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JAN. 26 - General Douglas McArthur - Supreme Commander, Southwest Pacific Area
http://archive.constantcontact.com ^ | January 26, 2014 | William J. Federer

Posted on 01/30/2014 7:09:06 PM PST by NKP_Vet

Douglas MacArthur was born JANUARY 26, 1880.

He commanded in France during World War I.

He was superintendent of West Point, 1919-20.

At age 30, he became the youngest Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army.

A four-star general, he retired in 1939, but returned in 1941 to defend the Philippines.

When Japan invaded, President Roosevelt ordered him to Australia, but not before he promised "I shall return."

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General Douglas MacArthur warned in a speech to the Salvation Army, December 12, 1951, stating:

"History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline.

There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster."

1 posted on 01/30/2014 7:09:06 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Gen. Mac ping


2 posted on 01/30/2014 7:16:10 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Hmm? Would have thought by now there would be several posts telling us about what various articles in The Nation had to say about MacArthur.
3 posted on 01/30/2014 7:21:38 PM PST by fso301
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To: NKP_Vet

William J. Federer is hilarious.

An accountant turned television historian. Very funny that anyone but religious kooks would take him seriously.

/My father met MacArthur as a teenaged Marine in Korea. Said he was the biggest As!hole he ever met.

//As a professional historian, I consider him a fairly good general who surrounded himself with an excellent staff.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 7:24:37 PM PST by warchild9
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To: fso301

What does the The Nation have to do with Douglas McArthur?
Liberals hated him.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 7:25:45 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet
At age 30, he became the youngest Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army.

He became Chief of Staff in 1930 at age 50. Dealing with the severe budget cuts the Army faced during the Depression was intensely painful for him.

6 posted on 01/30/2014 7:26:03 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: NKP_Vet
What does the The Nation have to do with Douglas McArthur? Liberals hated him.

If you've read some of the anti-MacArthur posts around here, you'd understand what I meant.

7 posted on 01/30/2014 7:28:09 PM PST by fso301
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To: warchild9
As a professional historian, I consider him a fairly good general who surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

He got caught flat footed at least 3 times. He should have been sacked after the first fiasco. He got a lot of good soldiers killed through his incompetence.

8 posted on 01/30/2014 7:49:23 PM PST by PAR35
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To: warchild9
MacArthur found out Charles Lindbergh was in the south pacific and had him come to Australia for a meeting.

During their visit, he found out that Lindbergh could increase the range of P38 fighters by 700 miles by properly adjusting the engine controls.

MacArthur had him go around to the Army units and teach the pilots how to do it.

That is what started the Island hopping strategy where they didn't need to capture every inland for air strips.

It also made it possible to have enough range to shoot down Yamamoto.

9 posted on 01/30/2014 7:56:01 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: NKP_Vet

Bill Federer’s article is all well and good but historians seem to forget that Admiral Husband Kimmel & Major General Walter Short got canned for Washington’s failure to warn them about the code breaks of the planned Japanese attack on Pearl; yet MacArthur was lauded for his “I shall return” after he was grossly derelict for letting his Air Force get caught flat footed on the ground by the Japanese attack on Luzon. The Japanese Army swiftly overrun Luzon despite being outnumbered 3:2 by force under MacArthur. Add that to his savage attack on the “Bonus Army” and his insistence to Nuke North Korea and it comes out as grossly incompetent. Best thing Harry Truman did was to fire this egotistical, overbearing arse. American Caesar? What a joke!


10 posted on 01/30/2014 7:57:30 PM PST by Tango Whiskey Papa (MacArthur, Pearl Harbor, Luzon)
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To: PAR35

His Inchon landing was a brilliant maneuver. Everyone told him it would not work but not only worked, it worked perfectly.

MacArthur believed the Japanese would attack the Phillipines by air and land. He set up a series of scout positions to spot incoming aircraft. Since the system was brand new they were getting a lot of false reports.

MacArthur thinking the Japanese would attack on the day they did, sent all their aircraft into the air so they would not be sitting ducks on the ground. They began to get low on fuel so they checked to make sure no reports of Japanese planes had come in. It turned out they had gotten one report of a sighting. They held the planes in the air waiting for confirmation. The planes had to land and since there had been no other reports they brought them down for refueling.

