Skip to comments.News: The real story you're not hearing about the Atlanta Ice Down
Posted on 01/30/2014 4:55:25 PM PST by Kaslin
Bad storm. Terrific people.
The whole country is talking about the Atlanta Ice Down, and I know you've all heard the stories of people being stuck in traffic for 11 hours. The way the story is being told, it must sound like those of us in the Southeast have no idea what to do when a few snowflakes start coming down.
But the main national stories didnt tell the whole story about what happened.
The problem was not that two or three inches of snow fell. Believe it or not, southerners can handle driving in two or three inches of snow. The problem was that, as the snow fell, it was melting upon hitting the ground and then freezing. Throughout the day, that was turning road surfaces into ice rinks.
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I worked for a company in Nashville that was just acquired by new management out of Denver. They laughed when we started closing early because of the potential of snow.
They weren’t laughing the next morning. They thought they could drive in snow. Add a bunch of hills and a layer of ice, and they figured out they weren’t as smart as they thought they were.
I,ve heard it mentioned that he is.
Ol’ Mohammet was in Switzerland partying it up with a bunch of global warming frauds and could not be reached for comment. I swear you can’t even satarize these people, they will just find a way to sink lower than the satire.
Black ice is a killer. In places like Atlanta, they are prepared for snow but not Black Ice....no one is.
That’s because it doesn’t fit the Left’s narrative. They want people to suffer. DIE, YOU RIGHT-WING NUTJOBS, DIE!
I live in Minnesota, and we always have problems the first snowfall of the year. People talk, around here, about how fast people forget how to drive on snow, but the truth is that the first snowfall on unfrozen roads is different.
How unusual. Snow falling on roads and then forming ice. Geez.
Hey Atlanta, salt the damn road.
“Black ice is a killer. In places like Atlanta, they are prepared for snow but not Black Ice....no one is.”
Agree. I’ve been driving in upstate NY for over 30 winters now. Black ice is the worst condition to drive in.
Call it ice, jes plain ol’ ice.
Snow turns into ice on roads. They aren't prepared for snow if they aren't prepared for ice.
We are used to it happening occasionally here in Nebraska. But sometimes there is just nothing that works. Salt it down and wind blows across and it freezes right back up. Sometimes all you can do is get off the road.
Exactly, I got the same snowstorm as Atlanta and no one can drive normally on roads that have been snowed on, the snow melted and then refrozen into a sheet of smooth, slick ice. And if that happens in a large city, you get what we saw in Atlanta.
The problem this week was that the snows started in the morning after most people had gone to work, or gone to school, or wherever. And then the streets and roads were dangerous in the afternoon when folks needed to head home, either early or at their normal time. - Of anyone had had a good weather crystal ball, everyone would have stated at home the morning the snow came.
Our snows usually come at night and melt away before noon, but this one came in the morning and stayed for two full days, and it is unusual for snow to stick around that long in most of the South.
This storm was a bit different. I drove through Charlotte at 1900hrs and the brine treatment actually made the situation worse. The initial snow melted and then refroze quickly. I-85 along with 77 was an ice rink but we didn’t get the rush hour mess Atlanta dealt with.
I made it home @30mph in triple the time. Folks were using the inside lanes and not trying to rush. I was proud of my fellow travelers on 85N.
85S was a parking lot. LOL.
Lots of snow, wind, blizzard conditions during rush hour and cold temperatures here this year in NY.
They treat the roads with salt and sand. We've had very few problems.
Here is what I posted on another thread...
It was interesting to me to see the difference between
republican and democrat in their response to
snowmagedden, the governor (Deal) and his Ga. Fema
head both were on the air apologizing and accepting
responsibiliy for the mistakes made...
Mayor Reed (D.Atlanta) basically said it wasnt
any of him, so he didnt apologize but cast aspersions
Seemed to me plain how the differnet partys deal with
I also heard a lot of stories of good Samaritans.
In one instance, the cooks and help at a Waffle house
could not make it to work, so various customers took
over taking orders, busing tables, doing dishes
and even some of the cooking.
This is the kind of self reliance that has always been
the trademark of Americans. while it would have been
nice for government to have been better prepared,
the people must stand on their own, it is what made
America possible and the country it was and still is
today despite all Obama and the demorats do to destroy
“Black ice is a killer.”
Yup, black stuff is a killer...especially black ice. Much more racist than white ice...
I lived in Ireland for several years...’78 - ‘81 ... black ice was ‘invented’ there, and algore had nothing to do with it...none of this internet $hit. Black ice is insipid, and no warning...until you loose it...not so bad though when alone on an Irish road with no other traffic...gets the heart pounding though...especially in the mountains where it’s 100 feet or more down a mountain side if you loose it!
OMG that's racist!
But the Gov is a Republican...and Atlanta is where the “state government” resides. Can’t blame this one in a party. “They” all screwed this one up.
That is indeed a problem and one in which I was involved in two weeks ago. It took me an hour and a half to drive 44 miles along I-696 here in S.E. Michigan simply because the Oakland County road commission wasn't out salting the freeway......totally their fault!
As soon as I hit the Macomb County line, the trucks had already been out and the ice was melting........
I'm giving Atlanta the benefit of the doubt since they're not familiar with how to deal with these extreme weather conditions and they probably didn't have the resources in terms of trucks and salt to deal with it......
As far as blaming it on the drivers, well, the worst highway conditions will bring out the worst results in even the best drivers.......there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
Hate to sound nasty but ... so what?
