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The dirty little secret on Sage Grouse ( Montana and )
Clark Fork Valley Press ^ | January 29, 2014 | Schwaderer

Posted on 01/30/2014 9:56:26 PM PST by george76

It’s no coincidence that sage grouse habitat also happens to intersect both the largest untapped coal deposits in the country as well as large parts of the Bakken oil field. It’s clear the primary motivation to focus on sage grouse for ESA listing is to provide yet another tool for special interest groups to block energy development. And in this obstructionist toolbox, there’s no heavier sledgehammer than the Endangered Species Act.

What an interesting irony, then, that so much effort is going into “protecting” one bird from energy development, when the Obama administration is turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of other birds being killed by wind energy turbines each year- including protected birds like bald eagles.

Recent research puts the annual butcher’s bill by wind farms at 573,000 birds. Included in that number are 83,000 hunting birds, like eagles and hawks.

Most bird deaths are violations of the ESA, the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act, or other protective acts. Indeed, there are examples of the Obama administration prosecuting power companies for birds killed by power lines and oil companies for birds that drown in waste pits. But to date, not a single wind energy company has been prosecuted for bird deaths.

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the Obama administration has been granting renewable energy companies “take” permits that allows them to kill bald eagles with impunity for up to five years. On December 6, the Interior Department announced they were extending the length of those permits for up to 30 years.

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Let’s be honest about what’s driving this process—a political agenda that cares much more about putting shackles on energy development than it does about protecting birds.

(Excerpt) Read more at vp-mi.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: New Mexico; US: North Dakota; US: Oregon; US: South Dakota; US: Texas; US: Utah; US: Washington; US: Wisconsin; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; bakkenoil; baldeagles; coal; energy; esa; farming; fishing; gas; grouse; migratorybird; oil; ranching; sagegrouse; un21; waroncoal

1 posted on 01/30/2014 9:56:26 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Don’t get me wrong... I love birds. I like watching them, I even put out bird seed for them. However I also love eating them, at least those that have enough meat on their scrawny little bones to make their cooking worthwhile.


2 posted on 01/30/2014 10:12:54 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: george76

"Look at the grouse."

3 posted on 01/30/2014 10:19:20 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: george76

There is an occasional bird in a waste pit, though most pits I see have screens over them.

But oil fields are in effect large wildlife sanctuaries. There is work going on, but only in specific locations. The rest of the area is unmolested, and all kinds of wildlife make their homes there.

Of course, much of the ESA is in my opinion fraudulent. I had some dealings with a supposedly endangered rat that some years is so abundant you can’t drive down the road without them popping under your tires. I’ve seen supposedly endangered kit foxes living in town. ESA is just as the writer says, a legal tool for obstructing energy development.

In the end, the enviros are doing OPEC’s bidding. They’ll go around the world going into court in multiple countries trying to shut down energy projects in any and every country on earth except the ones in OPEC countries. Somehow, OPEC projects do not harm to Mother Nature, only the ones in non-OPEC countries. To shut them down they’ll organize tribal uprisings, go after European banks to shut off funding, whatever it takes where ever it takes. But never against OPEC.


4 posted on 01/30/2014 10:21:51 PM PST by marron
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To: babygene

Chicken farmers could breed millions of sage grouse if the bird was really endangered.

The issue is not the sage grouse , rather they hate self sufficient / middle class farmers, ranchers, commercial fishermen, loggers ... and energy producers.


5 posted on 01/30/2014 10:46:26 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: marron

Muslims are worried about the growing US domestic energy production.


6 posted on 01/30/2014 10:50:16 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Sage grouse, the other white meat.

Frack it with BBQ sauce. Tasty, filling, it’s Miller time.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 1:09:30 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: george76

While it’s not that easy but it can be done. Years ago I decided I wanted to stock some Chukars on the ranch and bought 100 breeding pairs and released them in groups of 10. Within just a few weeks they were all dead due to predators, since they were pen raised they didn’t know what a fox, bobcat, coyote or a hawk was. I built some large flight pens by the ranch house and brought in another 100 pair. I keep the varmint population pretty slim around the ranch house except for some barn cat’s. After they nested and the young were able to fly I started letting out a few at a time. Yes the cat’s got a few as well as the hawk’s but the others were able to see what happen since they stayed close to the pens. Within a month they started moving away from the ranch house and I kept releasing until they were all out. That was about 12 years ago and we now have a thriving population of chukars that have expande several miles away from the house and growing. The big ranch is 32 square miles and we do not allow any hunting other than family so they were off limits and safe. I’m seeing covey’s of 25 and 30 birds 3 and 4 miles away from the house now. So it can be done but it takes a little more than just releasing pen raised birds.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 3:37:04 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
The big ranch is 32 square miles

"Never ask a man if he’s from Texas. If he is, he’ll tell you. If he isn’t, don’t embarrass him.”

