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Paul Ryan’s Super Clever Idea for Illegal Immigrants
redstate.com ^ | 1/30/14 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 01/30/2014 8:37:09 AM PST by cotton1706

Now that House Republicans have passed a trillion dollar omnibus and trillion dollar farm bill, they are prepared to tackle the most pressing issue of our time – granting benefits to illegal immigrants.

The key to understanding the politics of illegal immigration is that this is not just about amnesty (legalization and/or citizenship). It’s not just that these people are calling for amnesty because of logistics, yet desire an end to illegal immigration in the future. If that were the case they would simply implement the enforcement measures that have been passed on numerous occasions (eight times, in the case of Visa exit-entry), and address those already here from a position of strength – knowing that this won’t happen again.

What they really desire is open borders. That is why they always propose the legalization before implementation of enforcement measures and cutting off of magnets and benefits. They know the latter will never come to fruition while the former will occur immediately. They want to continue the perennial cycle of open borders and amnesty.

However, they understand that the public (and certainly their base) is not buying it. So Paul Ryan has thought of a clever shiny object to use for packaging of this grand scheme. A probationary status!

Ryan said the principles would outline a bill that would allow immigrants living in the country illegally to “come out of the shadows” to receive a probationary work permit.

To get out of the probationary status and receive a regular work permit, triggers for border security and interior enforcement would have to be met and independently verified.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; elections; ryan
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Yup, McCain's former aide (now Boehner's aide) has been whispering in their ears. They're using the same terms now.

All this is is a change of tactics. They figured they'd need to start an immigration bill in the Senate and then force and pressure the House to pass it.

But that didn't work, so they sent an architect of the senate bill to the House and they're trying to begin the process there, so once passed, the Senate can then strong-arm it through (with the help of the usual gang who will help get it through cloture but then vote against it to fool their constituents).

So the new game is not a conference. The new game is the for the House to basically pass the senate bill (in pieces or otherwise), then the Senate will just pass what the House passed, to get it to the president.

It's the Obamacare strategy. Allow no amendments, get one bill to pass a bill then the other will stong-arm it through and the president will sign it.

And this is all being choreographed by John Boehner's new aide, formerly John McCain's aide.

1 posted on 01/30/2014 8:37:09 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Ann Coulter hit the nail on the head today with her “Suicide Watch” article.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 8:41:47 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: cotton1706

” - - - this is all being choreographed by John Boehner’s new aide, formerly John McCain’s aide. - - - “

Do you have a name for this Obamacrat?


3 posted on 01/30/2014 8:42:24 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: cotton1706

“The difference is that Ryan seems to imply that when the government fails to stop illegal immigration the status will be revoked! What’s the matter? You don’t believe him?”

Let’s see 4 straight years of enforcement and THEN we’ll talk about legalization.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 8:47:42 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: cotton1706
No bill that is passed is safe from the administration's selective enforcement.

Once any kind of legal status is conferred on the illegals, there will be no way of returning them to illegal status.

5 posted on 01/30/2014 8:47:47 AM PST by oldbrowser (Obamacare is Obama's Great Leap Forward)
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To: Don Corleone

Ryan said the principles would outline a bill that would allow immigrants living in the country illegally to “come out of the shadows” to receive a probationary work permit.

Included within the bill are a number of intervertent mistake that will be corrected at a later date, it worked sooooooo well for the vets that backstabbing ryan will try it again.

ryan can’t understand that after telling one lie why people call him a liar.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 8:50:34 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: cotton1706

“Ryan said the principles would outline a bill that would allow immigrants living in the country illegally to “come out of the shadows” to receive a probationary work permit.”

Somebody tell the boy genuis that studies have shown only about 20% of the illegals would ever come out of the shadows. Most of them are Mexicans who are highly nationalistic and have zero desire to become US citizens. They are here for the goodies.

