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Antioxidants including vitamin E can promote lung cancer: study
Reuters ^ | Jan. 29, 2014 | Sharon Begley

Posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:59 PM PST by Tired of Taxes

(Reuters) - A decades-old medical mystery - why antioxidants such as vitamin E and beta carotene seemed to accelerate the growth of early lung tumors in high-risk populations such as smokers, rather than protect them from cancer, as theory suggests - may have been solved, according to research published on Wednesday.

In essence, "antioxidants allow cancer cells to escape cells' own defense system" against tumors,... That lets existing tumors, even those too small to be detected, proliferate uncontrollably.

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The antioxidants caused a 2.8-fold increase in lung tumors, made the tumors more invasive and aggressive, and caused the mice to die twice as quickly - all compared to mice not given antioxidants.

When the antioxidants were added to human lung tumor cells in lab dishes, they also accelerated cancer growth.

That result jibed with the many studies finding that "antioxidants do not protect against cancer in healthy people and may increase it" or promote it in those who already do, said Bergo.

The significant advance in the study was pinpointing how this can be. What seems to happen is that antioxidants indeed decrease DNA damage, as expected. But the damage becomes so insignificant as to be undetectable by the cell. The cell therefore does not deploy its cancer-defense system, which is based on a protein called p53.

Ordinarily, if the p53 system detects significant DNA damage, such as from ultraviolet light, it kills the cell before it can become malignant. By allowing cancer cells to stay below the radar of p53, antioxidants allow tumors to thrive, the study found.

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(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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This story has been circulating, but I didn't find it posted here yet.
1 posted on 01/30/2014 9:48:59 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

To heck with it all, I’m moving to China and taking up red wine drinking and out of control capitalism!


2 posted on 01/30/2014 9:50:43 PM PST by jocon307
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To: AllAmericanGirl44; Armen Hareyan; B4Ranch; Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi; bayareablues; BykrBayb; ...
FYI. This story has been circulating the last few days.

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3 posted on 01/30/2014 9:53:51 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Here we go again....What KIND of Vitamin E?


4 posted on 01/30/2014 9:54:41 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Here we go again....What KIND of Vitamin E?


5 posted on 01/30/2014 9:54:41 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: jocon307

It is difficult to keep up with all the changing advice.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 9:55:05 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
this just continues a trend I've noticed all my life.

____________ is the new miracle food, eat/drink it and you will live forever.

fast forward 10-20 years...

eating/drinking _______________ will now kill you.

People... STOP chasing these fads! do EVERYTHING in moderation.

7 posted on 01/30/2014 9:55:06 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Suicide in “moderation?” Heroin in “moderation?” Just a thought...


8 posted on 01/30/2014 9:56:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: jocon307

Fear not ! Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius coming here soon, all of our supplements will soon be taken away.
The 1000 page Farm Bill will send us on our way,in the Senate now. Have to say , it is mostly R’s voting for it. The lobbying and omnibus bills must be stopped.
Period.


9 posted on 01/30/2014 9:57:23 PM PST by acapesket
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Recently, someone told me that eating lettuce and consuming calcium can cause gallstones. We. Just. Can’t. Win.


10 posted on 01/30/2014 9:58:47 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

My Mom is in her upper 70s and she still smokes, since a young adult.

She gets out of breath real easy but so far no cancer, still alive in home.

My dad gave up smoking at ~ 50 and died of heart attack at 60.


11 posted on 01/30/2014 9:59:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs

I know, I know...

I never smoked. Cancer at 46.

My mother smoked. Quit at 50. She’s 71 and never had cancer. I told her maybe I should’ve smoked. ;-)


12 posted on 01/30/2014 10:01:37 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Kind of interesting how a billion stories on nutritional supplements are bad for us are seemingly simultaneously piping up. It’s as though the groundwork is being laid to outlaw them


13 posted on 01/30/2014 10:05:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Tired of Taxes
In two letters, a period and a exclamation mark, “B.S!”
14 posted on 01/30/2014 10:08:50 PM PST by mazz44
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To: Jonty30

It does seem suspicious, doesn’t it?


15 posted on 01/30/2014 10:11:35 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: goodnesswins; All
If you want to learn the secret to long life....mash here....