As luck would have it, the Japanese attacked just as they were landing. the Americans could not have been more unlucky. McArthur basically did all he could have been expected to do.


11 posted on 01/30/2014 8:03:02 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: NKP_Vet

For tomorrow.


12 posted on 01/30/2014 8:07:46 PM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: NKP_Vet; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: General Douglas McArthur [sic] and At age 30, he became the youngest Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army.

You spelling in the title is incorrect ( MacArthur not McArthur) and the above fact from your source (http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs155/1108762609255/archive/1116360892946.html) is flat wrong for if it where true, Doug (Born 1880) would have been Chief of Staff in 1910 only seven years after he left West Point in the Class of 1903.

The truth is he became Chief of Staff in 1930 at age 50.

13 posted on 01/30/2014 8:47:44 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2; NKP_Vet; NFHale; GOPsterinMA

It’s probably a mere typo, wrote 30 instead of 50. Given the usual age of top generals I’d say 50 probably did make him the youngest Army COS.


14 posted on 01/30/2014 9:56:01 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

MacArthur would have made a hell of a better president than Eisenhower,who was basically remembered for having heartattacks and letting the Russians overtake us in ICBMs.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 10:18:04 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: Bender2

He also held the Five Star rank.

• George C. Marshall (16 Dec 1944)
• Douglas MacArthur (18 Dec 1944)
• Dwight D. Eisenhower (20 Dec 1944)
• Henry H. Arnold (21 Dec 1944)
• Omar Bradley (20 Sep 1950)

Fleet Admirals (5 star)

• William D. Leahy (15 Dec 1944)
• Ernest J. King (17 Dec 1944)
• Chester W. Nimitz (19 Dec 1944)
• William F. Halsey, Jr. (11 Dec 1945)


16 posted on 01/30/2014 10:22:01 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: NKP_Vet; NFHale; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; KC_Lion; ...

I agree 1000%. I really wish MacArthur would have run in either ‘52 or even ‘48.

Compared to most other 20th Century Presidents, Ike looks pretty good (post-Coolidge he’s easily 2nd after Reagan), but that’s saying VERY little. The guy was a moderate and not cut out for political leadership. The party did badly under him, he won reelection in 1956 with no net coattails and the 1958 midterm was an epic disaster.


17 posted on 01/30/2014 10:45:48 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: NKP_Vet

He was a truly an astounding man, despite his human faults.


18 posted on 01/31/2014 12:46:21 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: warchild9

“My father met MacArthur as a teenaged Marine in Korea. Said he was the biggest As!hole he ever met.”

Asked with the deepest possible respect for your father, is it unusual that a teenaged fire-eater thinks a 70-year-old authority figure is an asshole?


19 posted on 01/31/2014 12:49:22 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Tango Whiskey Papa
MacArthur was lauded for his “I shall return” after he was grossly derelict for letting his Air Force get caught flat footed on the ground by the Japanese attack on Luzon. The Japanese Army swiftly overrun Luzon despite being outnumbered 3:2 by force under MacArthur.

You like so many have gained your understanding of MacArthur from the Left plus perhaps a bit of piling on by Navy people. He was not caught flat footed on Dec 8, 1941, the fickle finger of fate struck and the Gods of war just happened to be on the Japanese side at that time.

Add that to his savage attack on the “Bonus Army”

There was no savage attack and the genuine veterans had already gone home. What he removed from D.C. were the Occupy types of that era who came spoiling for a fight. You should go back and read primary sources of the incident, not what the Left later says happened.

20 posted on 01/31/2014 4:20:45 AM PST by fso301
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To: PAR35
He got caught flat footed at least 3 times.

Only if you believe the Left's version of history.

21 posted on 01/31/2014 4:22:53 AM PST by fso301
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My Father was a Marine so he was required by law to dislike Douglas MacArthur.

It's a Marine Thing.

