcare-not always possible-so everyone wants the regular routine to go on, they play the odds.
Also- there is the ‘Sky is Falling’ syndrome. False alarms numb people to the threat of danger. Relatives in Atlanta told me that they’ve been hearing ‘snow’ for weeks, and nothing happens-so they didn’t believe this. Atlanta is also a huge city- gridlock is a daily thing. Put all of that together with the fact that weather has become over dramatized of late( naming winter...really?) and there’s a real disconnect between real life and weather/disasters/warnings.
I saw it here in the N.O.area. Officials saying STAY HOME , employers saying come to work. Since schools were closed ahead of time, that made some stay home-but not all. And people were actually complaining that stores were closed, they wanted to shop in an ice storm. They were in Sams Club( which didn’t close till almost dark!) with newborns and children. When the store finally closed, everything was iced over and it was getting dark, and people were STILL driving up, incensed that they couldn’t shop!
If those stores in Atlanta hadn’t been open, where would the stranded people have sheltered?
And WHY-once it happened and people were stranded on the Interstate- weren’t helicopters called in to lift people down to ground level? In 18 hours??? Every surrounding city could have sent police copters, National Guard,military help-a helluva lot sooner! Ice a factor flying- how about fire trucks with extended ladders to allow people to climb down from Interstates? Instead, we got stupefied inaction!
Atlanta isn’t a city surrounded by a swamp, like N.O. it has major metropolitan areas all around to help. Why did it take so long? We got tsunami help to Indonesia faster! A major American city paralyzed by winter weather is ludicrous. There was an overabundance of stupidity and incompetence involved in this.


40 posted on 01/30/2014 9:41:16 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: Aquamarine

Exactly!


41 posted on 01/30/2014 9:43:05 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Romulus
... and how he profited while in office...
I know why he is on trial- officially- but everyone also knows it's also for how he handled Katrina. Like Capone- you get him for one thing but you know it is for the other stuff too. No, no one I knew actually believed there would be a real ice storm. We stayed home, got food, but remained cynical. Local weather people are buffoons. They couldn't predict stink in a Port-o-let on Mardi Gras day! Remember Hurricane Issac? The storm they couldn't track because it had no eye-so they didn't know where it was, officially- while it stayed over LA. for 3 days?! If I want the weather here, I look outside.
42 posted on 01/30/2014 9:49:53 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: nikos1121
These buffoons in Atlanta had the equipment and did not proreact.

"Proreacting" is a subtle talent that's too much to ask of an Atlanta buffoon. Even with equipment. Next time elect a mayor with mnemonic foresight, or predictive memory.

43 posted on 01/30/2014 9:49:56 AM PST by Romulus
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To: ClearBlueSky

oh I don’t disagree with your observations. The truth is that the only way employers change their attitudes about the safety of their workers is when our behavior says it is the most important thing. Frankly I would tell an employer to go ahead and fire me if they don’t trust my judgement. I would be willing to face whatever those consequences are. I have been told many times in the past “if you don’t do ——— (fill in the blank with whatever you want to) THEN you will be fired.” A few times when I was young and unobservant I did what I was told or else. Then I realized that my employer needed my skills as much as I needed a job. I took to saying fine go ahead and fire me then. They never did. What I learned from that was two things 1) work hard when I am at work and go the extra mile when I can 2) no job is worth my sanity or my safety.

I note that you live in NO. Seems to me people refused to leave their homes during Katrina causing all sorts of havoc for emergency personnel. People went to work also not believing any warnings. It is my understanding that while the storm was not as bad as it could have been the levi breaks caused massive flooding and major problems for the city.

There are not necessarily one size fits all answers which is why it is all the more important for individuals to act in an informed and responsible manner


44 posted on 01/30/2014 9:54:50 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Agreed-but not everyone can afford to lose their jobs and face the consequences.
As for Katrina-many factors again. We left but not because we didn’t believe the warnings, the local officials and weather people PLAYED DOWN Katrina! Friends in Mobile were hearing totally different news- they alerted and saved us!
As late as the day before it hit, local weather people were calling for a ‘blustery day’ and tropical storm force winds in the city! Politics-interrupting business, tourism, etc-trumped weather; and the forecasters were INCOMPETENT.
The same seems true about Atlanta- the people EXPECT the forecasts to be wrong, because they usually are! What the NWS was predicting- and what local Atlantans heard-seems to have been different. If it can happen with a monster hurricane, I know it can with a cold front!
I won’t argue the general stupidity, and disconnect, of the general populace( re. news/weather) on a good day.


45 posted on 01/30/2014 10:05:17 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: yawningotter

We’ve had below freezing temperatures here for weeks. On Tuesday the weather report was 100% precipitation. Not 40%, not 60%...100%. That means that it was a 100% certainly that rain would be falling, starting at 11 AM over the entire area.

Guess what? At 11 am it started snowing. Temp was around 32, but dropped quickly. Within two hours only 1 to 2 inches had accumulated, but the temperature was now in the 20s.

No salt on the roads, no nothing.

This is pure incompetence, but the guy is a democrat I believe and black so nothing will come of it. Nothing.


46 posted on 01/30/2014 10:58:14 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: ClearBlueSky

Local weather forecasters....particularly Ken Cooke and his team at Fox news Atlanta did a great job. They were on top of it all and letting every one know what was coming. It is one of the reasons that my daughter and her husband stayed home.

When someone tells me they cannot afford to lose their job so they have to do —— (fill in the blank) I don’t argue with them. I do however think to myself if you die doing it you won’t need a job at all.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 12:42:50 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I guess my relatives don`t watch Fox. Thats a factor too. Many have one channel they watch for news/weather. Forecasters vary widely at times with their `interpretation` of NWS reports. They try to make a name for themselves that way-theatre again. The same data given different spin. People tend to trust one and ignore the others. I want science not personality when it comes to weather. Glad your family did alright. Mine did too.


48 posted on 01/30/2014 6:04:03 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Glad to hear it.

I have to admit overall I think Georgia did not too bad all things considered. After all I can still hear the folks on the upper east side of NYC complaining that their streets weren’t getting plowed because DeBlasio doesn’t like them


49 posted on 01/30/2014 6:13:02 PM PST by Nifster
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