The Ikarian way of living and dying

16 posted on 01/30/2014 10:15:36 PM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Tired of Taxes

True—until the next study is published. “Science is but an image of the truth.” Francis Bacon


17 posted on 01/30/2014 10:17:44 PM PST by Fungi
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To: Tired of Taxes

Recently, someone told me that eating lettuce and consuming calcium can cause gallstones. We. Just. Can’t. Win.”

Life, although it doesn’t cause death, sets us up for it...


18 posted on 01/30/2014 10:18:55 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Recently D, now E.


19 posted on 01/30/2014 10:21:46 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Fungi

but it’s science, the new religion. if the media says a scientist said it then we all little serfs must obey the gov sanctioned expert, the doctor, the scientist and the media.

actually no. I won’t believe anything they say nor will i do anything they say for me to do

and most scientists believe in the global warming hoax. gov science is garbage


20 posted on 01/30/2014 10:26:33 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Jonty30

yes


21 posted on 01/30/2014 10:27:11 PM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Tired of Taxes

For tomorrow.


22 posted on 01/30/2014 10:27:46 PM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Again, man inserts something besides normal daily nutrition on the advice that he “needs” more of it and the body responds by letting down its own natural guardians designed to afford the same “protection” as the food additive.

I bet that is true about a lot of food supplements. If it’s swimming abundently in the blood stream the body’s natural mechanisms for producing the same thing are probably triggered to make less, and there is more than likely some difference that science does not understand, in human metabolism, between the man made version, or that that is produced by normal nutrition and the natural processes of the body.

I know my father was a long time believer in food supplements, and he died before his 65th birthday of heart disease.


23 posted on 01/30/2014 10:29:27 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

That’s a good point. In reality, no matter what we do, maybe we really cannot escape our predestined fate.


24 posted on 01/30/2014 10:35:37 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

so big pharma and other ‘experts’ will use this to go after vitamins, yet govt lets cigarettes still be sold. still subsidizes tobacco.

just pointing out two-facedness, and the agenda against supplements.

idiots.


25 posted on 01/30/2014 10:42:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jocon307

Everything is poisonous, nothing is poisonous, it is all a matter of dose.”

— Claude Bernard, French physiologist


26 posted on 01/30/2014 10:44:08 PM PST by RC one
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To: Wuli

some forms of e are better than others. it may be the case they used an inferior form of vitamin e. if so it was probably deliberate to get these desired results so they can continue the smear against supplements.


27 posted on 01/30/2014 10:44:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

“It is difficult to keep up with all the changing advice.”

Yeah, and if you drink too much water it will kill you!


28 posted on 01/30/2014 10:59:00 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Tired of Taxes

“That’s a good point. In reality, no matter what we do, maybe we really cannot escape our predestined fate.”

Yes, your genetics probably have more to do with your longevity that what you eat or what supplements you take. But everything in moderation and avoiding stuff like smoking can usually help you live longer. The woman who is 115, smokes stogies and drinks all day is a point off the curve.


29 posted on 01/30/2014 11:05:07 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Secret Agent Man

I have a chart that resulted from the most extensive study of all the known research studies on nutrition supplements.

In spite people’s own beliefs that they “feel better” sometimes, there is little evidence to support the vast majority of them as supplements.

Eat good amounts of the kinds of foods that have good stuff for you, because the artifiicial way has been studied and found to be no “supplement” for basic good nutrition.

If you want I will post it again; or a link to it. It even has links to all the studies that were analyzed and for each study links for the data from them. It was the most exhaustive report on the subect I’d ever seen.


30 posted on 01/30/2014 11:06:10 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Tired of Taxes

Notice the sensational title of the article fails to mention the problem occurs in high risk individuals like smokers. He’ll, water probably kills smokers faster too.


31 posted on 01/30/2014 11:28:50 PM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Tired of Taxes

In my dads case, in spite of the fact that his dad died of heart disease, my father had some lifestyle attributes - life long smoker - if not cigarettes then pipes, if not pipes then cigars, some unhealthy diet preferences, and years of a lot of family stress he felt (providing for a large family on not fabulous incomes and career disappointments after a twenty-year plus military career) which did not serve him well.

All of us who were his kids took note of much of that, as adults, and those that once smoked have quit and everyone tries to treat our bodies well. We even have history on my mom’s side, and with her as well, with dying from heart disease, but other than some really mild hypertension some of us have in our “old age” there has been no real heart disease among us.

