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Texas -Cop shoots 72-year-old dead in his home (Wrong address, no charges)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news ^ | 1/30/2014 | Ashley Collman

Posted on 01/30/2014 10:55:13 AM PST by dragnet2

Actual headline below: Would not fit in title header

Rookie cop who shot 72-year-old dead in his home while investigating burglary at the WRONG address will not be charged

A family devastated: Waller was shot by Fort Worth police as they searched his home for burglars in the dark using only flashlights

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548819/Rookie-cop-NOT-charged-killing-72-year-old-accidental-search-home.html

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cops; crime; donutwatch; fortworth; policeshooting; standingarmy; texas; wronghouse
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According to a search warrant affidavit released by the Star-Telegram in July, the two officers encountered an armed Waller near the corner of his home, told them they were police and to drop his gun.

Waller didn't drop his gun and instead raised it at Hoeppner who proceeded to fatally shoot the senior citizen seven times.

According to the autopsy report, Waller suffered three hits to his chest as well as single shots to his abdomen and hand. Two other bullets grazed his wrist and forearm.

'I don't know who the guy is,' Hanlon says. 'The guy came out with a gun. He wouldn't put the gun down. He pointed it at Hoeppner. Hoeppner fired.'

Waller was found in his garage and pronounced dead at the scene.

Waller's widow and the rest of his family released a statement of their own as well, saying they would not comment on the grand jury's decision until their independent investigation into the shooting finished.

1 posted on 01/30/2014 10:55:13 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Just remember the new rules:

You screw up, you pay
The government screws up, you pay
You can’t lie to the government
The government can lie to you


2 posted on 01/30/2014 10:57:04 AM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: dragnet2

Fort Worth PD is really full of these guys. Has been for decades.


3 posted on 01/30/2014 11:00:42 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dragnet2

Defending your home can sometimes prove fatal.

To defend your home from the police or the state could prove fatal with no consequences for the murderers.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 11:02:02 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: dragnet2
As always, no details.

I'll get the popcorn anyways........

5 posted on 01/30/2014 11:02:34 AM PST by onona (The entitlement army doesn’t vote for candidates, they vote for gravy.)
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To: dragnet2

As terrible as this decision appears, at least it was taken by a JURY instead of a police chief, or a prosecutor.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 11:03:29 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: dragnet2
"Chief Jerry Halstead of the Fort Worth Police says he hopes the grand jury's decision will help start the healing process for both the Waller family and the cop"

The Chief is delusional. Justice and the healing process have not even begun. Hopefully, the killers and their Chief will be held to justice somewhere in the future.

7 posted on 01/30/2014 11:04:01 AM PST by Truth29
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To: All

This sounds like something that would happen in Florida.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 11:04:05 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: dragnet2

What happened - was he wearing a dog costume?


9 posted on 01/30/2014 11:04:22 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: henkster

So much for moving to Fort Worth, TX...


10 posted on 01/30/2014 11:05:14 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: dragnet2

The should make the family pay for the blood to be cleaned off the officers clothes, and for the ammo.


11 posted on 01/30/2014 11:05:17 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: dragnet2

At least the police got to go home that night. /sarc


12 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:19 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: dragnet2

Bad guys - stupid criminals with long hair

Good guys - stupid criminals with short hair


13 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:35 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Truth29

I hope the family sues and sues and sues.....cops are hired by WE THE PEOPLE....they are our servants.....they do OUR bidding....and yet they can go to the wrong house and kill a guy for protecting his own home....


14 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:52 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: dragnet2
According to a search warrant affidavit released by the Star-Telegram in July,

Am I understanding that correctly? The cops got a search warrant to investigate a burglary?

That does not sound right.

15 posted on 01/30/2014 11:07:29 AM PST by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.)
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To: dragnet2

He may not have heard them. Either way, the bastards were at the wrong house and killed an innocent man. They should be fired and sent to prison for manslaughter at the very least.


16 posted on 01/30/2014 11:08:07 AM PST by ZULU (Magua is sitting in the Oval Office. Ted Cruz/Phil Robertson in 2016.)
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To: dragnet2

That’s BS! -— police need to be held accountable for such negligence...and I’m a former LE officer...it’s just the right thing to do...they screwed up - and a citizen died...


17 posted on 01/30/2014 11:10:32 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: dragnet2

As usual, the police absolve themselves of all wrong doing.


18 posted on 01/30/2014 11:11:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: dragnet2
it seems, IF you call the police; THEN you'll pay w/your property
or your life @ risk and your beloved friends & animals, too.