22 posted on 01/31/2014 5:08:51 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: fso301

So he didn’t leave his planes bunched on the tarmac after learning about Pearl Harbor? He didn’t fail to have his troops ready for the North Korean invasion of South Korea? And he didn’t overextend his lines and fail to prepare for the Chinese counterattack?


23 posted on 01/31/2014 5:41:14 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Dan(9698)
It also made it possible to have enough range to shoot down Yamamoto.

I once thought that, too. However, I checked the dates and found that that is incorrect. Yamamoto was shot down long before Lindbergh went to the South Pacific. At the time Yamamoto was shot down, Lindbergh was in Michigan working for Henry Ford.

24 posted on 01/31/2014 5:51:33 AM PST by jim_trent
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MacArthur got a bad rap.

Picture a commander being told to get out of Dodge, leave your poorly-equipped / supplied command and men behind to face an onslaught of Japanese troops.

43,000 battle-hardened Japanese troops faced off against 15,000 Americans and approx 70,000 poorly-trained, poorly-equipped Filipinos.

The Pacific fleet sat on the bottom of Pearl Harbor. The Far East air fleet was destroyed on the tarmac. The Japanese owned the sky and the sea for the time being.

Those valiant troops on Bataan held the Japs at bay for three months and slaughtered them, all the while performing a fighting retreat further and further into the Bataan jungle, with no hope of resupply, or relief. They did so much damage to the Japs that General Homma was going to commit ritual seppuku in front of the Emperor out of humiliation. One of the reasons the Death March happened was because of the humiliation the Japs endured at the hands of the Americans and Filipino defenders.

FDR ordered MacArthur to leave; the Japanese were broadcasting over the radio, saying they were going to publicly HANG MacArthur and his family when they captured him. FDR ordered him to leave and get to Australia to start to organize and build up there.

And he went back in force later... as he promised.

He planned an amazing landing at Inchon later on in Korea, and was absolutely correct in that China and Russia were the real enemy behind that war.


25 posted on 01/31/2014 5:52:40 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: jim_trent

RE Yamamoto’s shoot down:

That’s an incredible story, one I’ve always been fascinated by... we were “reading their mail” basically, knew where he would be on a specific date and time, sent a squadron after him, and shot him out of the sky over Bougainville in the Solomon Islands.

Pure revenge against the guy who planned Pearl Harbor.

I guess the modern equivalent would be going after and taking out Bin Laden... (and look at the way libs reacted to that).


26 posted on 01/31/2014 5:58:26 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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RE :”He planned an amazing landing at Inchon later on in Korea, and was absolutely correct in that China and Russia were the real enemy behind that war.”

China was behind the eastern (Pacific) part of WWII????Maybe you mean 'after that war'

Having trouble following that.

Mao Zedong didn't take over till 1949.
In fact Europeans lived in China (Shanghai )till Japanese rounded them up. In fact many Jews fled Europe (Hitler) and went to China.

That was clearly the Japanese that started that pretty much on their own, and they are partially responsible for the communists taking over China..

27 posted on 01/31/2014 6:00:44 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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Re-read what I wrote:

”He planned an amazing landing at Inchon later on in Korea, and was absolutely correct in that China and Russia were the real enemy behind that war.”

28 posted on 01/31/2014 6:03:27 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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Okay, okay, maybe I should have clarified by saying “During the KOREAN WAR, later on...”

When our guys went to the Yalu river, China sent 300,000 troops into the war, instead of just weapons and ammunition. And Russian and Chinese pilots were flying NK MiGs against out guys.


29 posted on 01/31/2014 6:06:11 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; KC_Lion; Impy; NKP_Vet; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

You meant Korean war? That makes sense.


30 posted on 01/31/2014 6:06:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs; KC_Lion; Impy; NKP_Vet; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Yes. Sorry bro, I assumed it was evident.


31 posted on 01/31/2014 6:07:51 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: PAR35
So he didn’t leave his planes bunched on the tarmac after learning about Pearl Harbor?

Nope. They had been on high alert and just happened to be caught on the ground refueling. They were bunched up because Clark Field was little more than an airstrip without dispersal areas.