So we were not “destined” to inherit our parents and grandparents heart disease. We could make some choices to improve our chances in spite of some possible adverse inherited genetic factors (what a fluid dynamics expert who later became a heart doctor once called “bad plumbing”).


32 posted on 01/30/2014 11:29:00 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Tired of Taxes

Whenever I make my pilgrimage to Ybor City pick up a bundle of cigars, on the wrapping is a warning, “this product contains chemicals known to the state of CA to cause birth defects and reproductive harm”. Sooo if I’m ever in CA I’ll remember not to light up if there’s pregnant women around.


33 posted on 01/30/2014 11:53:27 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: vette6387
Yeah, and if you drink too much water it will kill you!
DiHydrogen Monoxide can be dangerous, even fatal in some cases.
34 posted on 01/30/2014 11:58:35 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Tired of Taxes; All
Natural vs. Synthetic Vitamin E

Natural Vitamin E – Vitamin E actually refers to 8 different fat soluble compounds and it acts as an antioxidant that protects fats from oxidation. The most biologically active form is found in grains, seeds, and the oils from grains and seeds.

Synthetic Vitamin E – The synthetic dl-alpha tocopherol is created using refined oils, trimethylhydroquinone, and isophytol. It is not as easily absorbed, doesn’t stay as long in tissues, and is quickly dispelled like a toxin or unknown chemical.

35 posted on 01/31/2014 2:36:12 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: Tired of Taxes

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/6/221/221ra15.abstract


36 posted on 01/31/2014 3:35:22 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: goodnesswins

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/6/221/221ra15.abstract


37 posted on 01/31/2014 3:35:33 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I eat a wide variety of foods, take a multi-vitamin a few times a week and try not to get an excessive amount of sun during the summer.

Many people say I look up to 20 years younger.


38 posted on 01/31/2014 5:14:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Wuli; Tired of Taxes

Then , hmmm - ConsumerReports does study finding ! (ick) *unmentionables* in health supplement pills.

What I recall hearing is about curcumin/turmeric,
and the pills found to be THE WORST offenders were the ORGANIC (marked) ones. ( well, guess the roach parts could be OG ~

[ ~ has me wondering what good/harm I have been doing to myself all this time taking the things . . .
? and how can one tell ?!


39 posted on 01/31/2014 5:33:41 AM PST by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: PraiseTheLord; All

I have been hearing more and more about the most disgusting things they are adding to our food AND to the feed of animals.

With NO REQUIREMENT to notify us of the additives. And still call the stuff OG.

Can we say the Gov/FDA gets bought off ~

So how can we know whether supplements are actually doing us any good ? How can any study have any basis in fact ?


40 posted on 01/31/2014 6:04:12 AM PST by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: Wuli

>>In spite people’s own beliefs that they “feel better” sometimes, <<

“Living” is how you feel, not how many breathes that you take per day. That’s what I call “existing”. If you feel good taking supplements, then do it. If you feel like crap why go on living?


41 posted on 01/31/2014 6:50:49 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: PraiseTheLord

What I recall hearing is about curcumin/turmeric is that they work against cancer cells. That’s why I take them every morning.


42 posted on 01/31/2014 6:54:18 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I don’t think us old folks are dying off fast enough to keep the Agenda 21 folks happy. We’re interfering with somebody’s plans. Live longer and piss ‘em off. Yeah!


43 posted on 01/31/2014 6:56:08 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Bull crap again


44 posted on 01/31/2014 6:59:08 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Tired of Taxes
The biggest tumor in Merika


45 posted on 01/31/2014 7:00:02 AM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: B4Ranch

Have you checked ConsumerReports, or PeoplesPharmacy, to see if your brand is ok, or not - ie, adulterated with unmentionables ?


46 posted on 01/31/2014 7:04:38 AM PST by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: savedbygrace

Thanks I read the abstract. Didn’t notice ANY mention of type of vitamin E


47 posted on 01/31/2014 7:04:59 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: savedbygrace

Thanks for posting the link to the study.


48 posted on 01/31/2014 7:27:49 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

Another study about the evils of vitamin supplements from big pharm? I’ll take my chances with vitamins before I’ll risk being killed or maimed by their poisons.


49 posted on 01/31/2014 7:31:32 AM PST by grania
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To: PraiseTheLord

My wife grinds the powder and I fill the capsules.


50 posted on 01/31/2014 7:51:38 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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