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Woman asks firefighter to help dying father, firefighter says ‘Not until I am dispatched,’
The Daily Caller ^ | January 30, 2014 | Robby Soave

Posted on 01/30/2014 9:15:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A 77-year-old man died after collapsing across the street from a fire station, where his daughter had asked for immediate assistance and was instead rebuffed by a firefighter who told her he couldn’t help unless dispatch instructed him to intervene.

The man, Medric Cecil Mills, collapsed near the Engine 26 fire station in the Brookland area of Washington, D.C. at about 2:30 p.m. on Saturday. His daughter, Marie Mills, went to the station to beg for immediate medical assistance. But the firefighter she encountered there told her that she had to first call 911 so that dispatch could instruct him to assist the dying man, according to The Washington Post.

“I even ran to the curb and said, ‘Are you going to help me or are you going to let my dad die?’” recalled Marie Mills in a statement to ABC 7.

Aid came too late for Mills, who passed away at the hospital, one hour later.

It is unclear how much of a delay was caused by the firefighter’s inaction. The ambulance that eventually came for Mills was first dispatched to a wrong address, 26 blocks away.

Edward C. Smith, president of the firefighters union, apologized on behalf of the department. D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray has promised that there will be an investigation into the matter.

“When you go to a fire station, you should expect that someone there is going to help you,” said Pedro Ribeiro, a spokesperson for the mayor, in a statement. “This gentleman was not served. We need to answer why he was not served.”

Ribeiro added that Mills should have been helped by the fire department, “protocol be damned.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bluezones; brookland; dc; firstresponders; infamy; medriccecilmills; unions; urban
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1 posted on 01/30/2014 9:15:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Today’s USA in a nutshell, “It’s not my job.”


2 posted on 01/30/2014 9:17:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Shows the efficiency of government bureaucracy.

The man that didn’t help is a despicable human and should be shamed for life.


3 posted on 01/30/2014 9:21:50 PM PST by boycott
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

what a hero.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 9:22:24 PM PST by RC one
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wasn’t in his job description or above his pay grade?


5 posted on 01/30/2014 9:24:36 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“When you go to a fire station, you should expect that someone there is going to help you,” said Pedro Ribeiro, a spokesperson for the mayor, in a statement. “This gentleman was not served. We need to answer why he was not served.”

There is no outrage in the above statement; there is also no hint that the firefighter might, or should, be punished or dismissed.

6 posted on 01/30/2014 9:26:31 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

and they wonder why people aren’t gung ho for more, ever-expanding government.


7 posted on 01/30/2014 9:26:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What can you say, Union Goons! It’s like your pilot has a heart attack and there’s a deadheading pilot in first class who says he can’t work to fly the plane because he precluded from working any more hours without rest. Just shameful.


8 posted on 01/30/2014 9:29:24 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sounds like a really bad story for the professional responder, but I can tell you I gave up my good Samaritan first responder CPR gut credentials ages ago to to liability.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 9:30:28 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: RC one

It is what it is.
Help a stranger for no pay and get sued.


10 posted on 01/30/2014 9:31:27 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This is the union way.
Bureaucracy at its worst.
11 posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:43 PM PST by FreedomGuru (Time for torches and pitchforks.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The man, Medric Cecil Mills, collapsed near the Engine 26 fire station in the Brookland area of Washington, D.C

There's yer answer fishbulb.

This stuff doesn't happen in flyover country.

12 posted on 01/30/2014 9:33:53 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

She was breaking Union rules by making the assumption that the Firefighter’s first priority was lifesaving, when we all know, down deep, that the woman was taking the Union Dispatcher, who needs to be protected, and was taken out of the equation..

Silly girl.. Oh well, her Dad was expendable after all, but those Union jobs are not.. ugh


13 posted on 01/30/2014 9:34:22 PM PST by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: mylife

there are no good samaritan laws in Washington DC? That doesn’t surprise me. As an ER nurse, I can’t imagine not rendering aid in such a case. this guy should have rendered aid.