He didn’t fail to have his troops ready for the North Korean invasion of South Korea?

Why not go ahead and blame MacArthur for losing China? Truman is the one that was pulling U.S. forces out of South Korea and not paying attention to Communist provocations.

And he didn’t overextend his lines and fail to prepare for the Chinese counterattack?

At the time, he was fighting the Korean War and was just a few square miles from completing the mission. North Korea was finished. The war would be over once a few remaining square miles of North Korean territory had been mopped up.

Once China invaded, it became an entirely new war, something few historians have pointed out. In processing intelligence reports of a Chinese buildup behind the Yalu, MacArthur may have overestimated Truman and assumed that if the Chinese attacked, Turman would have interpreted it as a brand new war between the U.S. and China. In the meantime, Mao probably had assurances from Stalin that Truman had no intention of widening the conflict.

32 posted on 01/31/2014 6:08:03 AM PST by fso301
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RE :”Okay, okay, maybe I should have clarified by saying “During the KOREAN WAR, later on...”

You switched wars on me too fast to follow.

I always liked those history subjects.

33 posted on 01/31/2014 6:08:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs; KC_Lion; Impy; NKP_Vet; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

I have a draft of a letter, written in the 1950s by my wife’s paternal grandfather, bitching at President Truman for relieving MacArthur in Korea.

Her grandfather was actually a Spanish-American War vet, believe it or not; ran away from home and joined the Navy at 15 years old (obviously lied about his age) and was at Manila with Dewey’s fleet. We have mail with letterhead that reads “Spanish American War Veterans Association” on it.

He takes Truman to task for relieving MacArthur and “placating all the leftover communists from FDR in your administration”.

There are many cross-outs and re-writes, but it’s clear he was pretty passionate about it.

Funny... they had the same idiots to deal with in the Democrat party then as we do now; except now, the democrats are completely communist, as opposed to just having some within their midst.


34 posted on 01/31/2014 7:06:19 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: KC_Lion

That’s a LIE!


35 posted on 01/31/2014 7:12:47 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: NFHale; KC_Lion; Impy; NKP_Vet; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

While I could never watch it, I never got the humor, its amazing how anti-Korean war TV comedy MASH became so popular.

Its replayed on ME-TV now. In the 1980s re-runs of it saturated the airwaves.

My father and his brother seemed to like it(both enlisted in WWII) , personally I prefer Hogan’s Heroes by far.


36 posted on 01/31/2014 7:16:53 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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“MASH” had some funny episodes, but I can’t stomach Alan Alda and that other left-wing idiot Ferrel.

Hogan’s Heroes, yes. Funny show.


37 posted on 01/31/2014 7:54:50 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

And he was fired by a commander-in-chief that didn’t want to win wars by the name of Harry Truman. This notion of going to fight wars with no intention to win them has cost this country mightily in tax dollar and human life ever, and respect around the world. It all started in Korea when the little no-knowing Harry Truman fired one of the greatest general officers in the history of the country. Obama reminds of Truman, firing generals that actually want to win wars.


38 posted on 01/31/2014 8:26:50 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Truman at least was an American who served honorably in WWI (artillery).

Whatever else Harry may or may not have been, he’s got that to his credit. I don’t think he hated his own country.

Teleprompter boy.... not so much.


39 posted on 01/31/2014 8:40:43 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
re Korea, a little known fact is that Truman secured the enemy flank by ordering the 7th fleet to patrol the Taiwan straight. Prior to Truman's securing the enemy flank the Chicoms had hundreds of thousand to troops there guarding against a possible invasion by Chai Ki Chech (sp?). Guess where those troops went once Truman assured the Chicoms there would be no invasion? Yup Korea, Truman was a complete fool. The general, just by threatening the Chinese flank, had taken the Chinese out of the picture and had victory in sight. Truman's stupidity cost tens of thousands of American lives. Oh and just prior to North Korea invading South Korea, Truman ordered Mac to withdraw all US forces from Korea and declared Korea outside the US sphere of influence. Basically saying the USA did not give a damn about Korea.