19 posted on 01/30/2014 11:13:16 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: dragnet2
That's the cops' story.
With no other witnesses (alive) they'll be sticking to it.
20 posted on 01/30/2014 11:14:34 AM PST by AU72
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To: dragnet2

Looks like we’ll have to expand the rules for cops to
“There’s no situation that cannot be made worse by the presence of a cop and if they screw up and go to the wrong address, the encounter could be deadly!”


21 posted on 01/30/2014 11:15:09 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Michael.SF.

That does sound strange. If the cops are called to investigate a burglary in progress, the last thing they will do is stop to get a search warrant (which would not be required in that case). And in the middle of the night, no less.


22 posted on 01/30/2014 11:16:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
>>>>>According to the cops: The two officers encountered an armed Waller near the corner of his home, told them they were police and to drop his gun. Waller didn't drop his gun and instead raised it at Hoeppner who proceeded to fatally shoot the senior citizen seven times.<<<<<<

This was what the cops told the Grand Jury? He raised his gun at the cops???

Why in tarnation would a law abiding citizen do that?

No sale

23 posted on 01/30/2014 11:16:04 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: WayneS

Not exactly. It was a grand jury, not a trial jury. Who knows what evidence the DA didn’t present?


24 posted on 01/30/2014 11:17:57 AM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: dragnet2; null and void; Alaska Wolf

Latest vaseline JB story for wolfie. (He might look into buyin’ the stuff in 55 gallon barrels....lots of play lately!)


25 posted on 01/30/2014 11:19:06 AM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: cherry

> .cops are hired by WE THE PEOPLE....they are our
> servants.....they do OUR bidding.

The military is for fighting enemies of the State.

The police are for protecting and serving the people.

When the police become militarized, the people become enemies of the State.


26 posted on 01/30/2014 11:19:48 AM PST by Westbrook ()Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: dragnet2

Years ago, a man, not in uniform, pointed a gun at me and ordered me to freeze. I didn’t. Then there were cops in uniform all over me. He demanded to know why I didn’t freeze. I screamed at him, “You weren’t in uniform. You never identified yourself. I thought I was being mugged.”

My guess is, they never identified themselves. Their story may be a lie. But only they know and they’ll probably convince themselves that they did.


27 posted on 01/30/2014 11:21:54 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: dragnet2
Being a cop is a tough and sometimes scary job. It does require the ability to read numbers and addresses. I'd like to know if the cop messed up the address or the dispatcher did but that is just curiosity. This family needs to get the best and most ruthless lawyer they can find and rip this department to shreds. The LEO’s had no legal reason to be there this is all on them.

I also have to question the grand jury on this one. Someone made a mistake and that was pure negligence and the LEO did in fact kill a totally innocent man, that is homicide. So by definition a negligent homicide did occur. The castle doctrine, SYG, self defense, and the fourth amendment all fall on the side of the guy who was shot.

I believe that this was an accident, BUT, those responsible for this accident must be held legally and criminally responsible. Responding LEO's in the future must know that a mistake of this kind will have very harsh and real consequences.

The IA investigation in this incident should be open to the public. The DA should be required to release all information obtained in interviews and during investigation. The public should be made fully aware of what happened before and after this homicide and why charges were not brought against the LEO who pulled the trigger. There should be an unobscured view of exactly who made what mistakes and how it all went down.

All of these things will come out in a civil case anyway. We the people pay for all of this and the information should be public.

28 posted on 01/30/2014 11:22:13 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: dragnet2
He raised his gun at the cops??? Why in tarnation would a law abiding citizen do that?

Can't say for sure regarding the deceased, but if I wasn't convinced the people breaking into my house for no reason were police, I might raise my gun.

29 posted on 01/30/2014 11:24:34 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Truth29
". Hopefully, the killers and their Chief will be held to justice somewhere in the future. "

Like under a tree.

30 posted on 01/30/2014 11:26:29 AM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: dragnet2

uhm why didn’t they just TURN ON THE LIGHTS so they could find the bad guys?


31 posted on 01/30/2014 11:28:18 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: oldenuff2no

I wonder if the family is going to sue and if a legal fund can be set up to help them pursue justice? Then, if they win, the healing can begin, not as the Chief of Police stated after the decision not to prosecute the cops.


32 posted on 01/30/2014 11:28:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: dragnet2

Did you think that he would be charged?


33 posted on 01/30/2014 11:29:20 AM PST by sport
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To: cherry
I hope the family sues and sues and sues.....

They better win. Texas is a 'loser pays' state. And even if they win, tort reform caps their payout.

34 posted on 01/30/2014 11:31:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: dragnet2

Didn’t the cops in Fort Worth shoot another senior citizen in Fort Worth last year (in his own driveway)? I thought there were some threads here on FR about the earlier shooting.