14 posted on 01/30/2014 9:36:57 PM PST by RC one
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Try setting a bone on scene, try using a training idea like on the count of 3 and then doing it on 1...

Try explaining to your wife and kids why you are being sued.

Liberal’s have ruined the Good Samaritan.
They have ruined the country.


15 posted on 01/30/2014 9:38:31 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

My mother called today and asked if I’d heard about this story. It turns out that the man was the former pastor of an old family friend.

It appears that there was a rookie who didn’t know what to do and a lieutenant who should have known better. Many passersby tried to help, so your assumption that this is typical behavior of the type of people who live in Brookhaven (mostly black), is incorrect. The people helped as best they could. As usual, the government let them down.


16 posted on 01/30/2014 9:39:50 PM PST by radiohead
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To: RC one

I really have no idea, I got out of being a first responder in the late 80’s because it is AFU.

Then even if it goes right you have to go home to wife and kids and pretend nothing happened in your day.

God Bless You.


17 posted on 01/30/2014 9:40:51 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: radiohead

You do not understand the political and legal and emotional problems these people face.


18 posted on 01/30/2014 9:42:28 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: radiohead
Many passersby tried to help, so your assumption that this is typical behavior of the type of people who live in Brookhaven (mostly black), is incorrect. The people helped as best they could. As usual, the government let them down.

Based on my personal experience, black people are more likely to help than not.

19 posted on 01/30/2014 9:44:49 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Not if you white.
Then they sue.


20 posted on 01/30/2014 9:46:05 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

This is not black and white. This IMHO is the Gooberment making people afraid to be neighbors.


21 posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:21 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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Dunno what it is like to be a Union first responder.
All I know is I got out due to liability as a volunteer.


22 posted on 01/30/2014 9:50:05 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That fire fighter needs to be shot.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 9:51:13 PM PST by Octar
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To: Octar

Naw we just need MORE LAWS.


24 posted on 01/30/2014 9:52:50 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: RC one

Can people still sue private citizen volunteers for cracking a few ribs while performing CPR?.

I dunno I quit ages ago.


25 posted on 01/30/2014 9:56:48 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Seaplaner
“This gentleman was not served. We need to answer why he was not served.”

I would say he was neglected to death. This is the Kitty Genovese syndrome only now it is the public safety officers who refuse to do anything.

Welcome to Utopia.

26 posted on 01/30/2014 10:09:29 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: boycott
The man that didn’t help is a despicable human and should be shamed for life.

Only after he's fired!

27 posted on 01/30/2014 10:11:02 PM PST by stevem
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To: Octar
That fire fighter needs to be shot.

I would suggest someone just use some defibrillator paddles on him and after his heart stops, he should be left to fend for himself.

28 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:28 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: radiohead

Did either of them have medical training? If they had no training, they wouldn’t be much use. Same thing if the guy was an ALS patient and they were BLS trained. In either case, though, they should have made the 911 call for her.


29 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:50 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: dfwgator

Unfortunately if the fire fighter had rendered assistance without getting permission, he likely could have been fired.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 10:13:17 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: mylife

Why should that matter? If they can’t handle the “emotional problems” they should find another line of work.


31 posted on 01/30/2014 10:14:30 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Seaplaner

I suspect the fire fighter isn’t at fault. He might not have been allowed to act without authorization.


32 posted on 01/30/2014 10:15:49 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

“Unfortunately if the fire fighter had rendered assistance without getting permission, he likely could have been fired.”

A position required due to decades worth of liability/wrongful death lawsuits, I’m sure.


33 posted on 01/30/2014 10:18:13 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: mylife

“I gave up my good Samaritan first responder CPR gut credentials ages ago to to liability.”

Likewise. Now i’m just an “untrained” Good Samaritan, meaning I’m protected, at least in this state.


34 posted on 01/30/2014 10:19:29 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jonty30

I hope that if I’m ever in that firefighter’s position my humanity will trump “authorization.”


35 posted on 01/30/2014 10:21:03 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: ArmstedFragg

22 years ago, I was running down the highway in Demming NM at 5 AM.
The road was desolate, and suddenly there were bodies in the road.

