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Amanda Knox has 'heart in her mouth' as pair await murder verdict
The Telegraph ^ | January 30, 2014 | Nick Squires, Florence

Posted on 01/30/2014 7:33:45 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: Uncle Chip

That’s not all FOXY has had in her mouth.


41 posted on 01/30/2014 11:58:50 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Scoutmaster

She WAS guilty, and remains guilty. A petulant, over-sexed, pampered narcissist. GUILTY!


42 posted on 01/30/2014 12:02:39 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: dinoparty

“I personally think she did it. Whether that has been proven sufficiently is another question.”

How can we judge guilt or innocence without a picture?


43 posted on 01/30/2014 12:04:13 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Uncle Chip
Among other things, they found his bloody fingerprint on a sofa cushion and his unflushed feces in the toiled (identified by DNA). Guede clearly was involved in the murder.

I'm trying to figure out how the police identified Guede. Amanda and Guede were friends.

From the beginning, the police concluded that Meredith Kercher was killed by more than one assailant. She had wounds from two different knives. The bruises on her wrists indicated that she had been held down with great force and the lack of any blood or skin on her fingernails suggested she had not been able to strike back at her attacker(s), yet all of her clothing had been torn from her body, suggesting that one person held her down while least one other stripped her.

Judge Giancarlo Massei, Judge Paolo Micheli, and the Supreme Court of Cassation all concluded that multiple perpetrators murdered Meredith Kercher. The DNA mixed with Kercher's blood in the bathroom did not belong to Guede.At the time of Meredith’s murder, Rudy Guede had no known arrest record, no criminal history, was not found to possess drugs or drug paraphernalia, although he admittedly smoked marijuana. He's termed a "drifter" by the public relations firm hired by Amanda Knox's parents in 2007, yet he was renting his own apartment at the time of the murder.

You'll hear that Guede has a 'past history with knives.'

The story behind that claim is this. Earlier in the year of the murder, Guede was spotted walking out of the principal's office in a local Milan school. He was detained. When the police searched his backpack, they found a laptop and a knife. The laptop was later identified as having been stolen from a Milan law firm. Guede claimed he had purchased it. No charges were pressed against him and he was released by the police. Guede had no other history of a fascination with or use of knives.

Guede has changed certain details of his confession several times, but his confession has generally been that he was present when Kercher was murdered, that he had sexually assaulted her, but that Knox and Sollecito were present and wielded the two knives.

At the trial were Guede was convicted, the trial judge ruled that Knox and Sollecito were accomplices to the murder. This was an entirely different trial than the one that's at issue now.

One other curious detail is that Knox supporters claim Guede entered Kircher's apartment by climbing through a shuttered window, facing the street, 13" off the ground, while holding a 9-pound rock in one hand. This is where the evidence that the rock and broken glass were on top of the simulated burglary comes into play.

Guede has confessed that entered the apartment through the front door with Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox, that he sexually assaulted Kircher, and that Sollecito and Knox stabbed Kircher to death.

One other detail that's often not presented is that fact that Patrick Lumumba had employed Amanda Knox and was helping her get her work visa. He had cut back her hours to two days per week, allegedly because of poor work performance. The day of the murder, he called Knox and asked her not to come to work that night.

Some speculate that's why Knox named Lumumba as the killer.

Again, the Italian jury found Knox not guilty - but it's simply not the case that there was no evidence against. I'm satisfied that the jury found her not guilty initially, but I know that there are plenty of intelligent legal minds who believe Knox and Sollecito were involved in the murder.

44 posted on 01/30/2014 12:35:46 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: nikos1121

It’s hard, very hard to get an accurate idea of what really happened here, esp when you have Ann Coulter coming out saying that the girl was guilty guilty guilty.

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The only reason Ann Coulter believes Amanda Knox is guilty is because Amanda is way younger and way prettier than she is.


45 posted on 01/30/2014 12:40:32 PM PST by dmz
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To: Doc Savage

She WAS guilty, and remains guilty. A petulant, over-sexed, pampered narcissist. GUILTY!

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LOL. You believe the MSM without question because this story feeds your preconceived notions.

You describe her exactly as the media did. Congrats. Hook, line and sinker.


46 posted on 01/30/2014 12:43:33 PM PST by dmz
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To: Owl558

There was a black guy in jail who admitted to doing it, and somehow the courts try to say she and the boyfriend were in on it as well.
The guy already in jail had a history, the other two did not.