We already have something like 40 guest worker programs for foreigners to come here and work. This is all a ploy to just declare amnesty for 11-20 million of the underclass of another nation because its just too much trouble to figure out how to get rid of them.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 8:53:14 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cotton1706

Amnesty is job NONE. It isn’t even the leading issue with Hispanics.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 8:54:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: cotton1706

9 posted on 01/30/2014 8:55:03 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: cotton1706

Its disturbing when you get reminded yet again that your Repub politicians aren’t representing you, nor are they serving their country. I expect Dems to betray all that is holy, they’re Dems. I get disturbed when I see the GOP’s best and brightest openly going over to the dark side.

I keep making a list and it keeps getting longer of Repubs who have soiled themselves and want me to pretend I don’t smell it.

This isn’t that difficult a problem unless you want it to be. This is a very solvable problem unless you don’t want to solve it. Secure the border. Enforce the law. Let the chips fall. And vote these quislings out whatever the cost.


10 posted on 01/30/2014 8:55:56 AM PST by marron
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No! It’s easy to figure out. Quite letting them work here. Cut off the freebies. Get out of their way as they self-deport.

Enough of the happy dance around, “We can’t pick them all up and deport them.” We wouldn’t need to, and EVERYONE knows it.


11 posted on 01/30/2014 8:56:57 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: cotton1706

I knew Ryan could not be trusted when he threw the debate to that lunatic Biden. He’s playing for the NWO/bankers/elites.


12 posted on 01/30/2014 8:57:31 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: cotton1706

End the status of so-called anchor babies, retroactive to 1984. If your parents were illegal - you are too.

Offer a $1000 per head bounty to any citizen to capture and bring in illegal aliens.

Grant 3 month amnesty period for illegals to turn themselves in for deportation rather than risk confrontations with rednecks.

Send all illegals turned in to their country of origin - no hearings, no trials, no discussion. If you’re not legal - you go!
Most take buses/trains to Mexico (country of origin).
The rest get plane rides on Air Force C-130’s back to the motherland.

20 million illegals @ $1000/head = $20 Billion to end the problem once and for all.

Rednecks become well off as immigration enforcers.

ICE gets phased out as superfluous.

In the end, we save money and get rid of the lawless, the America haters, and the con artists.

Where’s the problem?


13 posted on 01/30/2014 8:59:05 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Graewoulf

“Do you have a name for this Obamacrat?”

Rebecca Tallent


14 posted on 01/30/2014 8:59:21 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

No sale.
Secure our borders. Enforce the laws as they exist. Then we can talk about the rest.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 9:00:25 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: cotton1706

Thanks! Is she a Lib from an Ivy League Socialist Mill?


16 posted on 01/30/2014 9:01:25 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Try the oldies but goodies:

Eisenhower's Operation Wetback

17 posted on 01/30/2014 9:05:21 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This
‘Let’s see 4 straight years of enforcement and THEN we’ll talk about legalization.”
Brilliant and easily doable

All Freepers need to call and call their Rep’s office and complain
Every Rep is up for election next year so they will listen
and if the numbers saying NO are large enough then maybe enough Reps will vote NO to the piece of crap idea


18 posted on 01/30/2014 9:07:43 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: cotton1706

This is a confidence trick and buffoonery. Ryan is using Dem word games trying to con GOP voters.


19 posted on 01/30/2014 9:09:51 AM PST by lodi90
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To: cotton1706

Why when they are facing a home run election cycle, they are whizzing on the 3rd rail over immigration is beyond me....

TO bring this topic up at all this year is lunacy.


20 posted on 01/30/2014 9:12:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: cotton1706

“Dual Status” agreements always eventually fail, which is exactly what people pushing for “change” want.

To them a dual status agreement is just a temporary stop on the way to full status for all - a way to get the opposition to compromise their basic principles.

Once a dual status agreement is in effect, those pushing for change start crying about the lack of fairness and the treatment of some as second class citizens.

It happens in business, government and organizations of every type.


21 posted on 01/30/2014 9:15:40 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences." - Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: cotton1706

Paul Ryan is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.


22 posted on 01/30/2014 9:23:23 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Graewoulf; cotton1706
Do you have a name for this Obamacrat?