I got stopped in time, roused a trucker on the CB and got him to block the highway, he placed his rig against all traffic.

I had no idea how to raise the local authorities and asked him to do it.
He did. God Bless Him.

I took to the bodies in the road, knowing that his rig had me safe from being mowed over.
Some were alive, but minutes from death. It was very analytical and fast.
Then I heard moaning of in the dark.
I found the van out in the desert flipped over again and again. I cut them loose.

I have know idea what all I did, but when the professionals got there, They were frantic.
I said she’s dead, her heads snapped.
Her nose is in her cleavage there is no pulse.
They were trying to cut out the dead people while there were live people on scene.

I did my best. But it is difficult for first responders.

I decided long ago that I aint here to save yer life so you can sue me and ruin mine.


36 posted on 01/30/2014 10:30:37 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: clintonh8r

Have you ever done this stuff?


37 posted on 01/30/2014 10:36:12 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: clintonh8r

EMTs have a high burn out rate.


38 posted on 01/30/2014 10:37:06 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Jonty30

There are so many facts we don’t have, that any assumptions about this incident are just that... assumptions. First, are all D.C. stations staffed with firefighter/paramedics? Second, who provides paramedic service in D.C.? Third, who’s the ambulance provider in D.C. Fourth, was the condition of the patient worsened by the extra minute it took for someone to call 911? (Note he died an hour later in hospital) Fifth, did the woman actually correctly understand what she’d been told?

The story’s designed to gin up outrage, and getting the response it intended to get... and some of that might be justified once the actual facts are known... but they aren’t at the moment.

Incidentally, my local unionized fire department has at least one paramedic on every rig, and they routinely handle still alarm calls by grabbing the med bag and hoofing it down the street while the apparatus driver notifies dispatch, then brings down the engine to join them. Indifference to the level of negligence is something I’ve never seen in fifty-plus years of contact with the fire service. I did watch one crew “accidentally” lose control of a hose that was pointed in the direction of a particularly obnoxious, agenda-driven reporter though.


39 posted on 01/30/2014 10:47:52 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: mylife

Nope. I’ve never flown an airliner either but I want somebody in the flight cabin who can put the stress aside and fly the plane, especially when an emergency arises.


40 posted on 01/30/2014 10:48:21 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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When do you make the call?
I whispered in the drivers ear for what seemed like a very long time but was only seconds. I may have yelled to get her attention.

I don’t know. I do know this, I took to the responsive people when the others weren’t responsive.

What can I do?

Limit the death.


41 posted on 01/30/2014 10:48:36 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: clintonh8r
Try flying an airliner. ☺

Seriously.

42 posted on 01/30/2014 10:55:35 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Through instinct, you did what’s actually the normal mass casualty drill these days: a quick eval to see if the patient has a chance, then move on to the next one if not.

If you’re ever involved in one of those incidents and find yourself on the black tarp, crawl over to the red one.


43 posted on 01/30/2014 11:00:31 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

I still feel weird that I cut some of them loose as dead.

What can you do?


44 posted on 01/30/2014 11:03:09 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

What can you do?

Your best.

And that’s what you did.


45 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:28 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Amen.


46 posted on 01/30/2014 11:07:53 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Not around here.


47 posted on 01/30/2014 11:19:25 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well...why didn’t someone just set the father’s pants on fire? Seems logical to me. Sarc. of course.


48 posted on 01/31/2014 12:07:19 AM PST by langleyaction (Embedded within every corrupt system are the seeds of its destruction)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Here’s some enlightening info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_history_of_the_District_of_Columbia_Fire_and_Emergency_Medical_Services_Department#Paramedic_staffing_scandal


49 posted on 01/31/2014 12:08:12 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

DC Democrats in action. Typical incompetence and not caring.

The Fire Department Chief is a complete asshole but he still has his job.

In fact, so do all the other assholes who ruin, er, run, D.C.

One exception - they can give a parking ticket faster than Superman could.

Just another day in the ‘hood.


50 posted on 01/31/2014 1:16:01 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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