There was no real motive, so Italy is insane and cocky to be pushing this again IMO.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 12:45:39 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Something I said was misleading.

I wrote: "Guede has changed certain details of his confession several times, but his confession has generally been that he was present when Kercher was murdered, that he had sexually assaulted her, but that Knox and Sollecito were present and wielded the two knives."

What I should have pointed out is that, in his first confession, Guede said that Amanda Knox was not in the apartment. He quickly changed that story, but that's what he said initially.

48 posted on 01/30/2014 12:45:56 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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The guy already in jail had a history

I know of nothing other than the backpack incident at the nursery school. What other history did Guede have?

49 posted on 01/30/2014 12:49:37 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Uncle Chip
Do you have any idea how they traced this crime to Rudy Guede???

I told you about the bloody fingerprint.

Apparently, Guede had previously given his fingerprints when he applied for an Italian identity card.

50 posted on 01/30/2014 12:54:07 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Scoutmaster
his confession has generally been that he was present when Kercher was murdered, that he had sexually assaulted her

CMIIAW but didn't the forensics show that she had not been sexually assaulted???

So his claim would be disingenuous.

So then just why was he there???

51 posted on 01/30/2014 12:58:27 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Scoutmaster; All

This just in — Knox and her beau have been found GUILTY by the Italian court.


52 posted on 01/30/2014 1:01:23 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

What ridiculous mess.


53 posted on 01/30/2014 1:02:55 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: nikos1121
Yup, so many conflicting reports.....and so many statements made by a fragile girl, from a very protected environment, who discovered the body of her murdered friend and was then beaten while in custody, and then spent years in jail. If she was ever normal, she will never be normal again. For that reason i discount everything she's said since her trial. The facts, at least that I've been able to find, show that the drifter (Guede) killed this girl. We also know that the prosecutor is corrupt (and crazy) and the local police are as corrupt as some third world hell hole.

I like Coulter, for the most part, but her view of this isn't something I'd give much credibility. Knox's life will never be normal,. No matter where she goes she will always be "that girl." Had the locals done legitimate police work, this could all have been avoided. But, instead, they behaved like a bunch of Keystone Cops from some banana republic.

54 posted on 01/30/2014 1:06:30 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Scoutmaster
When faced with traumatic scenes one misses a lot of details. For example; a few years back a friends wife across the street collapsed, she was dying. I was there doing CPR. Ambulances (two) arrive and a fire truck.

Husband comes home in middle of this and to this day, years later, doesn't recall the second ambulance or the firetruck. I am able to recall the firetruck and an ambulance but not the second one (I was focused).

All too often perceived discrepancies are seen as indication of deceit or deception when in fact it is usually the result of a faulty or distracted memory, focused mind (tunnel vision), or poor language. And, it must be pointed out that perfect recall is viewed as indication of guilt.

So, discrepancies in memory indicate something amiss and no discrepancies indicate guilt because no one has a perfect memory.

Which brings me to your observation that she said there was no blood on the floor, then how then can it be “Two luminol-enhanced footprints presumably made by Knox in Kercher’s blood in the hallway outside her bedroom.” . . .”One of the footprints was in a size 37. Knox's shoes were all size 37 or 38.”

Blood on the floor and she didn't notice? Quite possible.

Interesting.

Did she do it?

Don't know. However, I do know the Italian justice system is questionable at best and in this case, very questionable.

Oh, last point, she is being interrogated for over 30-hrs, in a language that she is not a native speaker, possibly switching between English and Italian (both her and the interrogators—and they are not native English speakers), so yes, transcription errors, translation errors, misunderstanding, etc. . .and foggy memory are quite understandable and easily account for perceived lies or deceptions.

Cheers.

55 posted on 01/30/2014 1:11:34 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Scoutmaster

Oh. . then please disregard most of my last post.

;-)


56 posted on 01/30/2014 1:12:43 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Ramius; All

Just in:

Amanda Knox Found Guilty of Murder By Italian Court

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3117552/posts


57 posted on 01/30/2014 1:17:09 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

And now, back to the Italian Supremes for yet another appeal, if I understood the process correctly.


58 posted on 01/30/2014 1:19:06 PM PST by dmz
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CMIIAW but didn't the forensics show that she had not been sexually assaulted?

I don't know what to believe about this case.

59 posted on 01/30/2014 1:28:50 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Uncle Chip
CMIIAW but didn't the forensics show that she had not been sexually assaulted?

I don't know what to believe about this case.

60 posted on 01/30/2014 1:28:50 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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