35 posted on 01/30/2014 11:32:02 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The Second Amendment makes all the other amendments possible)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

My guess is it’s more crappy reporting.

They probably had a warrant to look for goods that were at a
place(wrong place in this case) related to coming from a burglary.

The family will sue, taxpayers will pay, cops will get a paid vacation.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 11:33:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: dragnet2

Sorry for your loss family.

However, any sane person knows you don’t go outside with a gun unless you know what you’re doing and who is there.

The cop’s excessive shooting should have been noted.
Also they’re picking the wrong house. That can be avoided....Too eager.

Both parties are to blame.


37 posted on 01/30/2014 11:35:29 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Westbrook
When the police become militarized, the people become enemies of the State.

That is not correct.

The police become militarized, because the State has already become the enemy of the People.


38 posted on 01/30/2014 11:35:56 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: cherry
"....they are our servants....."

That is your first mistake.

".....they do OUR bidding...."

That is mistake number 2. First, they are not your servants, they are your overseers, to keep you in place for their masters.

Number 2 they do the bidding of their masters, the politician. hell with you [and me].

39 posted on 01/30/2014 11:36:00 AM PST by sport
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To: dragnet2

If a person busts in my house with a gun and I’ve done nothing wrong why would I take their word at face value that 1. he is really a cop, and 2. even if he is a cop, that he has good intentions?
There are many reports of gangs that dress in SWAT gear that says FBI on their jackets.
If that buys them a few seconds of reluctance on the part of the armed homeowner that’s all they need.
We can thank the never ending war on drugs for all this nonsense.
I guess innocent Americans getting killed in their homes by their own government is just the price we pay to live in such a loving nanny state. Sheesh.


40 posted on 01/30/2014 11:37:35 AM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: AU72

If there were any witnesses, that is the story they will/would be sticking to also. That is if they want to continue living.


41 posted on 01/30/2014 11:39:54 AM PST by sport
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To: Kackikat

And Fort Worth is very high on the list of cities with underfunded pensions.

You think these guys are a problem today, just wait a few years until they discover their retirement benefits are never going to happen.


42 posted on 01/30/2014 11:40:28 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yea, reading the article makes you think theres so many problem with the police version of event. It could simply be bad reporting


43 posted on 01/30/2014 11:45:29 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: Gen.Blather

Several years ago my Dad was at home by himself on a cool summer evening and had the house locked up tight and his bedroom window was open and he only had the tv on. He heard someone open the back gate and with their flashlight was working their way through the backyard. My Dad retrieved his .357 magnum and stepped over to the side of the window out of sight and waited.

In a minute or two the goober with the flashlight steps up to the window and starts looking in. At that point my Dad cocked the magnum and roared don’t move! The guy behind the flashlight starts screaming don’t shoot me John! Don’t shoot me! I’m officer so-and-so and quickly put his light on his badge and then face.

My Dad asked him what in the world you are doing? His response, oh you only had one car in your drive way and it’s usually full(it was but Mom and all the kids were away at once) and I thought that was unusual and was checking things out. Dad didn’t quite buy what he was shoveling.

A couple of years earlier, same police department a half a mile down the road, same thing officer snooping around in the dark and their dept. wore black uniforms got drew down on by that neighbor until he shined the light on his badge and uniform.

Sounds like mistakes were made by the cops and the victim. One just because you say you are the police means nothing in the dark, so me some visible ID. Second the homeowner should have called the police and stayed inside to engage in home invasion or break in.


44 posted on 01/30/2014 11:46:16 AM PST by sarge83
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To: Gen.Blather

Leave us not forget that not every person claiming to be a cop is telling the truth.

The guys who mowed everybody down at the Valentine’s Day Massacre not only claimed to be cops, they were in uniform.

The saddest part of this sad story is that if Pops had successfully defended his home (albeit under a misapprehension of his need to do so) he might very well have been charged with a capital crime.


45 posted on 01/30/2014 11:46:36 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: onona

Of course you are going to be a little thin on details when only one side survives the encounter...


46 posted on 01/30/2014 11:48:37 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: dragnet2

Prayers out to the family of the murdered. Why are there no consequences for searching the wrong address? What is up with this sovereign immunity crap?

More cops make it home safely.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 11:59:03 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Earlier thread from July 27, 2013. . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3047876/posts


48 posted on 01/30/2014 12:06:45 PM PST by deks
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To: dragnet2
Strange, none of this appeared in any American news source.
49 posted on 01/30/2014 12:11:48 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: dragnet2

If the details in the article are correct I gotta go with the cops on this one. Someone points a gun at me I have to assume they’re going to shoot with a very good chance at killing me. No way I’m going to just stand there if I were a cop.


50 posted on 01/30/2014 12:16:42 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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