In any REAL history MacArthur was one of history's great commanders. He made mistakes for sure, but not many and not often. He has also the most decorated American of WW1, decorated for bravery in action.

40 posted on 01/31/2014 8:56:05 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

Truman, then Eisenhower abandoned some 6,000 MIAs from the war. Some were shipped to Russian gulags and some spent years in prison in North Korea.


41 posted on 01/31/2014 11:49:10 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: jim_trent
I read Lindbergh's wartime journal some time ago.

I apparently misremember some of the stuff in it.

42 posted on 01/31/2014 3:51:31 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: jpsb

Sometimes, I have to wonder if the smearing of men like MacArthur is just more of the same BS that we’ve been subjected to by leftwing “teachers”.

Just one more American to tarnish, from OUR PEOPLE’s history, culture, traditions, and heritage.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 7:10:37 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

The left and the fools educated by the left absolutely HATE MacArthur. Ike lost more troops in one battle then “the General” lost in the entire war. His generalship in the Pacific compares with the greatest commanders in history. Dido Korea if Truman had not sent the 7th fleet to guard the Chinese flank. To this day I am still dumbfounded at Truman’s incompetence as commander in chief.


44 posted on 01/31/2014 7:31:20 PM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

“...The left and the fools educated by the left absolutely HATE MacArthur...”

They hate ANYTHING that portrays Americans and America in a positive light.

They’re trying to deconstruct us as a Nation, as a people, and as a culture. And old hardcore goats like us just keep on resisting it.

I will. Always.


45 posted on 01/31/2014 7:37:57 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: jpsb

Also, one more thing (and not directed at you, but in general):

Something that annoys the hell out of me is when folks think they have a better idea for what a man should have done under certain circumstances than what he actually did - without actually BEING there when those decisions were made.

It’s always easy for people to sit here, 73 years later, and criticize what the General did or didn’t do, and list his “mistakes” and faults - all based on what personal bias or what was taught in “history” books written by folks who may or may not have had an ax to grind.

I prefer to learn history from folks that lived it. I’ve spoken with MANY WWII vets (I was raised by them); I’ve asked them questions about Patton, MacArthur, Ridgeway, Gavin, Bradley, Ike, etc., and THEIR experiences and viewpoints of these historical people. Most of them had similar responses: “they did what they could, with what they had, and made it work.”

Her in 2014, none of us were there when those events were taking place in those jungle islands, and we view things from the 20,000 foot view, knowing the outcome of things because they already happened.

MacArthur and the men of that time did not have that luxury; those life-threatening events were happening TO them, and the minute-to-minute decisions they made or didn’t make had grave consequences, which weighed heavily on them. Men lived or died based on what they decided, and anyone who hasn’t been in command of people in war has ZERO idea what that is like.

Playing Armchair General by saying “he should have done THIS, instead of THAT” changes nothing, and shows, at best a complete ignorance. HE was there, at the center of a collapsing world, and he did what he was ordered to do, and made the command decisions HE thought best at the time - it was on HIS back.

Same with Wainwright, King, Kimmel, and Short.


46 posted on 01/31/2014 8:13:41 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj

I haven’t seen much of MASH, didn’t much care for the episodes I did see.

I love how it had the war going on for 11 years or whatever though. LOL. Kinda like how Bart Simpson and the kids from South Park as still in grade school.


47 posted on 01/31/2014 10:11:48 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

It seemed to be a Joe six pack hop on the sofa after work daily TV show.


48 posted on 01/31/2014 10:14:20 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: fso301

“He didn’t fail to have his troops ready for the North Korean invasion of South Korea?”

Cutbacks in defense spending were so severe that he was not given the funds for training.

His chief intelligence officer had staked everything on his analysis holding that the NKs would not attack. He deceived McA.

Yes, I agree that these things were ultimately his responsibility, but consideration of the reasons for these failings can be illuminating.


49 posted on 02/01/2014 11:05:03 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Impy; NFHale; Perdogg; fieldmarshaldj

“I haven’t seen much of MASH, didn’t much care for the episodes I did see.”

MASH: Love the movie, hate the show.


50 posted on 02/02/2014 6:42:03 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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