I'll help out here. I found this new thing called GOOGLE SEARCH. All you have to do is get a computer, and hook it up to a thing called the INTERNET, and then go to GOOGLE.COM. Then type in "John Boehner's new aide."

BOOM... it comes up with... Rebecca Tallent.

23 posted on 01/30/2014 9:27:16 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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To: chiefqc
Included within the bill are a number of intervertent mistake(s)..

Did you mean 'inadvertent'?

24 posted on 01/30/2014 9:29:55 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends



PAUL RYAN is both an IDIOT and a TRAITOR!

PLEASE Support Free Republic today!

25 posted on 01/30/2014 9:30:35 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thanks, then ICANSEE2.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 9:31:26 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: cotton1706
I see Ryan as the guy who thinks he's smarter than anyone else in the room.

A typical technocrat with no understanding of the "national question."

27 posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:23 AM PST by turducken
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To: LucianOfSamasota

We don’t have an illegal immigration problem, we have an illegal labor problem. Until we cut off their ability to get a job they will keep coming.


28 posted on 01/30/2014 9:38:36 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Oh yes, my mistake not the best speller in the world.

The bottom line is still the same.

Thanks


29 posted on 01/30/2014 9:41:17 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: cotton1706
Any republican who endorses anything short of enthusiastic enforcement of current immigration laws should automatically go on the sh*t list.

Ryan is already near the top.

30 posted on 01/30/2014 9:44:41 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cotton1706

ahh, the GOP central planning mastermind, strikes again. i hope wisconsin is taking notice.


31 posted on 01/30/2014 9:46:36 AM PST by dadfly
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To: JPG

32 posted on 01/30/2014 9:47:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: HamiltonJay
The NWO elites must have ordered the repub leadership to allow the alien saturation of the US thus causing the repub party to self destruct. End goal; hasten the people's acceptance of a North American Union.

33 posted on 01/30/2014 9:53:30 AM PST by drypowder
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To: cotton1706; Don Corleone; Graewoulf; Blood of Tyrants; oldbrowser; chiefqc; Georgia Girl 2; ...
Its disturbing when you get reminded yet again that your Repub politicians aren’t representing you, nor are they serving their country. I expect Dems to betray all that is holy, they’re Dems. I get disturbed when I see the GOP’s best and brightest openly going over to the dark side.

The mask is slipping; it's time to realize that the GOP is more despicable than the Democrat party — at least the Democrats are honest about what they want and work toward their goals. The GOP, on the other hand, is all talk (and brand-name/reputation) and nothing on action; just look at what they've [not] done on: fiscal responsibility, government accountability, firearm laws [repealing gun-control], constitutionalism [look at the WoD, the NDAA, and the NSA], and abortion [throwing for Romney, even as they add no exceptions to the plank].

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY GOVERNMENT.
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34 posted on 01/30/2014 10:06:41 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Republicans don’t have the stones to do what needs to be done to get the illegals to self deport. Its just easier to give them amnesty and move on. Thats what they want to do and if we don’t stop them they will.


35 posted on 01/30/2014 10:09:41 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No they don’t. And it’s my take they will push through amnesty for the Left. When they do 25 to 40 million illegals will pour out of the woodwork to make it official.

With that will come a stream of government support the likes of which has seldom been seen before.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: cotton1706

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

37 posted on 01/30/2014 10:20:59 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: cotton1706
What they really desire is open borders.

This is a top priority of the NWO Globalist Agenda. It supersedes all other considerations, including the political viability to the Republican Party.

If it takes destroying the Republican Party to get open borders, then so be it. It would be like sacrificing a bishop to achieve checkmate. And that's what open borders would be to American sovereignty.

38 posted on 01/30/2014 10:27:09 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Republicans don’t have the stones to do what needs to be done to get the illegals to self deport.

IOWs enforce the law. Republicans clearly don't have any more respect for the rule of law than DemRats do. The rule of law is dead and this is a banana republic. Have an exit plan!