9 posted on 01/31/2014 4:51:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Reminds me of the “Karner Blue Butterfly” which are supposed to be and endangered species here in Wisconsin. That controversy stopped numerous projects from moving forward as the environmentalist had a field day promoting their cause and still do today.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 6:24:22 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: george76; SJackson

outdoors ping


11 posted on 01/31/2014 7:47:49 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: george76

The dirty little secret on Sage Grouse.....

they taste like chicken!


12 posted on 02/01/2014 5:09:14 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: george76
The real dirty secret is that there were far more of these birds when there were more cows. Sage grouse does not live by sage alone. The bird needs soil disturbance to create niches for the grasses and forbs that supply its food. Cows supply that disturbance and also fertilize the grasses and plant the seed with their hooves. Sage grouse are also getting their nests hammered by crows.

This is a problem that will respond to management. Therefore the government's prescription will be "no management."

13 posted on 02/01/2014 8:09:25 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: george76

It needs to be renamed the Saudi Arabian grouse or perhaps the Wahabbist Funding grouse.


14 posted on 02/01/2014 1:08:13 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Progov

This is the entire problem with the ESA. A species is so arbitrarily defined. Worse, there’s no evidence that species extinction harms the environment.


15 posted on 02/01/2014 1:11:09 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Carry_Okie

Government causes net harm to the environment and so more of it just means more harm. We need to transfer federal lands to state management...and then into private hands.


16 posted on 02/01/2014 1:13:06 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Government causes net harm to the environment and so more of it just means more harm. We need to transfer federal lands to state management...and then into private hands.

There is a more direct route: Privatization by management contract.

17 posted on 02/01/2014 1:52:02 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: george76
But to date, not a single wind energy company has been prosecuted for bird deaths.

The winds of change are blowing.

18 posted on 02/01/2014 2:42:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: george76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3mgmEdfwg


19 posted on 02/01/2014 2:47:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1010RD

good one!


20 posted on 02/01/2014 2:49:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Carry_Okie

Yes, I know about that, but I just don’t like the Feds owning all this land. It becomes a hot potato for cronyism and corruption of the process. America is designed as a continent-wide free trade zone.

Have you read this guy ever?: http://www.coyoteblog.com/

He does just what you suggest, but left California. They killed his business.


21 posted on 02/01/2014 4:05:42 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Yes, I know about that, but I just don’t like the Feds owning all this land. It becomes a hot potato for cronyism and corruption of the process.

Seeing as I published a book on that very topic 13 years ago, one would think I knew that.

I don't want the States owning it either. State offals are if anything easier to buy than are the Feds. Control is effective ownership. I think we can get more land into de facto private ownership more quickly by fracturing the Federal estate through use and management contracts than we can by turning it over to the States and then trying to do the same thing. The Feds have so many financial levers they exert upon the States that I really don't think you'll see that much of a substantive change under State "control."

America is designed as a continent-wide free trade zone.

Which did more to destroy Federalism than an army ever could. I'm more of a fan of natural law competition allowing the States to learn about the fruits of protectionism the hard way.

Have you read this guy ever?: http://www.coyoteblog.com/

No. Looked at his page. Don't need to. I'm way ahead of him. Ever read my patent? It gives me standing with which to establish such a market free of Federal controls. The key is the citation to "market failure" found in most environmental laws as the nexus of a public claim to usurp powers in the name of public health and safety.

He does just what you suggest, but left California. They killed his business.

I doubt seriously he was doing what I suggest because he would have to abide by dysfunctional laws, regulations, and bureaucratic whims. Nor do I believe you under 'what I suggest' as you haven't read my book. Still, do I know people personally who are doing very well in private management of public land, including in California.

22 posted on 02/01/2014 10:46:36 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I doubt seriously he was doing what I suggest because he would have to abide by

dysfunctional laws,

regulations, and

bureaucratic whims.

Like taking away children's lunches in Salt Lake City???

23 posted on 02/02/2014 4:26:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1010RD

The Feds control about 87% of the land in Nevada & they control about 84% in Utah.


24 posted on 02/02/2014 6:38:20 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

The federal government shouldn’t control land long-term. Dispose of it either via open auction or by giving it to the states.


25 posted on 02/03/2014 7:04:31 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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