This is why you call your DOT out to pretreat surfaces. The fact that you weren't prepared for basic preventative road maintenance is the issue. There is nothing unusual about any of the occurrences cited in this article, and yes, if you understood how to "handle a little snow" this would have been done.
Absolutely not. if it snows in a large city that treats their roads, you don't get what you saw in Atlanta.
Naw dawg! Ya'll crackas don't understand. Black ice be bustin' caps on them motarists!"
I remember here in Dallas it happened several years ago, took me six hours to drive home in a normal half-hour commute.
In some of the more “sensitive” parts of the country it’s called “clear ice.” Although that may be offensive to Scientologists...
Not so sure Arlanta is prepared for snow OR ice...heard they only have 9 snowplows? But why have them sitting in a truck yard for 20 years to wait for the next snowstorm? Answer here is not plows(etc) but taking precautions when the weather is threatening...staggering leaving times and keeping the kids out of the school busses is the answer, they’ll get ripped for erring on the side if caution, but better than this!
For crying out loud, can’t these people find a way to take care of themselves without relying on gubment?
Step one - stay home
I live in Minnesota, and we always have problems the first snowfall of the year
Dittos from Iowa.
I grew up in ice storm country and I know how bad they are. We hardly ever get them in Denver and people here don’t know how to deal with them.
“I live in Minnesota, and we always have problems the first snowfall of the year.”
Ah, but in Atlanta (and much of Tennessee) the first snowfall of the year may be their only snowfall of the year. In that context they cope equal or better than you might. And no where in Minnesota will you find the kind of traffic you find in Atlanta. Even on a warm sunny day at noon, when traffic would be expected to be light, it likely would shiver your timbers!
These conditions have caught a lot of people by surprise even in the extreme northern latitudes of Chicagoland. Last weekend I-65 from Indy to Chicago became treacherous, as there were stretches where blowing snow iced over the highway, even though the road seemed clear coming up on these spots. This led to many spinouts and minor collisons.
There were several fatalities in a giant pileup on I-90 in Northern Indiana due to a sudden “lake effect” snow squall.
... we’re all in it together.
Last year DC when through a similar situation; it started raining and freezing on the roads. The problem was the fuel efficient cars which are too light and have no traction. It only took two or three getting stuck and sliding all over to back up the traffic. Once a few is stuck the rest, as they say, is history. Heavier SUVs that can handle the road conditions are worthless. Instead, people were stranded for 8-10 hours in rush hour. Fortunately, I had left early when it was raining.
While driving in ice IS a problem, you'll never hear mention from the media 1) the problem of driving these light weight cars in adverse conditions, and 2) what happens in an accident in one of these cars.
God forbid a liberal lived 50yrs ago when forecasts were iffy at best. How did they make it to present day irresponsible utopia?
Liberals are the weakest link to all that is life. period.
I lost it and wrecked my '78 MG back in 1979 while doing only 30 MPH on a freeway when I realized I was on Ice and attempted to steer to the right in order to drive on the snowy shoulder.
I did everything right, took foot off accelerator, depressed the clutch and tried to slowly steer to my right. As soon as I turned the steering wheel, the car went into a spin/slide that I couldn't control and I landed on top of a guard rail........
Yeah, I kind of figured that out. I made a few business trips to Denver and saw the snow blow off the roads on it’s own. It’s a dry snow out there. We usually get a layer of black ice with snow on top.
I see a combination of factors.
First, the Atlanta grid has a major loop belt but it is a long way out from the center of the city. Its normal traffic is about 7 lanes each way as are other interstates. It is often a giant parking lot from an accident coupled with a shower.
The jams are normal and on this occasion we had everyone hit the road at the same time.
Due to lack of snowfall there is a lack of road equipment — think ten percent of what a upper midwest city has and remember this is about six times the vehicles of a city like Indianapolis.
When plows have some clearing done, the movement of traffic keeps the roads from freezing — unless, unless, all the cars are hardly moving and then the snow just melts as it pulls the heat from the roadbed and then re-freezes — and that is what happened here. Likewise the jammed roads wouldn’t allow the plows to get through on any sort of regular basis in a timely manner so the short equipment cleared even less than they would have at a 10:00 PM storm.
Then they could not get back to reload salt — the roads were now parking lots.
As the storm grew worse, people realized their kids and grandmothers were trapped and they took to the road with determination to “get through.” Accidents escalated.
Just as we shouldn’t look as government as the solution to all problems, we shouldn’t blame them for all events. Prudence and preparation are each person’s best protection. I have had days like this develop and dismissed my whole office at 9:30 am before anyone else even thought about it. Waiting till noon is stupid — they are all looking out the window watching it start and wondering — productivity is at 30% already, send them home and don’t wait till noon.
Happened to me one time in a neat little Fiat I had...no more than a year or two before your incident. Minor damage, and the guardrail was a good thing in my instance. Continued on at an even slower pace!
Lol, absolutely yes, in the South the problematic snowstorms come less than once a year and it is unpredictable when a snow might be heavy enough and stick around long enough to cause problems.
No forecaster was predicting a problem situation this week, just some mix of snow and rain of about two inches. The problems developed during the early to mid-morning and were not evident until afternoon.
It would be a waste of time and money to try and treat streets and roads extensively for these southern snows which rarely last more than 24 hours. And by the time any roads are treated after the problem occurs, the snow will be melting on its own. The best approach is to simply stay home when the roads become dangerous, but folks had already left home when they became dangeous this week.
Both survived. I think it was worse on the new father than her and the baby!