39 posted on 01/30/2014 10:30:02 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Yeh no argument. We have an exit plan and are currently executing it. This country has gone way past the ballot box.


40 posted on 01/30/2014 10:34:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: OneWingedShark
at least the Democrats are honest about what they want and work toward their goals

Seriously?? Not to be picky but how does that statement fit with the democrats lying to pass a law in order to legally dismantle the American health care insurance system?? I seem to recall we were told and sold ............. Politicians, most of whom are lawyers, by their very nature can't be honest. They all lie so it will behoove us to not fall for any partisanship separation ploy.

41 posted on 01/30/2014 10:41:40 AM PST by drypowder
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To: drypowder
Seriously?? Not to be picky but how does that statement fit with the democrats lying to pass a law in order to legally dismantle the American health care insurance system?

You don't remember them saying plainly that single-payer was their [ultimate] goal?

I seem to recall we were told and sold … Politicians, most of whom are lawyers, by their very nature can't be honest. They all lie so it will behoove us to not fall for any partisanship separation ploy.

And yet they do what they can on things like gun-control, abortion, social-programs -- all things they're for.
The point is that they work toward their [stated] goals, the Republican party does not.

42 posted on 01/30/2014 10:47:44 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: cotton1706

43 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:16 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: Don Corleone
Ann Coulter hit the nail on the head today with her “Suicide Watch” article.

And I shared it on every social network I know of. We all should.

44 posted on 01/30/2014 11:24:31 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Don Corleone
Ann Coulter hit the nail on the head today with her “Suicide Watch” article.

Rush is hammering this as well, today.

45 posted on 01/30/2014 11:43:24 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: cotton1706

Hey Ran, play that funky music, white boy.


46 posted on 01/30/2014 11:49:38 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: cotton1706
My solution is to create a new card, call it a Blue Card, that grants "permanent guest worker" status. You can stay here, work, pay taxes, etc., but you cannot apply for citizenship.

To apply for citizenship you would have to return to your native country and apply for permanent residency like everybody else.

47 posted on 01/30/2014 12:12:31 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: OneWingedShark
You don't remember them saying plainly that single-payer was their [ultimate] goal?

I do, Obozo selectively chose pro dem venues to utter his single payer goal and Reid and Pelosi both uttered that the single payer goal was the very reason for the ACA. However, single payer was not part of the dems public mantra and yet the MSM saturated us with the You Can Keep Your Doctor lie. With all due respect, are the dems more honest than the repubs when no matter what they say they know the MSM will protect them by muting, slanting or misquoting their words to make them more palatable and that being necessary to advance their goals?

As Lewis Back so eloquently put it; the dems are the party of BAD ideas and the repubs are the party of NO ideas.

I agree with you that the dems have a plan (Saul Alenski) and they are working that plan thus clearly forcing America in becoming a communist country. Have you heard any democrat say anything about that goal? Obozo has only stated that he wants to fundamentally change America but has never once publically divulged what his goal of change is. The dems will never admit it but we have seen enough that makes their goal obvious. The repubs have no plan because their own corruption is being used against them by this administration, thanks to the NSA. Thus, the repub's ruin is of their own making as they continue to step in every little pile of poo the dems put in front of them. This DC repub leadership is clearly stymied and the only hope they have left is to continue committing fraud (lie) against the American people, the same as the democrats are doing. I believe that DC corruption has caught up with itself and will eventually cause the entire DC house of cards to collapse and may well take the country with it.

48 posted on 01/30/2014 12:39:47 PM PST by drypowder
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To: cotton1706
Now that House Republicans have passed a trillion dollar omnibus and trillion dollar farm bill, they are prepared to tackle the most pressing issue of our time – granting benefits pandering to illegal immigrants future democrat voters.

There, fixed it.

49 posted on 01/30/2014 1:37:25 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. *Asterisk.*)
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To: Graewoulf

Thanks for having a sense of humor.

I completely understand why you simply asked him to supply the name.


50 posted on 01/30/2014 5:17:27 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I forgot what my tagline was supposed to say)
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